A critical Blow for valve.

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Well I know im not inventing the wheel here but i think this subject must be discussed...

The owner of A fan site who gathers all the information about the latest leak name. said today that Valve gave him a call and the only thing he sees now right to do is to pray for them..
When he was asked why? \ what was the discussion all about? he said:

Valve's are in a very deep Sh*t right now and even if they manage to get out of it.. all other partners (E.g Havok) will sue them for millions of bucks just because of the leakage..

Take havok for example Thier whole Buisness sorrounds the idea of giving their code of phisics to companies in exchange for money.. while the Source code was leaked (+ Havok's code) They are out of buisness.

Some other companies are also included in this...

What really bothers me is the reason he mentioned that valve is really scr**d cz not only the source code has been downloaded.. he talked about the whole thing but his not sure if this will be leaked too... Lets just hope not..

Comments?
 
Time will tell.

I hop it won't affect the release date.
 
The game might not even be released for a long long time, I doubt releaseing the game is on there top of there priority list right now.
 
Thankfully Valve is rich and will be richer once HL2 is released. They may be able to pull through as a result.

Hopefully Havok wil understand (although in the business world thats unlikely). Also Gabe said that the hacker (the community needs to come up with a special name for refering to him) may have infiltrated the computers from other game companies. Also im pretty sure Havok makes its money from legitimate companies that will pay the money to liscense their physics engine so I doubt that Havok will see much of a profit hit.
 
Think about it.

Havok's code could be used, but any firm willing to actually use their code in a commercial product will no doubt, pay for the technology.

Lonely johnny coding in his basement, might use the code to learn from, but he'd never buy the code anyways. So, he might learn something from it, and even use parts of it, but he wasn't ever going to buy the code anyways.

So, really, is there going to be any financial loss? It's questionable, to say the least.
 
valve isn't responsible unless ppl can prove that they were negligent in their security.

now before some idiot says that obviously they were negligent since they used windows and outlook, shut up.

also, havok et al don't really need to worry about stolen source code. a lot of other developers have been interviewed by the big time media describing the source as "****ing antimatter". no one is going to touch that code, it would be too easy to tell it was stolen.
 
well this sucks , i hope this leak never happend or the person gets cought. Even with the compiled source that people have right now and have ran it, its crap without the models and the sound, textures , story , etc , etc , etc , etc , etc. First we were pissed it wasnt going to release september 30th and now who knows when it will come out thanks to a few people who got into valves computer. I really feel for valve and i hope they can still deliver the game soon.....
 
they will still make a killing from the game + they have $6mill from Ati + all there other sponsership deals. I mean even if the hackers did have the full game who would obtain it ? i mean how many ppl buy warez copies of games after the games are out ? not many. havok could be an issue, their company is effectively finished.
 
Valve is in litigation hell, that's for sure. It certainly explains why there was such a silence in the 2nd half of september.
 
why does no one read the other posts before replying?
 
thats exactly what im thinking. Forget hl2 for now....Do you really think they will keep the havok engine? NOPE. I bet they will re-do most of the games source and make it worse.
 
pesimist. Meh, i am sure it will all be fine. :(

btw RiDiC, I have seen you on plannet side. In fact i knifed you while you sniped yesterday. I am vanu GingerNinja lol. I am asuming it was you, name an all :)
 
I dont think Valve will be sued by anyone. This information was not LEAKED, it was STOLEN through a very elaborate, sophisticated intranet-server attack. Carelessness is one thing - but this was not a result of carelessness. This was a planned, deliberate attack by thieves. This was a criminal act and those responsible will be discovered soon and they will be fined and probably do some time. Teenagers who write viruses have been fined and jailed in this country, so throwing server hackers in jail would be no problem.
 
It was LEAKED. Not the entire source was taken away. Breaking in to big games such as Half-Life 2 should have a bigger punishment... But right now, I just want the thieves to have a death sentence.
 
Originally posted by slicknet IV
havok could be an issue, their company is effectively finished.
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How so? You think companies just download Havok code from the net to use in games? Didn't you ever stop to think that that's illegal?

Havok might still sue Valve. There's no financial loss, but I bet they're still pissed at having their code viewable by everyone in the world.
 
Originally posted by Netherscourge
I dont think Valve will be sued by anyone. This information was not LEAKED, it was STOLEN through a very elaborate, sophisticated intranet-server attack. Carelessness is one thing - but this was not a result of carelessness. This was a planned, deliberate attack by thieves. This was a criminal act and those responsible will be discovered soon and they will be fined and probably do some time. Teenagers who write viruses have been fined and jailed in this country, so throwing server hackers in jail would be no problem.
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They're still obligated to keep Havok code, or any other liscenced code for that matter, confined. If Havok proves that their security measures were insufficient, they can sue them.
 
I'm sure VALVe are insured for theft..., as long as they took good enough security measures, the insurace company would probably pay up.

eAi
 
Originally posted by Ridic
thats exactly what im thinking. Forget hl2 for now....Do you really think they will keep the havok engine? NOPE. I bet they will re-do most of the games source and make it worse.
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They paid for a license, so they're not obligated to stop using Havok.

