A Tale of Heroism and Valor

[CptStern]

oh you mean how in the new "free" iraq women actually lose rights they had before when saddam was around?

 

[Lemonking]

It aint the US that making those weird laws it the people maybe the majority wants be
like sheep to bad for them

 

[CptStern]

so let me get this straight .....you dont want countries to produce terrorism ...yet you overthrow the only secular government in the area and replace it with a fundamentalist one? ...isnt that what you did for the Taliban back in the 90's? ........we all know how well that turned out

 

[Tr0n]

Well history tends to repeat itself.

 

[CptStern]

yes ...but that led to 9/11

 

[Tr0n]

Well again history tends to repeat itself....the world trade towers was bombed back in the 90's by the taliban. So that proves my point.

 

[Lemonking]

so let me get this straight .....you dont want countries to produce terrorism ...yet you overthrow the only secular government in the area and replace it with a fundamentalist one? ...isnt that what you did for the Taliban back in the 90's? ........we all know how well that turned out

ey Ive been in germany the last 10 years
what I ment with "sheep" is they want to be controlled by a old book rather by
Goverment that does real politics

 

[CptStern]

hmmm ...your point can also be used to say that the severity of attack is escalating and that the current war would lead to something far far bigger than 9/11



Tron the doomsayer ...

 

[CptStern]

ey Ive been in germany the last 10 years
what I ment with "sheep" is they want to be controlled by a old book rather by
Goverment that does real politics

there's a fine line between politics and religion ...some may say that they go hand in hand

 

[Lemonking]

they shouldnt go "hand in hand"

 

[Tr0n]

Tron the doomsayer ...

Indeed am I.

 

[Hapless]

hmmm ...your point can also be used to say that the severity of attack is escalating and that the current war would lead to something far far bigger than 9/11



Tron the doomsayer ...

it will be 9/11 times 2,357...........

 

[CptStern]

ah Hapless ...long time no see ..just stopping in for a visit?

 

[Asknoone]

you remain an idiot ..in fact I truely believe you'll always be an idiot

I second this.

 

[DiSTuRbEd]

Lemonking, just take yourself out of this section of the forum, you make yourself look like a dumbass. Not only that you make america look like one aswell, since you bragged about how you're a real american now...

 

[jondy]

I second this.

3rd'ing stuff ftw

 

[Hapless]

ah Hapless ...long time no see ..just stopping in for a visit?

Yeah, just saying, "Hey." So, uh......"Hey."

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

You guys are dumb for making this thread political. This is a boots on the ground level story, meant to highlight the guy himself. Not other feelings/policies

 

[CptStern]

/me looks across border and waves at Hapless

 

[CptStern]

You guys are dumb for making this thread political. This is a boots on the ground level story, meant to highlight the guy himself. Not other feelings/policies

well to be fair ...you support the war, others dont, where you see a hero others see the heeled boot of the oppressor ..I'm sure many a border guard in berlin during the cold war were eager to tell their loved ones about their heroics on how they shot a german escaping in the west ..but across the border that same story had a decidely more somber tone

 

[Sulkdodds]

A fair point but not really a fair comparison. These guys were ambushed by armed assailants.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

well to be fair ...you support the war, others dont, where you see a hero others see the heeled boot of the oppressor ..I'm sure many a border guard in berlin during the cold war were eager to tell their loved ones about their heroics on how they shot a german escaping in the west ..but across the border that same story had a decidely more somber tone

That's not exactly heroic though, at all, even from the soldier's points of view (I doubt many of them really loved having to do it either)

I can see heroics of enemy soldiers in times of war and battle. Such as possibly a Japanese commander saving a platoon of his men, or a German soldier diving on a grenade to save his other men. You can't really say that the actions of that guy weren't heroic, and it was meant to be a focus on him.

This happened just after my friend got out of Mosul (He got home November '04) , wonder how long this guy was in country when it happened.

 

[Venmoch]

I'd much rather hear about the British Squad that did a bayonet charge against an Iraqi bunker and taking no casualties again.

 

[DeusExMachina]

I'd much rather hear about the British Squad that did a bayonet charge against an Iraqi bunker and taking no casualties again.

British ftw.

 

[CptStern]

That's not exactly heroic though, at all, even from the soldier's points of view (I doubt many of them really loved having to do it either)

I can see heroics of enemy soldiers in times of war and battle. Such as possibly a Japanese commander saving a platoon of his men, or a German soldier diving on a grenade to save his other men. You can't really say that the actions of that guy weren't heroic, and it was meant to be a focus on him.

This happened just after my friend got out of Mosul (He got home November '04) , wonder how long this guy was in country when it happened.

yes but I'm saying one persons hero is another person terrorist/evil-doer

 

[French Ninja]

Why was my post deleted?

Im not aloud to feel sorry for the people who died, becuase of US imperialism.

US imperialism?
Ha!
That's funny coming from the country that messed up most of Africa and potentially India and China though imperialism. Oh I won't put all the blame on your country though.(The rest of your Euro-buddies are equally responsible. Maji Maji, anyone?)
Two military operations(which your country participated in)to overthrow either theocratic or totalitarian governments with plans to hand over power =/ Evil American Empire which you are implying.

 

[Kangy]

US imperialism?
(The rest of your Euro-buddies are equally responsible. Maji Maji, anyone?)

I don't really think it's fair to say that anyone else in Europe was a friend of the UK during that period of history, considering we had to defeat them on a regular basis.

Also, I don't really think it's fair to use mistakes made by previous generations to nullify the argument of somebody arguing today. They're different people with different views.

 

[Solaris]

Im against british imperialism to.

The defeat of American forces in Iraq is critical, to stopping there imperilalist offensive began at the start of the first gulf war.

 

[DeusExMachina]

Gulf War? Began Around the 1950s, in a little place called Korea.

 

[Solaris]

Lol back to that british bayonet story I read it in times last year and just though: "Wtf, they bayonetted a trench, that can't be right". When both sides have loaded guns, why would you charge someone with a bayonet, if your close enough to stab them you were close enough to shoot them ages ago.


Yes, if the storys true , then that soldiers actions wer brave, Im not going to say herioc becuase of the bigger picture. It was a brave thing to do, but Im not going to celebrate it.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I'd much rather hear about the British Squad that did a bayonet charge against an Iraqi bunker and taking no casualties again.

Oh man I read that story. Pretty incredible. You should post the article or such, I can't find it but I remember reading it before.

At Solaris:
There's a lot more CQB that goes hand to hand than you'd expect, particularly in raids in closed perimeters. Grappling taught in basic isn't really a waste/holdover from old times, it still applies (hence it has evolved from training with the old timey FULL bayonet charge, to just a grappling/surviving scenerio)

 

[Glirk Dient]

Solaris you are an idiot. There is a lot of hand to hand combat in war. Bayonets are there for a reason, because they are used. They aren't for show during war. Maybe it is just because of our American imperialism I guess.

 

[Kangy]

Oh man I read that story. Pretty incredible. You should post the article or such, I can't find it but I remember reading it before.

At Solaris:
There's a lot more CQB that goes hand to hand than you'd expect, particularly in raids in closed perimeters. Grappling taught in basic isn't really a waste/holdover from old times, it still applies (hence it has evolved from training with the old timey FULL bayonet charge, to just a grappling/surviving scenerio)

Here's the link.

Yeah, both are pretty incredible stories. The thing that struck me about the second is that the terrorists assaulting them must have been completely surprised by that attack. Both of them did very well, it's nice to see that the bayonet charge is still useful even against all the modern technology today