Abortion and Privacy

[kmack]

So you just got born in the U.S. and have a nice shiny Constitution and a load of Ammendments to protect you in all aspects of your free life. But what about your privacy. Privacy is important to everyone, it governs what can and can't be shared with others, it protects us from exploitation. Unfortunatly there is nothing about privacy in the Constitution, a few ammendments hint at it(IX for example) and it can be argued to be inherent in the Bill Of Rights (3rd 4th 5th) but it really boils down to a few key court cases that uphold our rights to privacy. Our right to privacy hinges on several key court cases, with a common theme. several controversial Supreme Court rulings, including several dealing with contraception (the Griswold and Eisenstadt cases) and abortion (the well-known Roe v. Wade case). As you know, Abortion is a hotly contested area of politics with the "culture of life" promoted by our President, and various pro choice groups and pro life groups. As for the contraception religious groups have long been opposed to it and at present a harsh debate on the over the counter morning after pill wages.

Normally I would not be concerned, but with the recent Patriot Act assaulting our privacy I fell concerned that turning over roe v wade can lead to an increase in the power of government and a decrease in our rights to privacy as private citizens.

Not a conspiracy theory, I assure you, simply a little concern ( and mild interest) in our rights to privacy.

How do you feel about the possible loss of privacy (by any means)?

 

[Kebean PFC]

I do not like any loss of privacy. No matter who you are and what you do, you do not need to know every aspect of my life.

 

[Razor]

I won't mind a bit of a loss of privacy if it ment that criminals got caught a lot faster, crime dropped and i didn't have to go out during the day or at night in fear. If to do that, everyone's dna was taken, finger prints taken, had to carry an id card at all times, i wouldn't care, it would be a small price to pay for me to feel safe. There is a line i won't cross though i.e. cctv camera in my bedroom or toilet...

But what does the privacy bill have to do with abortion? Probably not familiar with the court cases but you didn't really give much of a link between abortion and the new "patriot" act coming in.

 

[kmack]

But what does the privacy bill have to do with abortion? Probably not familiar with the court cases but you didn't really give much of a link between abortion and the new "patriot" act coming in.

the patriot act has nothing to do with abortion, it is simply the thing that got me worried about losing privacy.

Roe V Wade (gives the woman her right to choose) is one of the few supreme court cases that deal with (and uphold) our privacy. If it is repealed our rights to privacy will become thinner and thinner. I would not normally be concerned with my privacy but when the government whips out a Patriot Act, I start to think that maybe we should be a bit worried about losing it.

 

[The Monkey]

Don't you thinl it's time to re-write your constitution? It's 230 years old and is based on values that don't exist today...

 

[kmack]

Don't you thinl it's time to re-write your constitution? It's 230 years old and is based on values that don't exist today...

thats what the supreme court decisions (as well as the ammendments do), in the constitution, black men used to be only 1/3 of a citizen, that needed to be changed. What we don't need is the repealing of supreme court decisions (like roe v wade) because there is a depth to them that effects more aspects of our lives than some people suspect.

 

[Solaris]

Sorry your constituion now stands for f**k all, the patriot act has wiped its ass on it.
Shame really, thought you guys were freedom lovers?

 

[The Monkey]

thats what the supreme court decisions (as well as the ammendments do), in the constitution, black men used to be only 1/3 of a citizen, that needed to be changed. What we don't need is the repealing of supreme court decisions (like roe v wade) because there is a depth to them that effects more aspects of our lives than some people suspect.

What if you redid the whole thing from scratch? Think about it...

 

[kmack]

What if you redid the whole thing from scratch? Think about it...

a good idea, but who gets to write it?

unless religious fanatics get to write it, it will never be allowed

 

[Absinthe]

If to do that, everyone's dna was taken, finger prints taken, had to carry an id card at all times, i wouldn't care, it would be a small price to pay for me to feel safe.

Maybe you would. I would find it very uncomfortable and would be quite afraid of the precedent it sets. Having my all DNA recorded can result in so many ethically questionable implications.

 

[Bodacious]

There is no such thing as privacy.

Got a cell phone? Anyone can listen to any conversation you have. If you make a phone call, law enforcement will know exactly where you were.

Got a credit card? As soon as you use it they have you.

If you want privacy you might as well go be like Ted Kazynski without bombing people.

 

[kirovman]

There is no such thing as privacy.

Got a cell phone? Anyone can listen to any conversation you have. If you make a phone call, law enforcement will know exactly where you were.

Got a credit card? As soon as you use it they have you.

If you want privacy you might as well go be like Ted Kazynski without bombing people.

So that makes it perfectly acceptable for cameras to be watching you when you take a dump...

 

[short recoil]

Well as far as i see it "security" must be from other humans, why should i trust another human with my own life as such, call it backwards or crude but i'm for myself.

Intense security measures are a slippery slope, ending up with a police state = bad.

I hate the Seperation of government or state and "people", i will naturally resist it.

A one track life would come from a police state, you would have to go to work, you would have to report your movements, or they are followed automatically.
In my life i do not want to be a "sheep", herded to do things or do what other people have done before me, otherwise there is no point in me being alive.

Freedom is very important to me, i hate the thought that another human can have the "legal" right to lock me up for my life, now if i do not go along with a countries such "security measures" then they can lock me up?......being forced into something.

I hate being a defenseless human clutching to the back of the government like a pale baby scorpion.

 

[the_lone_wolf]

Maybe you would. I would find it very uncomfortable and would be quite afraid of the precedent it sets. Having my all DNA recorded can result in so many ethically questionable implications.

agreed, i'm certainly no criminal and even if it would make the streets marginally safer i wouldn't want my DNA/prints/other info on file.

thankfully i suspect if blair were to try it on he'd get "pwned" by the european court of human rights in some way

 

[kmack]

I hate being a defenseless human clutching to the back of the government like a pale baby scorpion.

thats a nice simile

 

[Bodacious]

So that makes it perfectly acceptable for cameras to be watching you when you take a dump...

I didn't say that.

 

[kmack]

I didn't say that.

thank god, that would be creepy :thumbs: