4 mx 440 se to fx 5200

[Naft]

well, basically my friend just got a 9800 pro and is willing to sell me his old fx 5200. i decided for several reasons to pay him $60 for it. 1. im satisfied with its condition--i know him well and how he treats his stuff and that if i have any problems, i can thrash him(ok not really, but sure) 2. im selling my mx 440 to another friend for $40(he doesnt even have a vid card), so im really only paying $20 to upgrade from a 64 mx to a 128 5200

just figured id run it by you guys here to see what you think...im getting it wednesday.

and dont tell me to buy any other card, cause all the money i have and am getting is going to a bigger amp and a flying v guitar.

 

[Shuzer]

http://buycyberpc.com/genvgefx12dd1.html

The card retails BRAND NEW for less than $60. Think you should reconsider the price, especially since the FX5200 is such a low-end card. I'd offer no more than $30 (and that alone is a stretch)

Also, it's kinda mean to screw your friend over like that oh well, either way, don't pay $60 for a used card you can get new for $54

 

[Naft]

but is that the 64 bit or 128 bit version? and what's the clock speed? anyway, that is plainly labeled generic, i'd rather have a used Asus fx 5200 for $60 than a generic one that doesnt even support dx9 or opengl 1.4 for $54 plus S&H.

the exact version of the mx440 i have still retails for $60-70.

 

[crabcakes66]

the fx 5200 might as well not support dx9 or opengl 1.4


it does not have the mucsle to run either with playable FPS @ 1024x768

(even if the FX series did better with DX9....that card is still to slow to take advantage of it.)

 

[Naft]

GPU- NVIDIA® GeForce FX 5200
128-bit, studio-precision color
DirectX 9 and OpenGL1.4 support

and it definetly has larger bandwidth, capacity, and faster speeds than an mx 440, which is comprable to a high level 3 ti.

one thing that makes a significant difference in the world of GPUs is not only the developer of the technology used(ie, nvidia, Ati, etc) but the manufacturer. you will find vast performance differences between cards manufactured by say, asus or abit, and cards produced by lower end manufacturers. the technology drives the card, but the manufacturer determines the hardware that determines the performance capabilities of that card. i would bet money that my current mx 440 would outperform that fx 5200 in all aspects except memory capacity.

btw the mx i have is a gainward, which produced one of the best mx 440s

 

[crabcakes66]

.....

Im well aware that it "supports" DX9 and ogl 1.4.

Thats not what i said.


and you are 100% wrong about there being a big differance in brand......

a referance 5200 is a referance 5200.....regardless of who's name is on it.

differances are usaully measured in fractions of a frame per second.

 

[mrchimp]

and it definetly has larger bandwidth, capacity, and faster speeds than an mx 440, which is comprable to a high level 3 ti.

no no no no no... no

a Geforce 3 is faster than a mx, I know I'v had a mx. You will be better off getting a Geforce4 Ti, it doesn't support DX9 but it will be shit loads faster and like crab said the FX 5200 isn't fast enough to use DX9 infact none of the FX's are there all shit. DON'T ****ING BUY A FX, I WOULDN'T ACCEPT ONE FOR FREE*.



*excludeing the fx5900 and 9500, just so i can sell them and buy a XT.

 

[Shuzer]

mrchimp, the 5700 is also a well-performing FX card.

Naft, http://www.target-sale.com/tusa/items/videoagp/i04042.html

MSI, 128 bit, DX9 (although I doubt the first card doesn't support DX9).
I only posted the cheapest one, because, well, like crab said, most of the cards are the same. True, there are cards that have lower clock speeds (such as the 9600 pro ez Radeons by PowerColor, not a real 9600 pro card), cheaper RAM, whatever else, but generally speaking they're all the same (again, like crab said, better brands might have minimal FPS gain).

My point still stands; you can get a FX5200 brand new for (and a decent brand) under $60, including shipping. Why in the world would you pay $60 for a used one?

 

[mrchimp]

mrchimp, the 5700 is also a well-performing FX card.

Untill you try to play something with shaders.

 

[Shuzer]

..no? The 5700 ultra benchmarks around (a little under) the 9600xt in everything including DX9 (unless the benchmark was biased, but, I'm pretty sure it was from a reliable site), correct me if I'm wrong, I read it awhile ago

 

[mrchimp]

From which website, if it was Tom's Hardware I wouldn't trust it. Plus on the new version of 3Dmark 03 Nvidia cards are doing much worse than there ATi counterparts. I just don't trust the FX line of cards, it would take a miracle for them to gain enough performance to reach ATi's cards in DX9 apps whithout cheating, if after a certain driver release or new revision of the card they started doing alot better i would be very suspicious.

it just doesn't make sense to risk it to me.

