A funny thing (or maybe not at all)

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Yes, I've got the stolen build of HL2 but it's funny how I can get my rage over the thief that stole this code unleashed at the body that is in the techdemo about physics from E3. And it seems a bit scary that I can go berserk over a body that moves around so real, throwing it around with physgun, smashing with a barrel or a wooden plank. I've been wondering, if this virtual world is behaving so real as reality itself, am I really capable of smashing people's heads in the real world?!

P.S. I don't think that the mods need to close this thread, because we're talking here about something we all know very well. Playing a stolen build is my bussiness, I'm not proud of it, but as we say in our country: "Opportunity is what turns a man into thief."
 
Ethical questions, not worthy to be discussed?!
 
I made a fort out of barrels lol, and then I tossed a grenade into(rolled it on the floor) and the barells went all over the room.
 
I dont think u would be capable to smash someones head in in rl.

We all **** people up in games and I think its healthy way to get your anger out. Like a vent if u may.

But ofcourse some people go over the top and take the game into rl. But there will always be cracy people doing cracy stuff no matter what.
 
They were talking about this at an AI convention a while ago...
the true best AI would have to be made to want to save it's own life but not cheat because they are in a game. But to do that they would have to be self-aware and know they are computer characters. So in effect you would be killing things capable of thoughts. So would it be morally wrong?
 
Easiest question ever...

Yes. :) Anyone is capable of smashing anything as long as they have the strength to do the smashing in the first place.
 
Letters said:
Easiest question ever...

Yes. :) Anyone is capable of smashing anything as long as they have the strength to do the smashing in the first place.
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LOL :D :D :) :) Smart one. :)
 
crabcakes66 said:
Most useless post ever. :upstare:
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shhh.. you're not supposed to realize that :)

And to answer your question, I positioned Alyx and Kleiner in Kleiner's lab on all sorts of different objects for about an hour..
 
Shuzer are you serious? I couldn't get that map to work.
 
Foxtrot said:
Shuzer are you serious? I couldn't get that map to work.
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Odd. Worked for me, unless you tried the "updated" stolen build. Which nothing worked in.

Anyway, yeah, lol, I took screenshots.. I'm sad :( I have a strange fetish with playing ragdoll physics :|
Oh well, I think it's probably because, ever since I first saw the HL2 E3 trailer, I wanted to mess around with the ragdoll, no matter the game (I even have played with dead bodies extensively in the FC demo)
 
Even if someone would ask me to hit him I would hold back. Not very violent at all.
But anyone is capable of smashing in someones face, you just need the right motivation, and a game isn't enough (not by a longshot)
 
Even if it does who cares. It's funny but personally I have a complete lack of morals when I do anything on the internet.

What you can do you will do if there is no consequence.
 
Yes, I've got the stolen build of HL2 but it's funny how I can get my rage over the thief that stole this code unleashed at the body that is in the techdemo about physics from E3. And it seems a bit scary that I can go berserk over a body that moves around so real, throwing it around with physgun, smashing with a barrel or a wooden plank. I've been wondering, if this virtual world is behaving so real as reality itself, am I really capable of smashing people's heads in the real world?
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I think it's perfectly natural to explore the capabilities. Being curious about a game where nothing but photons get hurt, and having the ability (or worse, the desire) to hurt someone in RL are two very different things...

As for the self-awareness of AI, I don't think we should concern ourselves until they can independently demand their rights... :smoking:
 
It's not the question if NPC is getting his ass whipped for real it's about the player, who does psycho things with it. I'm not talking about the reality itself but the perception of the reality which can be percepted in really sick ways.
 
A.I. said:
It's not the question if NPC is getting his ass whipped for real it's about the player, who does psycho things with it. I'm not talking about the reality itself but the perception of the reality which can be percepted in really sick ways.
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As long as it stays on the player's comp, who cares? I think it provides an outlet - too many try to make reality their outlet...

For some reason I'm reminded of how prohibition leads to increased crime...
 
I do disturbing, very distrubing things with the corpses in the HL2 beta. It's great fun!!

But there's no way i would do it in reality. Though if gravity guns were real, i would be tempted. TEMPTED!!
 
I think this is an excellent topic, and I don't think it would be morally bad to "kill" something like that, becuase 1. Your not really killing it, it is just electronic data transmitted to your screen, playing tricks with your eyes and making it look like there is depth, and 2. It can always be instantly remade again, so it's no loss.
 
I play violent video games, I could snap at any moment. i got that on a shirt. heh

As for the ethical question, I think i could...only if i had to though, im not a phsychotic idiot...
 
I haven't played the Beta of the game, but I am so tempted. It's like some company just made some awesome car like a Ferrari and it's just sitting there, up for grabs, free for the taking. There is nobody stopping you, but It feels wrong to do...

Plus I want it to be a surprise. Tell me, do you guys regret play testing the beta, 'cause if so that will just hold me back even more (good thing.)

When you are in Kleiner's lab, is there anything interesting to see? Like that dead scanner... Is it Scripted, like Alex and Kleiner say the same stuff at the same time and that computer monitor falls over by itself?

I just would appreciate it if someone could quench my thirst so-to-speak... I just want to know those minor details only about the kleiner's lab level... nothing else.

Thanks
 
if you can't differentiate between reality and virtual reality, then you shouldnt be playing games at all
 
True, but ragdolls have a way with your mind...

"Put an explosive by me and watch me fly..."

"Watch me fall down the stairs and land in a mangled position..."

"You better not be thinking of hitting me with the crowbar there..."
 
If you guys are having moral questions concerning the self-awareness of AIs in the future, you should watch the movie "The Thirteenth Floor", it deals with this topic in great depth
 
crabcakes..you jsut added to a pointless thread witha pointless comment.......

yes...you can crush peoples heads in in real life. shyt ei dont want to remember
But he raises a good point here. If it would be possible to make this a VR Anger release program it might be healthy. A phsychologist could emply a certian formula to a patient, ask somone to make a level designed with such and such and such with those peramiters hte forumal dictated. let the paitent try these things in game. if hte paitent is mentaly unstable though..hehe...leave it at the one hour sessions
i have not sunk to getting the stolen "build" yet and i am proud of it.
but the "i made a fort out of barrels" remark just made me want the game more and more. hehe good call on the fort lad
 
Killing game-AI unethical? Nonsense! You are "killing" a programmed "figure". The figure comes back. It is spawned from code, not from matter (unless you want to argue that the microscopic happenings in the circuits are physical, but you know what I mean).
But at the same time, say human beings were AI. Killing humans is unethical, but probably only because humans draw the line from being able to make a difference in the world as we see it. If there was an entire community of AI, all helping each other, all thinking indepentantly, and have evolved over a long long time, then killing it in that case would be immoral for wasting all of their time. Yeah I'm probably rambling by now, so I guess I'll end it.
 
discuss illegal files all you want, just dont expect me to read about them, I want my hl2 expirience to be as robust and orginal as possible which is already in jepordy (although not TO bad) with games like farcry comeing out soon
 
What about this: you digitalise your mother (make a 3D model) and put it in a HL2. Would you be able to kill her although you know it's only AI begging for its life with a voice and appearance like your mother's? Have in mind that facial expressions and emotions...
 
Self-aware AI wouldn't stand for being stuck in a game, anyway. Maybe employed as the ultimate bot, yes, but not enslaved inside a small game world.

Shooting one wouldn't kill it, anyway, it'd probably just terminate its "physical" form, and reduce it to "spectator" mode...
 
A.I. said:
Yes, I've got the stolen build of HL2 but it's funny how I can get my rage over the thief that stole this code unleashed at the body...
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Amusing - in downloading the stolen build you prove yourself no better than the hacker who you supposedly are angry at. Time to look at yourself a bit harder?
 
Iconoclast, downloading the game and playing it does no more harm to HL2. All the harm was done with after the hacker has stolen the code.
 
all this talk about self-aware AI, hehe you guys are in over your heads.
 
Once you play Postal 2 you'll see what really sick things you can do with corpses.

It's all just curiousity. Unless you really ARE mental, deep down you know it's just a game, and that person twitching on the floor after you've just torched them and pissed them out is not real.

There's nothing wrong with you.
 
1. AI at this point still doesn't feel and won't for quite a long while. What is the harm of taking a human life? Arguably it is all an emotional reaction for the person being killed and people who care for him/her (I guess the pain of being killed would factor into it as well). Right now killing AI is like saying 'woops, I broke this pane of glass'. Soon it might be equivalent to 'woops, I stepped on this flower'.
2. I think playing with a dead body (in a game) right now factors more into the 'world interaction' area than anything else. You mess with it simply because it is just another part of a virtual playground created for exactly that purpose. Mess around, have fun, etc. Just the fact that you recognize that it is a little morbid means there is still that part of you that is functioning normally.
 
what about the part that smirks wickedly in the darkness of your mind? telling you to do it more and more cause you like it?
*sigh* i love being evil
 
I've seen pictures where ppl have been able to get alyx's hand on to the doctor's nads with the use of the crowbar (i think).. so funny :E
 
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