2nd amendment in action: 4 yr old dies after he hides behind paper target

short recoil said:
Now i would accept banning of guns, if the government and army banned guns for itself as well.
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well, then the whole world would have to ban guns, because of the fear of forien invadors

i'm saying that being pro-gun on the bases that you have to protect your freedom from the gov. is bougis because the gov. got much bigger guns,

do you know what i'm trying to say?
 
iyfyoufhl said:
well, then the whole world would have to ban guns, because of the fear of forien invadors

i'm saying that being pro-gun on the bases that you have to protect your freedom from the gov. is bougis because the gov. got much bigger guns,

do you know what i'm trying to say?
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Give up and accept what you are given?

Nah, i'm not up for that, it is very much against my principles and nature.
 
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Give up and accept what you are given?

Nah, i'm not up for that, it is very much against my principles and nature.
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no, but you do have to accept the fact that if US goverment wanted to take away your rights forcfully, there is nothing you could do (force and gun power wise)
 
iyfyoufhl said:
no, but you do have to accept the fact that if US goverment wanted to take away your rights forcfully, there is nothing you could do (force and gun power wise)
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What a great sense of false freedom and a wonderful life i will live.
Work for the rest of my life to pay of the mortgage and do what i am supposed to do like watch tv or go out drinking with mates, as long as i don't interupt government i'll be fine!

Man, i can't even dissapear, whever i go i'd have to put up with shit.
 
I like how they say "fatally wounded". I was nonfatally killed!! omg!
 
short recoil said:
What a great sense of false freedom and a wonderful life i will live.
Work for the rest of my life to pay of the mortgage and do what i am supposed to do like watch tv or go out drinking with mates, as long as i don't interupt government i'll be fine!

Man, i can't even dissapear, whever i go i'd have to put up with shit.
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that's exactly the world you are living in, illusion of freedom
do you hear about that proffesor from Colorado, he spoke agaist gov. and he got fired
 
iyfyoufhl said:
i wounder what's the murder rate ratio of China to US
shadow6899 said:
no clue, but china is alot different then america... right?
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Yeah, they're Communist. :|





I kid, I kid. ;)

But on the topic of the shooting, I do think that it's time to put more restrictions on firearms in the States. Realistically you're never going to ban them, but we need something in place to prevent these things from continuing. I know these are accidents, but 253 children in a 10-year period!? There have been arguments that people are dying in car crashes and drug overdoses, so why don't they try banning those things too? Cars are for transportation, drugs are for pleasure, but guns are designed for only one purpose: to KILL.
 
A True Canadian said:
There have been arguments that people are dying in car crashes and drug overdoses, so why don't they try banning those things too? Cars are for transportation, drugs are for pleasure, but guns are designed for only one purpose: to KILL.
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you are very cleaver to point of this great point, i'm not being sarcastic either
 
Shooting skeet isn't to kill. They are also used for entertainment. If people would actually use caution, and actually use proper safety, the death of gun-inflicted deaths would plummit. It's not the guns fault that the parents of that 4-year old weren't watching him. It's the parents fault for not checking the range before fireing.
 
A True Canadian said:
Yeah, they're Communist. :|





I kid, I kid. ;)

But on the topic of the shooting, I do think that it's time to put more restrictions on firearms in the States. Realistically you're never going to ban them, but we need something in place to prevent these things from continuing. I know these are accidents, but 253 children in a 10-year period!? There have been arguments that people are dying in car crashes and drug overdoses, so why don't they try banning those things too? Cars are for transportation, drugs are for pleasure, but guns are designed for only one purpose: to KILL.
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Guns are for pleasure too, just like drugs are.
 
*Snifffffffff*
"....Ahhh...."
"Damn, that was some good M-60 right der John"
"Sho was Cledus, Sho was..."
:) Jk
 
Many of you speak about the futility of resisting against the govt. Why? The have bigger guns, yes, but if you fought a gurilla (sp?) war "like the insurgents," it is quite possible to at least force a peace, if not win. The question "What can a handgun do against a tank?" is simply answered "Nothing." But what can the user of the 9mm do against a tank? It is entirly up to user ability. Suprisingly enough there a numerous things you could do with the 9mm to capture the tank and even more to destroy it.


On topic. I agree with most of the posters here that it was the parents fualt and not the guns. I belive that you have a "set" time to die and when that time comes, there is nothing you can do. However, parent stupidity is also to blame.

CptStern what they were doing was illegal, you are not supposed to shoot guns on private property with a few exceptions.
 
Foxtrot said:
Guns are for pleasure too, just like drugs are.
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Firing a weapon may give the user pleasure, but very few people fire a weapon without intent to harm. Why else would they use a gun in the first place? :D

The thread scenario is perhaps the only exception to that: Target practice. But even then I feel that action should be done at a firing range. Unless you're a licensed hunter or officer of the law there is no reason that people should be firing weapons outside of a range.

