A Breen Theory (MAJOR SPOILERS For All Games)

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I have been thinking about this for quite a while, and I know we are all considering Breen's fate - however, I believe there are several pieces of, well, not evidence, but connections to link Breen to being an Advisor. Not just any Advisor, one we saw in Half Life 2.

To start off, think of it like this. We have no knowledge of how the Combine can change a human to an Advisor, or vice versa - but do we really know just how human Breen has ever been? I mean, he was only vaguely mentioned in Half Life, and never by name - if anything, I believe he caused the Black Mesa Incident, and summoned the Combine.

But, we do know Breen was offered what was only referred to as a "host body" at the end of Half Life 2. Now, skip to Episode One. The Advisor in the Citadel is known in the game files as AI Advisor Breen - and why would an Advisor still be lurking in the Citadel, anyway, if not trapped? Getting used to the new body, maybe?

In Episode Two, the first Advisor you encounter seems smaller - younger. What if Advisors do not grow with their host's age, but over the length of time their body has been in use? If this was Breen, it would not have been very long - therefore, the Advisor would be smaller. Also, when the two Advisors enter the hangar - the first holds Eli down, and then the second kills him. Why would the first wait? Could the second be an angry Breen, out for revenge? The Advisor then moves for Alyx - while many question why, if this was Breen, would Gordon not be the primary target - remember that at this point the Advisors were in no hurry, believing their prey to be pinned down and trapped. And let's face it, what would be more painful for Gordon - being killed first, almost instantly, or watching Eli and Alyx suffer before being killed?

So, guys - any theories on this? I'm sure I am wrong in many aspects, so if anyone could point out flaws we can see if I am on to something, or just looking too deeply into the Half Life universe (is that even possible?).
 
Some say they have seen Breen's teleport bubble sink after destroying the teleport machine at the end of HL2, then after Episode One you see the Advisors leaving the Citadel in droves, perhaps Breen was 'absorbed' into an Advisor and split with the others before the whole thing went up... So your theory does have some good points, we'll have to see in Ep 3 what really went on...
 
That's like saying Eli will become an Antlion.

Who ever said advisors are created from humans??
 
The Combine had no knowledge of Earth prior to the Resonance Cascade, and Breen wasn't the one who 'rigged' Black Mesa - it was Gman. He may have had some hand in it (Pretty sure there's more to Eli, Breen, the Gman and Black Mesa), but he didn't intend to unleash the Combine.

I'd also argue Breen isn't an Advisor. The idea behind showing them in Episode 1 and 2 is to bring the true face of the Combine into the light; to have any of them as Breen would be superficial and redundant. The Advisors themselves are also a race that has become grub-like. That is a result of them relying on so much technology to keep them alive--they have hindered their own natural evolution. I'm not sure there'd be an Advisor hanging around for Breen to 'host body' into, if you know what I mean.

I'm not too keen on the whole idea. I think it'd both kill Breen's character and fail in bringing anything of worth to the storyline. I'm pretty sure Breen is still kicking in some form, but I doubt it's in a space slug.

Also, Breen and Eli were friends. I doubt he'd condone or stand for what happened to Eli in the final act of Episode 2.
 
Samon said:
I'd also argue Breen isn't an Advisor. The idea behind showing them in Episode 1 and 2 is to bring the true face of the Combine into the light; to have any of them as Breen would be superficial and redundant...I'm not too keen on the whole idea. I think it'd both kill Breen's character and fail in bringing anything of worth to the storyline.
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That's funny, weren't you supporting that idea just weeks ago? ;)
 
That's pretty much an example of every single post I've written on the subject of Breen being an Advisor. I've never supported the idea.
 
Interesting, perhaps Breen was mis-portaled somewhere to return in Epsisode 3?
 
Err...look! A religious wacko! Up there! *exit, stage right..*
 
Lokizen said:
Interesting, perhaps Breen was mis-portaled somewhere to return in Epsisode 3?
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My main problem with this theory is that the goal of the Half-life 2 finale is to stop him teleporting; if Breen teleports, it's mission failure. To stop him teleporting you disable the Dark Fusion Reactor, and in doing that you eliminate the entire Combine teleportation grid on Earth! So, unless Valve want to make all that redundant, I can't see him escaping via teleportation.