 

[Shuzer]

Right, it wasn't Tom's Hardware, I know their history with benchmarks. Anyhow, it might've been Anandtech, not sure. All I know is that the FX5700 is based on the 5900, not the 5800, which is why it performs far better than the 5600 ultra

 

[Naft]

and you are 100% wrong about there being a big differance in brand......

a referance 5200 is a referance 5200.....regardless of who's name is on it.

im sorry, but i am not wrong. I could make you a card with an fx5200 chipset that would be a total piece of crap, worse than a tnt2. but it would be an fx5200 because of the chipset. like i said, the chipset determines the methods and technologies used, the hardware determines the speeds and capacities. and the hardware is determined by the manufacturer.

mr chimp, that was what i was saying, is that 4 mx is really no better(if at all better) than a 3 ti. sure a good 4 ti is probably more powerful than an fx 5200. but im not going to spend money upgrading my video card, esp for a card that isnt going to at least give me dx9 at 800x600.

congratz at your bargain hunting shuzer, but id much rather get the same card from a source i trust than some random internet site, even if it is $2 dollars more. and its not like the price was set in stone either, he said when he bought it the retail was up around $90, and i was too lazy to check up so i offered him $60. im sure if i tell him that standard retail price is around $60-70(what you found were special deals also, not standard retail) he'd be willing to lower the price. no big deal.

but hey, thank you for the responses....as much as it may seem im completely rejecting any of your ideas, they are exactally what i was looking for. thumbs up.

 

[hyenolie]

hey naft, u wanna buy my geforce2 mx400, its got a tiny fan on the gpu. ill sell it to you for 50 dollars oem. what you say?

im getting an asus 9800xt, with 2, yes 2, small fans =D. so what you say u wanna buy my current vga?

 

[Maxi]

Um... i hope your aware that that geforce has about enough power running 3d applications as my freeking cellphone has...

 

[hyenolie]

HEEEEELLLLLLOOOOOOOOO!!!!! shut up!, im trying to make a deal, thank you =/

 

[MINDA]

hes probably talking about the 5200.

Yuck, i have one, its not even worth 5c. People would have to pay me $50 MINIMUM if they wanted me to take that card. Its just SOOOOOO shit.

COD : 15 FPS - EVERYTHING low detail (640 x 480)
MOHAA : 40 FPS - EVERYTHING low detail (1024 x 768)
NFS:U : 15 FPS - EVERYTHING low detail (1024 x 768)
Max Payne 2 : 25 FPS - EVERYTHING low detail (1024 x 768)

its just not worth it. please listen to me. u will see no / little increase in performance.
my mate has a GF 4 MX 440.

COD : 60 FPS - EVERYTHING high detail (1024 x 768)
MOHAA : 90 FPS - EVERYTHING high detail (1024 x 768)
NFS:U : 45 FPS - EVERYTHING high detail (1024 x 768)
Max Payne 2 : 60 FPS - EVERYTHING high detail (1024 x 768)

Naft: "Duuuuuuuuh, i will buy a gay fx instead of my good MX 440."
Me: *Bitch-slaps u

 

[crabcakes66]

im sorry, but i am not wrong. I could make you a card with an fx5200 chipset that would be a total piece of crap, worse than a tnt2. but it would be an fx5200 because of the chipset. like i said, the chipset determines the methods and technologies used, the hardware determines the speeds and capacities. and the hardware is determined by the manufacturer.

nope.


Do some research.

Ive had this arguement before.


A referance board is a referance board.......


There are standards a manufacturer must meet.

nvidia would not license there chip to a company that did not use referance or better specs for there video cards.

 

[Naft]

nvidia would not license there chip to a company that did not use referance or better specs for there video cards.

all that means is that i couldnt make an fx 5200 board, big deal, i was making an example. there is still going to be plenty of room for quality differences.

you know what? i would argue, but i really dont think its worth it right now. so.....you win, you're right....happy?

um, considering a 2 is a large step downwards, and i dont feel any compelling need for a small fan, i think ill decline on your offer hyenolie.

