12 Senators Don't Want to Sign anti-lynching resolutio

[No Limit]

Reported on AmericaBlog:

http://americablog.blogspot.com /

Over a dozen US Senators refuse to sign on to anti-lynching resolution
by John in DC - 6/13/2005 06:57:00 PM

I just heard this on ABC News. They're apparently holding the vote late tonight so they won't have to have a real roll-call vote (i.e., individual Senators won't have to vote up or down). The reason? So they can hide the 12 or so Senators who apparently think it's bad politics back home to sign onto a resolution that apologizes for not passing anti-lynching legislation sooner. Apparently, southern Senators fillibustered efforts to pass such legislation for years.

Personally I could careless who these 12 are; Republican or Democrat. This is sick.

 

[CptStern]

ya that was the problem back then ...I guess little has changed in some jurisdictions

 

[MjM]

I hope we find out who these people are.

So they can be lynched ... just kidding.

 

[Icarusintel]

If I was a senator I wouldn't sign it, no matter whether i was Dem or GOP, it's too little too late, and its ridiculous to do it now

 

[Feath]

Hmm, you're calling them sick and you're wondering why they are having the vote in secret?

There could be many different reasons why these Senators didn't want to vote for it. To call them sick is just silly. Senators should not be scared to vote the way they want to. Or the way the people they represent feel.

 

[CptStern]

senators have a duty to their constitutants but in the spirit of those they would represent they have a duty to unhold the constitution. A grave injustice has been committed against 4,743 americans, some measure of justice must be meted out however small that token may be

 

[No Limit]

Hmm, you're calling them sick and you're wondering why they are having the vote in secret?

Nothing like this in government should be held in the first place, especially not in secret; the fact you seem to support it disgusts me. This law was one of the great injustices of our time and though it might be too little too late these families of the people affected need an apology from our government. Some senators trying to hide from having to apologize for this for their own political gain is absoultely sickening and I can't believe anyone in their right mind would support an action like that.

Whats even worse is the fact that there are states in this country that still support this. And yes, I have a gut feeling that most of the senators doing this are from red states.

 

[No Limit]

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:SE00039:@@@N

This is the list of Senators who signed on as co-sponsors yesterday, bringing the total to 78:

Sen Max Baucus D-MT
Sen Christopher Bond R-MO
Sen Jim Bunning R-KY
Sen Conrad Burns R-MT
Sen Lincoln Chafee R-RI
Sen Saxby Chambliss R-GA
Sen Mike DeWine R-OH
Sen Elizabeth Dole R-NC
Sen Johnny Isakson R-GA
Sen James Inhofe R-OK
Sen Mel Martinez R- FL
Sen Mitch McConnell, R-KY
Sen Pat Roberts R-KS
Sen John Rockefeller D-WV
Sen Jeff Sessions R-AL
Sen John Thune R-SD
Sen John Warner R-WA
Sen Ron Wyden R-OR

Who's still missing? And, more importantly, WHY?

http://americablog.blogspot.com/

 

[Feath]

This isn't a "Bring justice thing" this is an apology thing. I do believe that they have the right to say "I don't think we should apologise". That's what's in the constitution. They aren't saying that it's right to lynch people. They just don't think they should say sorry. If they don't want to support this resolution, then so be it. They shouldn't be judged so harshly, or hounded for their viewpoints. What's the point of voting if they aren't allowed to vote against something?

 

[CptStern]

shouldnt say sorry? that's the least they could do for not creating legislation that would have saved countless lives ..this is not a trade agreement, or a partisan issue ..it's about making amends for past misdeeds

 

[No Limit]

This isn't a "Bring justice thing" this is an apology thing. I do believe that they have the right to say "I don't think we should apologise". That's what's in the constitution. They aren't saying that it's right to lynch people. They just don't think they should say sorry. If they don't want to support this resolution, then so be it. They shouldn't be judged so harshly, or hounded for their viewpoints. What's the point of voting if they aren't allowed to vote against something?

You are right, pandering to your racist base is perfectly okay. And the point is they are not voting; they want to avoid a vote so they don't have to sign on to this. If they voted there would be no problem; we would then all see what kind of racists these bastards are and we would be able to tell them that in elections.

 

[Lemonking]

stop calling everyone a racist dude

 

[No Limit]

stop calling everyone a racist dude

Anyone that doesn't support this bill is a total ****ing racist. Sorry if this isn't politically correct but it is 100% true.

 

[No Limit]

Here they are

http://dailykos.com/

Here are the 20 Senators who 1) refused to co-sponsor the anti-lynching resolution passed yesterday, and 2) refused a roll-call vote so they'd have to put their name on the resolution.

Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
Robert Bennett (R-UT)
Christopher Bond (R-MO)
Jim Bunning (R-KY)
Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Kent Conrad (D-ND)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Michael Crapo (R-ID)
Michael Enzi (R-WY)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA)
Judd Gregg (R-NH)
Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Trent Lott (R-MS)
Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
Richard Shelby (R-AL)
John Sununu (R-NH)
Craig Thomas (R-WY)
George Voinovich (R-OH)

19 Republicans and 1 Democrat, a real wall of shame.

 

[CptStern]

I wonder what they could possibly say to justify their decision

 

[No Limit]

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Kent_Conrad.htm

Kent Conrad shouldn't even be calling himself a democrat. Bastard. I though all democrats were better than this; I now know only 99.9% of them are.

