A Very Tough Choice

[falconwind]

Another hypothetical scenario.

So, here is a simple, but relatively difficult (I think) question that should test not only your political leanings, but your morals, ethics, values, and worldview.

The year is 1950, WW2 is over, and the forces of Nazi Germany and Communist Russia have taken hold of the entire world while fighting each other. Hitler still lives, and Stalin still opposes him.

You live in city divided straight down the middle by the German-Russian border (like Berlin in real history). You are given a choice, whether or not to live in the USSR , or the Third Reich .

The Question:

Which one would you rather live in? Or could you not stand to live in either? Or maybe you'd live in one or the other for a specific reason?


Could someone add an anonymous poll with the choices USSR, Third Reich, and Suicide? Sorry, forgot.

 

[nicrd]

not suicide. I'd join the rebels, fight the oppresors and probably die.

Seriously, I would prefer URSS.

 

[oldagerocker]

USSR... i wouldnt support mass genocide. The USSR wern't 'evil' were they? they stood for a type of regiem and ideal, which is fair enough.. it just doesnt work, but they cant help that.

 

[nicrd]

USSR... i wouldnt support mass genocide. The USSR wern't 'evil' were they? they stood for a type of regiem and ideal, which is fair enough.. it just doesnt work, but they cant help that.

USSR or communism is not evil, but Staline was.

 

[gh0st]

yeah id have to join a guerilla movement.

 

[The Mullinator]

USSR... i wouldnt support mass genocide. The USSR wern't 'evil' were they? they stood for a type of regiem and ideal, which is fair enough.. it just doesnt work, but they cant help that.

Stalin commited mass murder as well. Both sides would be pretty much equally evil. I would either join a guerilla movement or go into exile living alone in the wilderness as a hermit for a few years and then check up on what is happening.

If I didn't have a choice and would have to live in one or the other I would choose the USSR since a few friends of mine say I look somewhat Jewish (i'm not actually Jewish though).

 

[falconwind]

Yep, both are pretty bad. Both have killed many innocent people, and both are lead by insane/evil leaders. To be fair, Stalin death toll, IIRC, is peanuts compared to Hitler. And plus, it didn't have anything to do with ethnic cleansing.

I, personally, would go for the USSR, since at least their ideals are sort of noble. Whereas "white power!" is not exactly something you can spin to look good. (unless you're white).

Man, we need a poll.

 

[gh0st]

I, personally, would go for the USSR, since at least their ideals are sort of noble. Whereas "white power!" is not exactly something you can spin to look good. (unless you're white).

no. you couldent be more wrong. the USSR directly or indirectly killed almost 62 million people (by means of genocide) in its rather short (70 or so) year history, most in stalins time. hitler killed about 6 million.

 

[Shad0hawK]

USSR... i wouldnt support mass genocide. The USSR wern't 'evil' were they? they stood for a type of regiem and ideal, which is fair enough.. it just doesnt work, but they cant help that.

actually they both practiced genocide, stalin was responsible for more deaths then hitler was.

 

[falconwind]

no. you couldent be more wrong. the USSR directly or indirectly killed almost 62 million people (by means of genocide) in its rather short (70 or so) year history, most in stalins time. hitler killed about 6 million.

So is that a vote for the Third Reich, then?

'Cause Hitler directly killed 6 million in a much shorter time frame.

 

[The Mullinator]

Personally I wouldn't go by the total number of people killed at all. The fact is both countries would be likely to kill you. In Germany you would stand a better chance if you are white with blond hair and blue eyes. In Russia I get the feeling most people have pretty much an equal chance of dying.

I would make the decision based on who you are physically and mentally. Which country would be less likely to kill you based on that?

 

[seinfeldrules]

I'd move to America...


Meh, in all seriousness I would join a resistance mov't.

 

[gh0st]

So is that a vote for the Third Reich, then?

'Cause Hitler directly killed 6 million in a much shorter time frame.

i said my vote is for a resistance movment. hitler killed 6 million people during ww2, but see how many people stalin killed before and after in a MUCH shorter time period. i get the feeling your saying that with no prior knowledge of... welll.. anything.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I'd be killed in the Third Reich due to my beliefs.
I'd be killed in the USSR due to my beliefs.

So either way living in one is not an option, as I'd be a fugitive in both, hunted/rounded up.

My philosophy is: Live Free or Die.

 

[seinfeldrules]

I'd be killed in the Third Reich due to my beliefs.
I'd be killed in the USSR due to my beliefs.

So either way living in one is not an option, as I'd be a fugitive in both, hunted/rounded up.

My philosophy is: Live Free or Die.

Meh, I live in NH and its not as fun as it sounds.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Meh, I live in NH and its not as fun as it sounds.

You still have the constitutional right to pursue happiness, and the freedom to leave if you please.

 

[seinfeldrules]

You still have the constitutional right to pursue happiness, and the freedom to leave if you please.

Not sure if you caught it, but its the state moto of NH. :afro:

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Not sure if you caught it, but its the state moto of NH. :afro:

Haha.. oh I see.

 

[el Chi]

USSR or communism is not evil, but Staline was.

Stalin, apart from the Terror of course, did a remarkable amount for the USSR in his time. Think about this: when he took the helm (after Lenin explicitly said that he shouldn't) Russia, as it then was, was a very basic agricultural country, with a vast underdeveloped peasant population and by the end of his reign, Russia was a properly industrialised super-power on the verge of sending people into space that had endured the bloodiest wounds of the second world war of any other fighting nation and come out on top. I don't care what you say, that's an astonishing achievment. Of course there was a lot of blood to pay this.
Hitler didn't improve his country in this way. Hitler wasn't quite so oppressive. Unless you were Jewish, of course. Or a gypsy. Or a Communist. Or homosexual. Or an intellectual. Or... Yeah Hitler was very oppressive. Although, I'm an aryan so I'd get away with that. But that's not the f*cking point, ofcourse.

Anyway. I'd go for the USSR. I'm a bit of a dirty Socialist anyway, and Hitler's ideals and the extent to which he saturated the country and populous with them is just too repellent to even contemplate.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

Stalin had the guy who oversaw the purges executed, because he seemed to be meeting an awful lot of people who were put on trial and killed

I don't really think living in either country would be better necessarily...You can't really play the numbers game when it comes to loss of human life at this scale, and the oppresivness of regimes such as the ones we are talking about.

 

[el Chi]

You can't really play the numbers game when it comes to loss of human life at this scale,

"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of one million a statistic." - Stalin

 

[Absinthe]

The guerilla movement option, I feel, is a cop-out on this subject. Of course I would prefer not to live in either country. Of course I'd like to join some kind of resistance instead. But that's a given.

If you had to choose those two (and I mean ONLY THOSE TWO), which one would you pick?

I'd probably live in Nazi Germany. Since I'm white, blue-eyed, and don't come from a Jewish background, my chances of getting killed aren't that high. In the USSR, your chances of dying were pretty much equal to everybody else's (quite high) regardless of who you were.

 

[The Monkey]

If I were an arian, Germany, if I were something else, USSR. The quality of live is probably in Nazi-Germany, while the USSR killed tens of millions of people just to scare the population. That happend of course in Germany too, but not in the same numbers, at least not when it came to blond, strait, white people. Of course both of these regims were awful beyond imagination, but I would acctaully choose Nazi-Germany.

 

[The Monkey]

To be fair, Stalin death toll, IIRC, is peanuts compared to Hitler.

No, Stalin costed more lives, about 80 millions, Hitler: 60 millions. Mao: 120 millions.

 

[falconwind]

No, Stalin costed more lives, about 80 millions, Hitler: 60 millions. Mao: 120 millions.

Yeah, I was wrong about that, actually. I used to know quite a bit about the particulars of WW2 and both Communist Russia and Nazi Germany, but I've since forgotten much of it. I was never good with numbers, either.

 

[falconwind]

i said my vote is for a resistance movment. hitler killed 6 million people during ww2, but see how many people stalin killed before and after in a MUCH shorter time period. i get the feeling your saying that with no prior knowledge of... welll.. anything.

I know more than most people, but I admit that I am horrible with remembering numbers. It's been a few years too. I guess I forgot. My apologies.

 

[falconwind]

The guerilla movement option, I feel, is a cop-out on this subject. Of course I would prefer not to live in either country. Of course I'd like to join some kind of resistance instead. But that's a given.

If you had to choose those two (and I mean ONLY THOSE TWO), which one would you pick?

I'd probably live in Nazi Germany. Since I'm white, blue-eyed, and don't come from a Jewish background, my chances of getting killed aren't that high. In the USSR, your chances of dying were pretty much equal to everybody else's (quite high) regardless of who you were.

Yeah, the resistance choice (which wasn't even one of the choices, btw) is indeed a side-stepping tactic, because it doesn't make the decision hard.

And whomever said they'd move to America obviously didn't read my post very well. It wouldn't exist.

 

[Spartan]

Another hypothetical scenario.

So, here is a simple, but relatively difficult (I think) question that should test not only your political leanings, but your morals, ethics, values, and worldview.

The year is 1950, WW2 is over, and the forces of Nazi Germany and Communist Russia have taken hold of the entire world while fighting each other. Hitler still lives, and Stalin still opposes him.

You live in city divided straight down the middle by the German-Russian border (like Berlin in real history). You are given a choice, whether or not to live in the USSR , or the Third Reich .

The Question:

Which one would you rather live in? Or could you not stand to live in either? Or maybe you'd live in one or the other for a specific reason?


Could someone add an anonymous poll with the choices USSR, Third Reich, and Suicide? Sorry, forgot.

Easy question, easy answer.

Stalin mindlessly executed random citizens and generally kept everyone on their toes. Hitler had a specific group in mind: the jews. So, assuming that I wasn't a jew in this scenario, I'd stay in Germany. As far as I know my history, I wouldn't be in much danger from the government.

 

[Dedalus]

"The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of one million a statistic." - Stalin

that's from C&C: Red Alert!



i dunno if stalin actually said that in real life though :/

 

[MadHatter]

German controlled lands.

I have many reasons why; two being German beer and another being British lasses.

 

[gh0st]

ok, aside from a resistance movement id go to germany. especially because of brautwurst

 

[K e r b e r o s]

The year is 1950, WW2 is over, and the forces of Nazi Germany and Communist Russia have taken hold of the entire world while fighting each other. Hitler still lives, and Stalin still opposes him.

First, Hitler would'nt have been alive:

• Proven, was that Hitler at a young age was infected with a disease known as Syphilis. Its been speculated that his mother could've contained a T Infection of Syphilis, although, researchers have very little about her medical records to trial Hitler's early run-ins with the disease.
• a1. (Subordinate Fact): Syphilis is a sexually transmitted disease that can range from creating such effects as Skin rashes, to brain inflammations. Nethire of them, are beneficial to the hosts, and it is known the disease can weaken the immune system.
• Hitler, had a very weak immune system as a result of the disease, and suffered inflammations and often, unusual nose bleeds because of this. He had to frequent a doctor many times during the Rise and Fall of the third Reich, and even had one of his own doctors, put to execution.
• Because of the colds, he needed medicines that would both reinforce his immune system, and gain him functionaltiy without horrible side effects occuring. It is estimated that sometimes during a single day, he would take as many as 12 pills to help himself cope with the diseases effects. Because Brain Surgeory (SP) or more advanced medicines were'nt available during the 1930's and 40's, many of the people who suffered from the disease, including Hitler, had to sit through it and see how long they could live. Syphilis is'int always fatal, and it has multiple side-effects; however, Hitler got the worst. It was said that during 1945 or 1946, if Hitler had'nt commited suicide in the Reichsbunker, he would've died due to the disease.
• Next, you have to theoritically assume, that the attempts on Hitler's life at some point, would've succeeded at either killing him, or incapcitating him from functioning normally. He had horrible sleep habits, and this copelled with his sicknesses, would've almost surely killed him before the 1950's.
• Next, people forget how old Hitler was. Here's a question: How old was he, at the time of 1945? Include that, with all of his sicknesses and the drugs he took -- now the picture is looking grim.
• Including Syphilis, his brain suffered from slowly growing, and infecting tumors. There most notable peak on Hitler, was during January 1945.

His own leaders were worried about his condition, and however slightly excited. If the Germans were going to wait the allies out, or conquer him, either way you look at it, Hitler would've died.

So, whose in charge now? Rommel?

...

Choices. If I had to choose between the Soviets and Germans, I'd go with the Germans. Excluding all the emotional bit, German Helmets simply look cool.

I'd like to spawn as a Stosstruppen plz.

'Cause Hitler directly killed 6 million in a much shorter time frame.

No, your wrong. The Genocides for Nazi Germany, did'nt start until 1937.

It ended officially in 1945.

The Russians with the Soviet GuLAGs (look up, Kolyma in google), were able to take 21.7 million lives during the entire time frame of their entry to the war, and their ending out of it.

Kolyma, a soviet GuLAG, has acclaimed the highest killed figure in six months. 3 million people, in six months.

However, from 1917, to 1983, the Soviets claimed 40-50 million lives.

Speed does not matter, nor does it make it worse. What matters is, if it still went on. Hitler was stopped. Stalin was not.

 

[jefrix]

WOW what a question! yet the answer is pretty straitforward...

The Nazi's were anti-minority; ala jews, gypsies etc...if you weren't a minority, you were pretty safe...Stalin was anti-intelliginzia, and anti-whoever his paranoia struck him that day; so unless you were a minority, you probably would have lived better under hitler...just dye your hair blonde and wear blue contacts...

 

[Revisedsoul]

most likly i wouldnt have much of a say seeing as my grandfather was member of the SS.