Let's use a sports analogy for this. Golf is probably the best example. For comparison's sake let's say that the clubs are the equivalent to the gun, and the golf balls the equivalent to the bullets. The clubs are used to knock the balls to their intended target just like the gun fires bullets to targets of their own. Now other than the golf course, where else can you play golf? Nowhere. To play golf, you must visit the golf course. This logic should be applied to owners of firearms as well. You want to shoot a weapon? Visit the Firing Range.

:)
 
A True Canadian said:
Firing a weapon may give the user pleasure, but very few people fire a weapon without intent to harm. Why else would they use a gun in the first place? :D



:)
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WTFH? I have fired a gun many times, and I have never once intended to harm anyone or anything. I also know many people who have fired guns many times, and they have never intended to harm anyone.
 
A True Canadian said:
Firing a weapon may give the user pleasure, but very few people fire a weapon without intent to harm. Why else would they use a gun in the first place? :D
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Boredom, Gun Collector, Gun fanatic, likes to shoot for pleasure. I do it. Alot of people I know collect guns much the same way people collect Base-ball cards. Only about 30% of the time do people shoot to harm.
 
CptStern said:
A 4-year-old boy may have been hiding when he was killed in a weekend target shooting accident at Lake Vermilion, a relative said Monday.

The group was engaged in target practice when a 40-year-old friend of the family shot a 45-caliber handgun at a paper target about 30 feet away.

Unknown to the group, Evan, wearing camouflage pants, had slipped behind the target and was fatally wounded.

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whatever happened to wholesome family trips to the zoo?
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You've been an advocate against wholesome family values and fun, so its kind of funny hearing you say something like that. I'm against guns, just like any liberal, but you saying something like that? Sorry, I just can't help but laugh.

EDIT: Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case, thats fine. Because we all know you're against family values and good clean fun.
 
shadow6899 said:
and i can play golf at my house if i wanna, pfft.
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Pfft, that's not golf (unless you actually built an 18 hole course, in that case I envy you :E).

Dag said:
Boredom, Gun Collector, Gun fanatic, likes to shoot for pleasure. I do it. Alot of people I know collect guns much the same way people collect Base-ball cards. Only about 30% of the time do people shoot to harm.
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Fair enough. That was a poor estimation on my part. It likely is closer to 30%.

Foxtrot said:
WTFH? I have fired a gun many times, and I have never once intended to harm anyone or anything. I also know many people who have fired guns many times, and they have never intended to harm anyone.
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Yes, I doubt those who fire the weapons for sport do so with the intentions to harm. But just for curiosity, what do you shoot at? Is the old cans-on-the-fence? A tree? Forgive my ignorance, I'm just used to people going north to hunt moose and such.
 
The_Monkey said:
Yet, if guns were banned this 4 year old would've lived.
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No, no. You see, the problem is that the 4 year old DIDN'T HAVE A GUN! He should've had a gun so that he could protect himself. Duh.
 
falconwind said:
No, no. You see, the problem is that the 4 year old DIDN'T HAVE A GUN! He should've had a gun so that he could protect himself. Duh.
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a kevlar vest would be better. with those ceramic plates on.
 
Raziaar said:
You've been an advocate against wholesome family values and fun, so its kind of funny hearing you say something like that. I'm against guns, just like any liberal, but you saying something like that? Sorry, I just can't help but laugh.

EDIT: Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case, thats fine. Because we all know you're against family values and good clean fun.
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? ...what are you referring to? the family trip to the zoo?
 
Dag said:
Boredom, Gun Collector, Gun fanatic, likes to shoot for pleasure. I do it. Alot of people I know collect guns much the same way people collect Base-ball cards. Only about 30% of the time do people shoot to harm.
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so in other words; for every 10 times you fire your gun only 3 out of those 10 are at real people? ...out of necessity I persume?
 
CptStern said:
so in other words; for every 10 times you fire your gun only 3 out of those 10 are at real people? ...out of necessity I persume?
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I thought he ment that out of every 100 gun owners in American, only 30 of them buy their guns for purposes to inflict harm/death on another human being, mainly to do with self defence and defending your home from intruders. Whilst the other 70 use it as merely a collectors item, sports item or hunting.
 
Razor said:
I thought he ment that out of every 100 gun owners in American, only 30 of them buy their guns for purposes to inflict harm/death on another human being, mainly to do with self defence and defending your home from intruders. Whilst the other 70 use it as merely a collectors item, sports item or hunting.
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if that's the case then it really throws doubt over that whole "we need guns to defend ourselves" justification ....... :eek:
 
Not wanting to be pro or anti gun, but I really think that the parents of the boy that died should be charged with negligence. And the person who pulled the trigger should be charged with involuntary manslaughter.

They ignored all of the rules of gun control.

Rule #1-Every gun is always loaded. Even if it's not.
Rule #2-Always know where your bullet is going and what's behind your intended target.
Rule #3-Never point a gun at anyone unless you mean to kill them. Because there's a really good chance you will.

What sort of idiot takes guns to a family outing and then DOESN'T CHECK WHERE ALL OF THE CHILDREN ARE BEFORE STARTING TO SHOOT?