 

[CptStern]

holy shit that guy flip flops a lot:


Voted YES on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)

Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms. (May 1994)

 

[No Limit]

holy shit that guy flip flops a lot:


Voted YES on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)

Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms. (May 1994)

Screw it, I am willing to admit a horrible democrat when I see one; hopefully our republican friends will be able to do the same with their camp.

Also, I just noticed a weird coincidence. Most of those senators are in 1 certain part of this country; can you guess which?

 

[CptStern]

true blue freedom loving north? ...or could it be that satan-red area referred to by some as "the deep south" <cue sound of banjo picking>

 

[Lemonking]

Anyone that doesn't support this bill is a total ****ing racist. Sorry if this isn't politically correct but it is 100% true.

No your are a Human sized **** that doesnt accept peoples opinoins :sniper:

 

[CptStern]

this has nothing to do with opinions lemonking but rather justice ...I think he's calling them racist because almost all the people lynched were minorities (75% were black)

 

[No Limit]

No your are a Human sized **** that doesnt accept peoples opinoins :sniper:

Look at the list I posted; almost every single senator is from the south. Why are they not signing this? I know the answer but you seem to have a different one; please, enlighten me.

 

[Lemonking]

of course everyone is racist from the south sure....

 

[CptStern]

that's not his point

 

[No Limit]

of course everyone is racist from the south sure....

Do you have that much trouble seeing my point? Tell me why they aren't signing on to this.

 

[Icarusintel]

Do you have that much trouble seeing my point? Tell me why they aren't signing on to this.

dunno, why don;t you ask them since you seem to know the answer, maybe they have very good reasons that happen to not be racially motivated
maybe they realize this whole thing is ridiculous

 

[No Limit]

dunno, why don;t you ask them since you seem to know the answer, maybe they have very good reasons that happen to not be racially motivated
maybe they realize this whole thing is ridiculous

Or maybe they just happen to realize that as Republicans from the south if they sign on to this they will not win another election because they have to do what their racist base wants them to do? Tell me, why don't they just do a up and down vote on it if they think its ridiculous?

Why do people become apologists (like you are trying to do) for the biggest assholes in our society?

 

[willyd]

I weep for all the ignorant yankees who think everyone from the south is racist.

Just because I am from the south:
It doesnt mean im christian.
It doesnt mean im racist.
It doesnt mean im conservative.
It doesnt mean i voted for bush.
The only thing it means is that I say yall a lot.

 

[Icarusintel]

Why do people become apologists (like you are trying to do) for the biggest assholes in our society?

apologist? or maybe i just actually look at an issue from more than one side, you know there are such things as shades of gray
personally i don;t care for many senators, but i find this thing to be bullshit myself, and maybe they have the same view, and if so, good for them

 

[No Limit]

apologist? or maybe i just actually look at an issue from more than one side, you know there are such things as shades of gray
personally i don;t care for many senators, but i find this thing to be bullshit myself, and maybe they have the same view, and if so, good for them

Listen, you are ignoring what I am telling you. Why wont they simply do an up or down vote and have it on the record they though it was bullshit. If they did this I would have no problem; I would think they are wrong but I wouldn't say they are pandering to the racist part of their party which is exactly what they are doing when they refuse to have an up or down vote on this.

 

[No Limit]

I weep for all the ignorant yankees who think everyone from the south is racist.

Show me where I said everyone in the south is racist? I live in New Mexico; pretty damn close to the south. You are quick to jump on me for applying race to something but in the process completely ignore what I say.

 

[willyd]

Show me where I said everyone in the south is racist? I live in New Mexico; pretty damn close to the south. You are quick to jump on me for applying race to something but in the process completely ignore what I say.

"The south in the US does have a lot of racists..." -No Limit




Okay this is kind of a joke, because i took you way out of context. I dont feel like arguing today. But, you did say it.

 

[Icarusintel]

Listen, you are ignoring what I am telling you. Why wont they simply do an up or down vote and have it on the record they though it was bullshit. If they did this I would have no problem; I would think they are wrong but I wouldn't say they are pandering to the racist part of their party which is exactly what they are doing when they refuse to have an up or down vote on this.

alright, well, i can agree with you on them giving their reasons for not voting on it, i;d personally like to hear them, and they should inform the people who put them in office of what they're doing and why
but this whole racist thing really simplifies something complex

 

[No Limit]

alright, well, i can agree with you on them giving their reasons for not voting on it, i;d personally like to hear them, and they should inform the people who put them in office of what they're doing and why
but this whole racist thing really simplifies something complex

It simplifies it, well maybe. But the fact is it has everything to do with racial tensions in the south. Lets face it, the south has a lot more racist red necks than any other part of the country and the simple fact is that these idiots mostly vote republican. This absolutely does not mean that all republicans or all people in the south are racists. But what those senators are doing is refusing to be on the record on if they support this bill or not and why. The reason for that is they know they will lose a lot of racists that vote for them if they support it and if they don't support it then they know they will lose a lot of other voters and destroy their image. But the fact they wont stand up for what is right because of politics is sickening. And yes, I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they do think lynching was horrible; but that doesn't excuse the fact they wont come out and say it to make their racist base happy.

 

[Icarusintel]

racism is here to stay (and not just in the south, racism exists everywhere, all over the globe, it's a simple fact), and if they want to stay in office they need to cater to their voters, that's the way politics has always worked, you can;t just up and change things overnight

 

[Pesmerga]

What's the point of voting if they aren't allowed to vote against something?

True, but that doesn't mean we can't be pissed at them for making such an unpopular decision.