99.vikram said:
Err...look! A religious wacko! Up there! *exit, stage right..*
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:p
 
99.vikram said:
Err...look! A religious wacko! Up there! *exit, stage right..*
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I believe you've got the wrong guy.

And basically Samon's summed up what I would say. I would add that I'd prefer it if Breen didn't come back, story or no. I consider him a problem "dealt with". And if he did, the Combine would take no notice of him after failing previously, and he'd have nothing else to support him
 
Breen must be dead simply because there is no way to bring him back into the story without cheapening it. HL isn't a damn superhero comic where the bad guy keeps miraculously surviving so they can use him in the next issue. Breen is dead, otherwise the ending of HL2 fails and the story is, at least partially, ruined.
 
riomhaire said:
Breen must be dead simply because there is no way to bring him back into the story without cheapening it. HL isn't a damn superhero comic where the bad guy keeps miraculously surviving so they can use him in the next issue. Breen is dead, otherwise the ending of HL2 fails and the story is, at least partially, ruined.
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I believe we will be seeing Breen somewhere in the future (not in a advisor body) but if Valve were to see how much negative comments there are on the whole idea, then they will probably scrap the whole idea.
 
Tomu said:
I believe we will be seeing Breen somewhere in the future (not in a advisor body) but if Valve were to see how much negative comments there are on the whole idea, then they will probably scrap the whole idea.
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Valve aren't going to go off what people think about any ideas. Besides, most ideas they come up with, no-one's considered.
 
Druckles said:
That's like saying Eli will become an Antlion.

Who ever said advisors are created from humans??
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Y'know, I really don't see your point...when was Eli ever offered a host body? And I never said Advisors are created from humans.

Everybody else's comments are appreciated - personally, I actually didn't like Breen as a character, and I hope he stays dead. However, I just thought that some of these things were a little odd, especially the "AI Advisor Breen" - come on, seriously, give me a logical answer for that and I'll shut up, I promise.
 
Because it's the same video feed. Breen_Advisor; they both appear on the same monitor. The scene is linked.
 
Druckles said:
Valve aren't going to go off what people think about any ideas. Besides, most ideas they come up with, no-one's considered.
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Yes I know, I was being sarcastic, Perhaps I should add a simile next time.;)
 
Samon said:
Because it's the same video feed. Breen_Advisor; they both appear on the same monitor. The scene is linked.
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Okay, thanks - sorry for wasting everyone's time. Enjoy Episode Three.
 
I have no problem with Breen being in a host body.
I think its a nice to think the Advisors might have looked like us at sometime and transferred themselves for more power and a indefinite life span. Also they could take whatever brilliant mind that conformed to their beliefs and recruit them as their own, adding to their collective intellect.

With all the talk about immortality it makes sense that this is what they we're talking about.
Also with the host body comment dropped right before we see an advisor up close for the first time can't just be coincidence.
 

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ZachAttack said:
I have no problem with Breen being in a host body.
I think its a nice to think the Advisors might have looked like us at sometime and transferred themselves for more power and a indefinite life span. Also they could take whatever brilliant mind that conformed to their beliefs and recruit them as their own added to their collective intellect.

With all the talk about immortality it makes sense that this is what they we're talking about.
Also with the host body comment dropped right before we see an advisor up close for the first time can't just be coincidence.
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Wahay! Somebody agrees! Hey, I'm so happy with that I'm gonna start posting again. If you have a problem, don't read the thread. Anyway, it's a Breen theory, not G-Man; anything can happen.

And as for Breen being friends with Eli - he really didn't seem that friendly when he was about to throw him and Alyx through a Combine portal.
 
breen did mention being put into a host body when talking to the other slugface- i mean advisor.
 
But the teleportation was stopped. So he couldn't have got away.

Personally I think he was ripped to shreds/burnt up by the ensuing explosion.
 
The above post is true, but then, the Advisor inside the Citadel survived...
 
The advisor wasn't directly below the device which you blew up.
 
I definitely think that Breen is still alive in some way, shape, or form. Although i have no idea how or where he is I just dont think hes down for the count. Oh i know hes a CYBORG!:borg::borg::borg::borg::borg:
 
Here's a thought.

In EP2 after Dog kills the Strider he pulls out its brain which resembles & probably is a human brain, which means that the combine use human intelligence to make their synths come alive so maybe they pulled Breens Brain (That's fun to say, Breens Brain :p) out of his head & made him into an Advisor.

