a racist PC game

[<RJMC>]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=60093

got that link from someone in another thread

I think this is something that jackass thompson and hillary hill clinton should be focused on

 

[Absinthe]

This is the kind of shit that gets virtually no mention. Everybody's too busy being concerned about the comical and cartoony violence of the GTA games.

 

[CptStern]

good find ...this should be in the politics forum

 

[dream431ca]

Some people should not be allowed to make and sell games..who the hell would publish that?

 

[Xune]

A racist publisher, says so in the artical.

 

[Venmoch]

games..who the hell would publish that?

People that already publish "White Power" music?

Incidnetly, this reminds me of a Louis Theroux episode where he met a large group of "Neo-Nazis" and there was a mother of two daughters about 6 and 8, she was teaching them at home, because the state system taught views she "disagreed with" And not only that, had them listen to white-power metal and had them both performing anti-semetic songs.

However, I was reminded of this whole thing when they mentioned a game they commonly played. And enjoyed.


Lets just say I'd rather like to do a little vigilante work.

I mean how come these people are still able to get away with blatent racism?

 

[<RJMC>]

still the idea of the end boss sounds funny

I will like a game where the end boss if the president of my country,now that is a game that I will buy

 

[bliink]

Incidnetly, this reminds me of a Louis Theroux episode where he met a large group of "Neo-Nazis" and there was a mother of two daughters about 6 and 8, she was teaching them at home, because the state system taught views she "disagreed with" And not only that, had them listen to white-power metal and had them both performing anti-semetic songs.

I saw that.... it was depressing...

Anyway, since theres a lot about this in politics, I'm going to move the thread in there.

 

[gh0st]

[sarcasm]my kind of game.[/sarcasm]

 

[Sui]

"The whole intent of making this videogame was to make a racially provocative videogame," National Alliance chairman Shawn Walker told the United Press.

"If it does help promote the separation of the races, then it's been positive and that's what we want."

That pretty much sums this whole thing up. dispite their optimistic enthusiasm, I doubt abything like this will ever be released, even as a free download. it would cost way too much to make the game, and if you're not already racist, a game's not going to make you into one.

 

[diluted]

It's about time they started making games for southerners. Only problem is, they'll have to figure out how to use one of them new-fangled 'computer machines' first...

 

[evil^milk]

still the idea of the end boss sounds funny

I will like a game where the end boss if the president of my country,now that is a game that I will buy

lol. yesterday i went camping, and someone turned on the radio. Someone was doing a phone prank on president Chavez. they made him believe he was talking to Fidel Castro using pre-recorded messages, and in the end they insulted him. The program was called "el basilon," are you familiar with it?

 

[bliink]

That pretty much sums this whole thing up. dispite their optimistic enthusiasm, I doubt abything like this will ever be released, even as a free download. it would cost way too much to make the game, and if you're not already racist, a game's not going to make you into one.

I'm pretty sure that its out.... I remember seeing an unlockable demo somewhere..

 

[iyfyoufhl]

if you think about it, GTA is kinda racist (maybe not)

 

[xLostx]

[SARCASM]I made this game.[/SARCASM]

 

[gh0st]

if you think about it, GTA is kinda racist (maybe not)

yeah but only against races nobody likes.

 

[Hapless]

Let me first qualify this post by stating that I am not, in any way, shape or form, a racist, nor do I condone racism. Furthermore, I am against censorship, whether it be music, movies, videogames or other mediums. That being said....

Why is it that we should go after this game, but not games which feature gore, violence, cop-killing and prostitute stomping? Is killing a cop in a videogame somehow more acceptable than playing a racist in a videogame? If one truly supports free-speech, one should support the developers of this particular game's right to produce it. You don't have to agree with what someone says, but you should vigorously defend their right to say it. One shouldn't let one's personal beliefs trample on someone else's rights....right Stern?:E :cheers:

 

[Pesmerga]

yeah but only against races nobody likes.

rofl.


I once visited a racist IRC channel with a friend of mine, we were playin along jokingly and then started spamming

BLACK POWER

 

[evil^milk]

a good accomplishment.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

if you think about it, GTA is kinda racist (maybe not)

GTA is racist towards -every- race so it kind of doesn't matter or have any impact.

 

[NeptuneUK]

http://www.resistance.com/ethniccleansing/index.htm

i WAS gunna play the game to become brainwashed then set out on a mission to destroy all ethnic minorities.... but then i found the graphics were bad!

 

[Pesmerga]

""You should be arrested." -Peggy Brunyansky" <-- review of the game, look on their 'reviews' page. Hilarious!

 

[kirovman]

GTA comically stereotypes everyone so it evens out.

This game just looks sickening though.

They're just trying to get at GTA because they have high sales so re-rating it AO will cause maximum commotion and publicity.

So who're the publishers, BNP?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Hahaha, the graphics are so horrid. Worse than HL1, and that's 1998

 

[DEATH eVADER]

I've just been reminded of something that Michael Moore said in the Audio version of 'Stupid white men'. When he's walking down the street, he will try and avoid white people (Even though he's white himself), why? Because white people are the ones who bullied him in school, gave him parking tickets, wouldn't give him a loan, arrested him, beaten him up, etc etc.

That is true with me, except the beaten up and parking ticket thing......okay I never was arrested either!

I got to say, his 'Sturpid White men' is classic and I suggest listening or reading it

 

[jondy]

Why is it that we should go after this game, but not games which feature gore, violence, cop-killing and prostitute stomping? Is killing a cop in a videogame somehow more acceptable than playing a racist in a videogame? If one truly supports free-speech, one should support the developers of this particular game's right to produce it.

Fact is, a racist videogame is far more likely to influence someone's views in terms of racism, than a killing game is likely to influence someone's views as to murder.

 

[Hapless]

Fact is, a racist videogame is far more likely to influence someone's views in terms of racism, than a killing game is likely to influence someone's views as to murder.

Really? Is that a fact? Can you point me to some data on that? So what you're saying is that videogames DO inflence people? Unless, of course, they're videogames that you approve of? Sounds like you and Jack(ass) Thompson should get together.

 

[Absinthe]

Really? Is that a fact? Can you point me to some data on that? So what you're saying is that videogames DO inflence people? Unless, of course, they're videogames that you approve of? Sounds like you and Jack(ass) Thompson should get together.

Was that necessary? Really.

 

[Hapless]

Was that necessary? Really.

What are you talking about?

 

[CptStern]

Let me first qualify this post by stating that I am not, in any way, shape or form, a racist, nor do I condone racism. Furthermore, I am against censorship, whether it be music, movies, videogames or other mediums. That being said....

Why is it that we should go after this game, but not games which feature gore, violence, cop-killing and prostitute stomping?

because prostitute stomping, cop killing isnt the goal of GTA ...the whole objective in the racist game is to kill as many minorities as possible ...they dont even compare hapless

Is killing a cop in a videogame somehow more acceptable than playing a racist in a videogame?

if the goal of the game wa to kill cops I would agree with you but that's not the goal in GTA

If one truly supports free-speech, one should support the developers of this particular game's right to produce it.

not if it infringes on my rights ...at least in canada ...dont know about the US but canadians cant deciminate hate because it infringes on the charter of rights

You don't have to agree with what someone says, but you should vigorously defend their right to say it. One shouldn't let one's personal beliefs trample on someone else's rights....right Stern?:E :cheers:

I agree ...is that what you wanted to hear?

 

[Hapless]

because prostitute stomping, cop killing isnt the goal of GTA ...the whole objective in the racist game is to kill as many minorities as possible ...they dont even compare hapless

They absolutely do compare. They are both videogames. Videogames either influence people or they don't. You can't have your cake and eat it too. And I'm not playing devil's advocate, either. I don't believe that playing a videogame influences anyone to do anything. I also don't believe that videogames or anything else should be censored. If Joe Nazi wants to scream at the top of his lungs about how bad the Jews and such are, let him. If you've been to any of these racist rallies you'd know that the only people "influenced" are those already in the group. Everyone else just shows up to jeer or counter-protest. And yes, I've been to them because that's my job.

if the goal of the game wa to kill cops I would agree with you but that's not the goal in GTA

Can you split that hair any finer?

not if it infringes on my rights ...at least in canada ...dont know about the US but canadians cant deciminate hate because it infringes on the charter of rights

Apparently the US is more free than Canada is.

I agree ...is that what you wanted to hear?

Yes, it's been my goal to hear you say that. I can now die a happy man. :E

 

[CptStern]

They absolutely do compare. They are both videogames.

that's like saying a snuff movie and casablanca are the same because they're both films

again I re-iterate that the game because of their goals cannot be compared

Videogames either influence people or they don't. You can't have your cake and eat it too. And I'm not playing devil's advocate, either. I don't believe that playing a videogame influences anyone to do anything. I also don't believe that videogames or anything else should be censored. If Joe Nazi wants to scream at the top of his lungs about how bad the Jews and such are, let him. If you've been to any of these racist rallies you'd know that the only people "influenced" are those already in the group. Everyone else just shows up to jeer or counter-protest. And yes, I've been to them because that's my job.

you're preaching to the converted here ...I agree people have a right to say what they want ...as long as it doesnt infringe on my rights or the rights of others

Can you split that hair any finer?

care to elaborate?

Apparently the US is more free than Canada is.

please, I dont think even you believe that

Yes, it's been my goal to hear you say that. I can now die a happy man. :E

then why bother refering to me in your initial post?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

not if it infringes on my rights ...at least in canada ...dont know about the US but canadians cant deciminate hate because it infringes on the charter of rights

How does saying something infringe on your rights?

This game is despicable, but I agree with Hapless on that they have to be allowed to do it, lest someone brand the things you say to be 'not allowed to be said'

 

[Hapless]

that's like saying a snuff movie and casablanca are the same because they're both films

again I re-iterate that the game because of their goals cannot be compared

A snuff film, as I understand it, depicts an actual murder, correct? Therefore there is a world of difference between it and Casablanca. Games simulating the murder of cops or minorities or prostitutes are just that.

you're preaching to the converted here ...I agree people have a right to say what they want ...as long as it doesnt infringe on my rights or the rights of others

How can somebody saying something infringe on anyone's rights? If I say, "You're an asshole," does that somehow infringe on your rights? That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Free speech is free speech.

care to elaborate?

No. Figure it out.

please, I dont think even you believe that

If Canadians are prohibited from saying what they want, then yes I do believe that.

then why bother refering to me in your initial post?

It was an allusion to a discussion in another thread. I thought you had a sense of humor.

 

[CptStern]

How does saying something infringe on your rights?

This game is despicable, but I agree with Hapless on that they have to be allowed to do it, lest someone brand the things you say to be 'not allowed to be said'

you're right it doesnt directly infringe on MY rights because I'm not a minority ..but it does infringe on the canadian charter of rights in that it is a hate crime to:


Advocat genocide
318. (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.



Wilful promotion of hatred
(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

 

[Hapless]

you're right it doesnt directly infringe on MY rights because I'm not a minority ..but it does infringe on the canadian charter of rights in that it is a hate crime to:


Advocat genocide
318. (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.



Wilful promotion of hatred
(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

In the US, the speech has to be accompanied by a criminal act to be a hate crime. For example, if a group of white guys beat up a black guy, that's mob action. If they call him the "N" word while they're doing it, that's a hate crime. It ups the penalty significantly.

What I find disturbing about the Canadian law is that it says, "other than in private conversation." So what happens if someone overhears a private conversation and makes a complaint?

 

[CptStern]

if I hold a rally where I say kill the jews I'm committing a hate crime ..if I say "I think they should be killed" at home then that's opinion ..protected by freedom of speech. The difference is intent

 

[CptStern]

A snuff film, as I understand it, depicts an actual murder, correct? Therefore there is a world of difference between it and Casablanca. Games simulating the murder of cops or minorities or prostitutes are just that.

...but that's not the goal of gta in fact you're penalized for killing cops

How can somebody saying something infringe on anyone's rights?

you're not paying attention here ..a hate crime is an infringement on the canadian charter of rights

If I say, "You're an asshole,"

...thinly veiled insult aside ..that comment is not based on race

does that somehow infringe on your rights? That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Free speech is free speech.

no it's not ..if you had said "filthy <insert race here> must die" ..then you are committing a hate crime

No. Figure it out.

well since you wont be accomodating I'll just have to guess ...look you keep missing the point behind GTA >.it's not about murdering cops and prostitutes ..the racist game is all ABOUT murdering minorities

If Canadians are prohibited from saying what they want, then yes I do believe that.

canadian are NOT prohibited from saying what they want, you just cant see that

It was an allusion to a discussion in another thread. I thought you had a sense of humor.

I do, but this isnt one of those times when humour would come into play

 

[Hapless]

if I hold a rally where I say kill the jews I'm committing a hate crime ..if I say "I think they should be killed" at home then that's opinion ..protected by freedom of speech. The difference is intent

There's a big difference between loudly proclaiming that you want people of a certain group killed and saying that you don't like them and they should all move back to wherever they came from. Making a game that simulates the killing of a group of people is different still. My point is that you can't say a game which simulates the killing of some is right, while another game which simulates killing should be banned. Killing is killing. More than likely this game will have a VERY small user base and will go away. Which is as it should be.

 

[kirovman]

I just realised the irony of the thread title:

racist Political Correctness is an oxymoron