I'm sure Valve can pull through this, atleast I hope so. They have full support of the community, and I doubt they'll let a developer with such support die easily.
The fact that they choose to develope without financial support (so no pressure from them either) from a publisher was quite risky. If they get sued, I don't think they'll have enough money since they put all their profit into making a good game (where are the Valve bashers now eh?). So it all depends on the software suppliers to forgive Valve or to sue their asses.
Damn I wanna see HL3 :(

Goddamn cracking mofo's, stop wasting out oxygen and die already.

Funny to see how this turned from a gaming heaven into gaming nightmare with a future filled with uncertainties in two days time.
 
heh... "the havok source is "*LGPL" the soruce is already out there, they only expect money from companies using it...", <---- I have read this somewhere... don't exactly know where...
*(don't exactly remember that thing)
 
and about the awsome graphics in HL2, will other game developers have access to that code and beable to manipulate the code to make their own games look just as good or better?
 
Originally posted by alco
How so? You think companies just download Havok code from the net to use in games? Didn't you ever stop to think that that's illegal?

Havok might still sue Valve. There's no financial loss, but I bet they're still pissed at having their code viewable by everyone in the world.
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Well ofcourse they arent going to copy-paste the whole idea of havok!
but what they CAN do is reading it and work by several guiding lines who creates the havok code.. so in other words they can create somthing diffrent , much better than nothing \ paying for a coding from havok..

what else can be is some other havok rivals can use this info or even new Havok like companies (and bcz they wont start from a scratch) they can ask for less money for a similar code..
 
Originally posted by Shift
It was LEAKED. Not the entire source was taken away. Breaking in to big games such as Half-Life 2 should have a bigger punishment... But right now, I just want the thieves to have a death sentence.
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Leaks are done from within the company...as in an employee leaked the source... that did not happen here. :)
 
Havok doesnt list Valve as a client.. and there is a post here from someone who looked at the source.. and noted that all of the Havok code is from the GPL (general public license) and is freely distributed anyway. This could be good news if no licensed Havok code was stolen :)
 
Havok is not going 2 go to Valve and widthdraw their license.

HL2 will be 1 of the biggest showcases of their tech. Its in the source engine, which will be 1 of the big 3 FPS graphics engines out for license (with DOOM3 and Unreal engines). Anyone who licenses Source will almost certianly also use Havok as it has been designed with Havok in mind. Im not sure how much and engine encompasses, you may need havok to use Source, I dunno. But Havok arent going to sue valve and get widthdraw it just because some hackers have their code.
 
i wish we knew more about what other companies had been targeted as well, all we know is valve.

if valve really is as scewed as could be, we wont be seeing HL2 for quite some time, which is fine by me if it means everything has been taken care of
 
Originally posted by Andrmgic
Havok doesnt list Valve as a client.. and there is a post here from someone who looked at the source.. and noted that all of the Havok code is from the GPL (general public license) and is freely distributed anyway. This could be good news if no licensed Havok code was stolen :)
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Not really, this actually states that Havoc apparently uses GPL code (without even bothering to falsify the licence agreement ??) in its proprietary source. This breaks the GPL licence: any program using GPL code must be under the GPL (or at least some other restrictive open-source licence, and then you'd better be ready to have a heated discussion with Richard Stallman :) ) . So that would be a copyright breach from HAVOK. Now, if this is true, that would be another reason for Havok to be pissed off with Valve, albeit not a very good one.
 
No company would use the Havok code themselves. That would be corporate suicide.
 
Originally posted by Urbanleg
Well ofcourse they arent going to copy-paste the whole idea of havok!
but what they CAN do is reading it and work by several guiding lines who creates the havok code.. so in other words they can create somthing diffrent , much better than nothing \ paying for a coding from havok..

what else can be is some other havok rivals can use this info or even new Havok like companies (and bcz they wont start from a scratch) they can ask for less money for a similar code..
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Originally posted by Urbanleg
Well ofcourse they arent going to copy-paste the whole idea of havok!
but what they CAN do is reading it and work by several guiding lines who creates the havok code.. so in other words they can create somthing diffrent , much better than nothing \ paying for a coding from havok..

what else can be is some other havok rivals can use this info or even new Havok like companies (and bcz they wont start from a scratch) they can ask for less money for a similar code..
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""Many executives believe that source code is valuable and has to be protected," Calenda said. But in the gaming industry, it's difficult for any company to stay ahead based on programming talent alone.

"In reality, people move from job to job and exchange ideas, and any great coder can do what's needed to produce a particular effect," he said."
 
Interestingly, pieces of the code included in the Havok part of the code has GPL licenses on it. It makes one wonder how often GPL code gets put into commercial software where the source code isn't released.
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I feel a bit stupid :). Havok leaving references to the GPL licence in their code seemed a bit ridiculous (hence the "??" in my previous post). I read this a bit too quickly , it makes more sens if the poster has read the code in depth and recognized some of the code as elsewhere disclosed under GPL.

Well that would be ironic. Tough not in a fun way...
 
ravenuk..Posted.. its obvious that its someone in vale that leaked it

What..?

I suggest you start reading this thread from the very first thread .. and then make a comment.!
 
yeah yeah. well its obvious that you dont understand the what they call warez scene otherwise you would relise most of the stuff released is but people on the inside.

aint gonna prove it dont need to but been around long enough to know its how it goes.

i aint knocking valve they do a great job but they may want to look a little closer to home first.

email or not christ it aint hard to get into peoples stuff now is it be honest
 
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