It just occured to me then that if all the Combines synths require humans to exist then what did the Combine invade Earth with?


Still you're theory is quite plausible, good thinking.
 
GordonFreeman502 said:
Here's a thought.

In EP2 after Dog kills the Strider he pulls out its brain which resembles & probably is a human brain, which means that the combine use human intelligence to make their synths come alive so maybe they pulled Breens Brain (That's fun to say, Breens Brain :p) out of his head & made him into an Advisor.

It just occured to me then that if all the Combines synths require humans to exist then what did the Combine invade Earth with?


Still you're theory is quite plausible, good thinking.
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Wrong: let me explain.

Striders are Synths that were once living, unmodified creatures that were taken by the Combine and physically modified (although, some suggest the Strider's appearance could just be a part of their genetic structure, and that they were only captured, which is quite plausible). With that point being made, the Strider does not have a human brain; it has its own brain, and possibly thought for itself before it was taken. So, Breen's brain was not inserted into an Advisor's body, but if it was, the process would have required heavy reconfiguring and many months of surgery.

EDIT: Oh and one more thing: I suppose you didn't bother to check this thread's last post date :)
 
I hate topics like this because everybody seems to assume Advisor = Host Body.

There's no reason to think he's been turned into an Advisor. Plus it's just silly.

EDIT: Oh God this topic is hella old.
 
Absinthe said:
EDIT: Oh God this topic is hella old.
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Well to be honest, this thread wasn't complete without that resurrecting comment. I mean, it was a very thought provoking comment and I applaud it's author for not keeping it to himself.

But aside from that, I do think host body=advisor is kind of silly. Personally I think Breen is small potatoes and insignificant at this point. There's no need to rehash his character. Sure he was a major player in the events during HL2, but we're long past that now. Whatever he could offer the combine previously for his deal is gone at this point. So I don't see Combine or anyone else wasting time with him. For all intents and purposes, Breen is gone.
 
Shem said:
(although, some suggest the Strider's appearance could just be a part of their genetic structure, and that they were only captured, which is quite plausible)
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I can't really imagine a species evolving to have a destructive particle cannon for genitalia.
 
No matter what, Breen lives on. Not alive, but as a character. We saw him profilically twice in Episode 2, and in graffiti in Ep 2.
 
I think Breen is long gone. But there's always a possible chance, no one really saw him die so...
 
I can't see Advisors being host bodies really, I mean, didn't one of the Vorts in EP2 mention something about the Advisors who've begun to "hatch"? - For me at least, it sort of removed the impression that Advisors are used as host bodies and the theory of Breen being one.
 
Adivisors are a completely differant species from humans: you cannot make an advisor out of Breen, and any way this argumetn goes, Breen was killed for sure in the singularity which resulted in the collapse of the teleporter.
More to the point, the advisor was only growing because it had had to abadon its life support systems and had begun to adapt to the outside world. What's more, Breen would have immediatly recognised Gordon Freeman and killed him first.
To counter you suggestion that the Advisor may have absorbed breen(which is impossible because he was killed by a singularity)and that the Adivsor may have been waiting for Breen, what's to say the Advisor was even calling from the Citadel? And why would such a creature have a reason to leave the citadel? The core hadn't collapsed yet, and when it did, everyone started evacuating. The advisor near begining of episode one probably had, at first, monitered the collapse of the core and then left when things were firmly on their way.
 
AHTDestroyer said:
Adivisors are a completely differant species from humans: you cannot make an advisor out of Breen, and any way this argumetn goes, Breen was killed for sure in the singularity which resulted in the collapse of the teleporter.
More to the point, the advisor was only growing because it had had to abadon its life support systems and had begun to adapt to the outside world. What's more, Breen would have immediatly recognised Gordon Freeman and killed him first.
To counter you suggestion that the Advisor may have absorbed breen(which is impossible because he was killed by a singularity)and that the Adivsor may have been waiting for Breen, what's to say the Advisor was even calling from the Citadel? And why would such a creature have a reason to leave the citadel? The core hadn't collapsed yet, and when it did, everyone started evacuating. The advisor near begining of episode one probably had, at first, monitered the collapse of the core and then left when things were firmly on their way.
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But Breen's dead. Permanently dead.
http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=167643
 
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