Seriously, there should be some genuine jailtime for the negligent morons who are responsible for a 4 year old being dead.
 
shadow6899 said:
i have to disagree w/ u ify, the gov't cant just overpower us. First of all theirs more of us then their is of them, second of all do u really think every single soldier would follow the orders of killing it's own country-men? i think not... which would mean we would start getting trained soldiers in a rebellion situation. And all we'd have to do is capture a weapons cache and we'd have the same weaponry that the army does. How do u think the terroists are standing up to our gov't?
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so are you suggesting that we should make heaviy weaponary legal as well? cannons and rocks and shit
 
I didn't read the whole thread since I am at work so I apologize if this was mentioned. Stern, do you not put any blame on the idiotic parents that allowed a four year old in the shooting range?
 
Yeah, I don't think this one has anything to do with gun legislation either. This is just a very tragic accident. They could just as easily been practicing with a bow and arrow, since its mostly just due to poor safety practices, not the weapon.
 
Direwolf said:
Yeah, I don't think this one has anything to do with gun legislation either. This is just a very tragic accident. They could just as easily been practicing with a bow and arrow, since its mostly just due to poor safety practices, not the weapon.
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again, if there were no gun present little kid wouldn't get shot, getting a gun is like setting yourself up for a nasty accident
 
shadow6899 said:
But the point is that coulda happened w/ any weapon, gun or not. It happened b/c of neglegant (sp?) parents, nothing more or less. You cannot expect people to give up their weapons, it just wont happen. Weapons have been around since the dawn of time!
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true, but guns are designed to kill so they have more potential

yes, we did have weapons long time now, but i think we are growing up and shuld start slowly getting rid of them, we don't need them (i think in theory)
 
No Limit said:
I didn't read the whole thread since I am at work so I apologize if this was mentioned. Stern, do you not put any blame on the idiotic parents that allowed a four year old in the shooting range?
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of course I do ...I'm the first to advocate that they shouldnt be parents in the first place ...but had they taken the gun out of the equation in the first place this wouldnt have happened
 
shadow6899 said:
i think we'll always need weapons... b/c their will always be evil in the world. U will never ever have totally no crim anywhere period... it's just not possible, mainly due to human nature... and physics :/ for every positive theirs a negative.
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u are the first pot/phishhead who is pro-gun that i've met, but anyway, i guess thats' where we are different (dejavu)
 
CptStern said:
of course I do ...I'm the first to advocate that they shouldnt be parents in the first place ...but had they taken the gun out of the equation in the first place this wouldnt have happened
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If they are that wreckless with a gun they would be just as wreckless with anything else that could cause damage to that child. I won't compare this to the classic "if a parent doesn't strap a baby in a car seat and the baby dies cars should be outlawed" as yes, a gun is made to be a deadly weapon and a car is not but we have to look at who is actually to blame; obivously the parents. When you get a gun you should be put through vigirous safety training, something we currently do not have but need. But you can't outlaw all guns based on the fact that some people are complete idiots. Obviously 99.9% of legal gun owners use guns for legal purposes, let me know if you disagree. Accidents that are caused when a gun is used legally but not properly as in this case boil down to safety and I am all for tighter laws that require a lot more training and much tougher penalites if a gun is used improperly; but outlawing guns and only allowing criminals to carry them is hardly the solution.
 
CptStern said:
I dont get it ...what are you trying to say here?
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I just thought it incredibly out of character for you to say something along the lines of 'whatever happened to wholesome family fun'. Cause you've never been for this stuff, at least not based on many of your posts in the past.
 
No Limit said:
If they are that wreckless with a gun they would be just as wreckless with anything else that could cause damage to that child. I won't compare this to the classic "if a parent doesn't strap a baby in a car seat and the baby dies cars should be outlawed" as yes, a gun is made to be a deadly weapon and a car is not but we have to look at who is actually to blame; obivously the parents. When you get a gun you should be put through vigirous safety training, something we currently do not have but need. But you can't outlaw all guns based on the fact that some people are complete idiots. Obviously 99.9% of legal gun owners use guns for legal purposes, let me know if you disagree. Accidents that are caused when a gun is used legally but not properly as in this case boil down to safety and I am all for tighter laws that require a lot more training and much tougher penalites if a gun is used improperly; but outlawing guns and only allowing criminals to carry them is hardly the solution.
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yes, obviosly the parent, that why i don't trust the gov. selling weapons to anybody(within reasonable limits), people are dumb and no one should be trusted with a gun
 
iyfyoufhl said:
yes, obviosly the parent, that why i don't trust the gov. selling weapons to anybody(within reasonable limits), people are dumb and no one should be trusted with a gun
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Some people have to be trusted with guns, to protect your country and keep it in order.

All my point is that there should be less seperation of people and state, otherwise you end up with a system where the people are oppressed.
Better to get it right in the first place rather than having thousands die in uprisings.

There are some people that cannot be trusted with guns, others that should be to keep soceity running smoothly in balance.
 
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Some people have to be trusted with guns, to protect your country and keep it in order.
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some people like police and millitary
 
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