minda...is your "mate"'s mx 440 a newer model? cause if so they have higher speeds than the older versions(mine is from a while back, when FX was just an idea). i also know for a fact from other people and personal experience that the stock drivers on nearly all nvidia cards are pure crap. upgrading drivers on any nvidia card me or any of my friends have ever had has increased performance at least 20-30%. another reason you might be getting lower framerates even at low details with your fx is because it will default to ps 2.0, which takes a lot more bandwidth than the ps 1.4 or 1.1 that an mx440 uses. you can manually change the modes which each game runs in to ease up on performance. (even(esp?) with low detail ps 2.0 takes up a lot more bandwidth than 1.4 or 1.1)

mx440 is the bottom line of geforce 4 (with the exception of mx 420), 5200 is the bottom line of geforce fx. since both the cards im switching to/from are from the same stages of development(ie, while that model was a new card) i will be seeing a noticeable increase.

whatever, ill tell you guys how it goes on thursday. and if it doesnt work out for the better, i wont buy the card, its htat simple.

thanks again peeps

 

[Shuzer]

Wasn't exactly bargain hunting, pricewatch is my friend Anyway, that's the standard internet price, actually. Retail is (usually) overpriced, Wal*Mart sells FX 5200's for $135 (poor example, since WalMart isn't exactly a computer store, but.. lol)

I feel bad for any shmucks that read words like "SCREAMING FAST" and "128MB AGP MAKES YOUR GAMES LOOK MORE REALISTIC" and buy a card based on the box. Hate to see how many people bought a FX 5200 from WalMart thinking it was the best card out there lol

anyhow, gl with the card.. I'd like to hear how it performs, all I know is I've heard horribly negative feedback from everyone regarding FX 5200s

edit: to clarify, I'm in no way comparing you to a Wal-Mart shopper buying a graphics card lol

 

[crabcakes66]

:thumbs: when you get some idea of what your talking about, let me know.

 

[Naft]

edit: to clarify, I'm in no way comparing you to a Wal-Mart shopper buying a graphics card lol

didnt think you would be that base.

when you get some idea of what your talking about, let me know.

glad the feeling is mutual.
at this point, i figure no matter what i say, you will leave with the knowledge that you are right, and no matter what you say i will leave with the knowledge that i am right, so there's no point in making my case.

 

[Naft]

as promised, the results.

He ended up selling it to me for $40, which was excellent. i installed it, updated the drivers from www.nvidia.com, installed them, and ran some halo. now first a little background on my halo stats before(with my mx 440). i had it at 800x600, full textures and particles, 30 fps lock, 4x antialiasing and 2x anisotropic filtering(my card's max). it ran smoothly at prob 25-30 fps until a plasma overheat or near the huge plasma generators(the ones you walk in and blow up). then it would get choppy and probably slowed down to like 10 fps.(to solve i would just quickly switch weapons out and back again, and the plasma wouldnt show). Now, with the same antialiasing and anisotropic filtering settings, same detail plus specular and decals(not dynamic shadows, couldnt tell enough of a difference for it to matter) at 800x600 it runs smoothly with no slowdown during plasma intensive situations, plus it looks a hell of a lot better.

UT2K3....with AA and ASF at the same settings as before(didnt bother to change them) im getting about 40 more fps(from around 30 to about 70+)

 

[mrchimp]

Just incase anyone is wondering taking Naft's statements as gospel truth would be a mistake.

 

[Naft]

hey, your universal nvidia & fx hating fanaticism is not needed buddy.

besides, the point was not that i was going to get a card and was thinking of the fx 5200. i was NOT buying a video card, i was taking advantage of a deal from a friend. i specifically said dont tell me to get another type of card, because im not shopping. i realize that the fx is not the best line of cards(although i do know that they will improve with driver releases as time passes(more so than ATI cards that is)), and i also realize that the 5200 is the worst of that line of cards. if i were buying or shopping for a card i would definetly not buy a 5200, possibly not an FX. but im not.

just in case you were wondering, taking anyone's statements about anything to be gospel truth would be a mistake.

 

[mrchimp]

I have alot of Nvidia hardware and I would buy from Nvidia in the futer but the FX is a discrace, it deserves to be hated.

 

[Anable]

Everyone who agrees that instead of buying a MX440 or FX5200 and spend a few more bucks for a TI4200 raise your hand.

 

[Asus]

Everyone who agrees that instead of buying a MX440 or FX5200 and spend a few more bucks for a TI4200 raise your hand.

:cheers:
So true...

 

[Camon_Draconis]

Everyone who agrees that instead of buying a MX440 or FX5200 and spend a few more bucks for a TI4200 raise your hand.

id agree with you but i have a 5900 ultra, which runs just fine for my liking and i wont trade it until 512mb comes onto vid cards but still thumbs up for the 4200 :thumbs: