Afghanistan: Freedom Marches on. New Taliban style bill bans video games

[CptStern]

new bill may ban video games, women wearing makup/pigeon flying ...pigeon flying? is this immoral somehow?

"Parliament body drafts Taliban-style moral law in Afghanistan

KABUL: An Afghan legislative committee has drafted a bill seeking to introduce Taliban-style Islamic morality codes banning women from wearing make-up in public and forbidding young boys from wearing female fashions.

The draft, a copy of which was obtained by AFP, needs approval by both chambers of the Islamist-dominated parliament and President Hamid Karzai signature to become a law. "Women and girls are obliged to not wear make-up, wear suitable dresses and observe hijab (veil) while at work or classrooms," said one article of the draft.

It also aims to ban women dancers performing during concerts and other public events as well as on television.

"The mass media including television and cable networks must avoid broadcasting programmes against Islamic morals," it said without giving details. In a similar move the parliament, which is dominated by former anti-Soviet Islamist warlords, called earlier this month for a ban on dancing and Indian soap dramas on private television networks. Men and young boys must avoid wearing bracelets, necklaces, "feminist dresses," and hair-bands, the draft reads. The proposals also demand an end to dog and bird-fighting, pigeon-flying, billiards and video games, all past times favoured by many Afghans."

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\04\17\story_17-4-2008_pg7_5

glad to see how much money the west is spending on turning Afghaistan from a radical hotbed where law is based on religious principles to a nation where law is based on religious principles ....oh wait



in the immotal words of Roger Daltrey of the Who:

"meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

 

[soulslicer]

Islamic laws are just getting more and more ****ed up. The end is nigh for their society.

The one thing I hate most about Islamic Law is their whole "eye for an eye" punishments. You killed him, you must be killed. You flogged him, you must be flogged. You blinded him, you experience the same thing. It's quite stupid to continue this in today's society. As seen from the story below

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3313207.stm
and
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f—news/1434247/posts

Here is a website with an article showing how Sharia has actually failed by infringing on human rights etc. Intensely graphics stuff here, I remember seeing severed hands and faces etc. A very good read with various articles dating back to the 90's on the various extremes that the Sharia Law has been used or misused as.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html

 

[CptStern]

Islamic laws are just getting more and more ****ed up. The end is nigh for their society.

The one thing I hate most about Islamic Law is their whole "eye for an eye" punishments. You killed him, you must be killed. You flogged him, you must be flogged. You blinded him, you experience the same thing. It's quite stupid to continue this in today's society. As seen from the story below

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3313207.stm
and
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f—news/1434247/posts

Here is a website with an article showing how Sharia has actually failed by infringing on human rights etc. Intensely graphics stuff here, I remember seeing severed hands and faces etc.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html

oh give me a break, you're being a hypocrite: you're from singapore your entire punishmnet system relies on the "eye for an eye" mentality ..you execute people at the drop of a hat ..in some cases for crimes that wouldnt get them jailtime in other parts of the world .

 

[soulslicer]

What are you talking about. I'm not trying to argue with you here but although I agree that Singapore Law is rather extreme compared to most nations, you get fined for the smallest of things, you get jailtime for opposing the ruling political party, such as by speaking out against them etc. (probably where our one party system charade of 50 years has begun to show it's weaknesses.) We have an "eye for an eye" mentality to an extent, but unlike what you said, we don't go around executing people. Only a murder case is to be given the death penalty here, and the possession and sale of drugs as well (but that's in most nations anyway). And even in murder cases, if signs of remorse, metal conditions etc. are found, you will be either given a life sentence or given parole after a few years.

My post's point was just to say that certain Sharia laws are quite extreme, and I don't see how you are relating it with my country.

 

[CptStern]

What are you talking about. I'm not trying to argue with you here but although I agree that Singapore Law is rather extreme compared to most nations, you get fined for the smallest of things, you get jailtime for opposing the ruling political party, such as by speaking out against them etc. (probably where our one party system charade of 50 years has begun to show it's weaknesses.) We have an "eye for an eye" mentality to an extent, but unlike what you said, we don't go around executing people. Only a murder case is to be given the death penalty here, and the possession and sale of drugs as well (but that's in most nations anyway).

what developed nations have the death penalty for simple possession? and it's not even just simple possession ..if you have a key to a house that may have been used to sell drugs you'd have an appointment with the hangman's noose

Any person who has in their possession a key to a premises where drugs are found is presumed to be in possession of the drugs since "Any person who is proved to have had in his possession or custody or under his control ?

(a) anything containing a controlled drug;

(b) the keys of anything containing a controlled drug;

(c) the keys of any place or premises or any part thereof in which a controlled drug is found; or

(d) a document of title relating to a controlled drug or any other document intended for the delivery of a controlled drug,

shall, until the contrary is proved, be presumed to have had that drug in his possession."

and it's not just murder or drug possession but a whole litany of offenses that wouldnt get more than a suspended sentence in some jurisdictions:

The Arms Offences Act regulates firearms offences.[21] Any person who uses or attempts to use arms (Section 4) can face execution, as well as any person who uses or attempts to use arms to commit scheduled offences (Section 4A). These scheduled offences are:- being a member of an unlawful assembly; rioting; certain offences against the person; abduction or kidnapping; extortion; burglary; robbery; preventing or resisting arrest; vandalism; mischief. Any person who is an accomplice (Section 5) to a person convicted of arms use during a scheduled offence can likewise be executed.

Trafficking in arms (Section 6) is a capital offence in Singapore. Under the Arms Offences Act, trafficking is defined as being in unlawful possession of more than two firearms.

the point here isnt whether islamic law is stupid or not it's the fact that Afghanistan is reverting to what they were when the Taliban were in power, calling into question tat whole idiotic nonsense of "bringing freedom to afghanistan" ...the mission to afghaistian is called Operation Enduring Freedom ffs:

Seizing upon a power vacuum after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan after their invasion, the Taliban assumed the role of government from 1996-2001. Their extreme interpretation of Islamic law prompted them to ban music, television, sports, and dancing, and enforce harsh judicial penalties

 

[Llama]

Only a murder case is to be given the death penalty here, and the possession and sale of drugs as well (but that's in most nations anyway).

Rubbish
What other developed & civilised countries hand out the death penalty for drugs?

USA? No
UK ? No
France? No
Germany? No
Etc.

 

[CptStern]

Rubbish
What other developed & civilised countries hand out the death penalty for drugs?

USA? No
UK ? No
France? No
Germany? No
Etc.

it's not just for possession ..if you're growing pot in your garden shed and are caught your parents (having a key to the garden shed) could also face the death penalty ...simply for possessing a key ..it doesnt even matter if they know about it or not because it is written in the law that it is ASSUMED they know about it


but lets not turn this into a drug debate ..or whether islamic law is stupid or not debate (it is, lets move on)

 

[Eejit]

Wait, this bill is just a draft right? Any idea how much actual suppport it's expected to recieve before we get too worked up?

 

[CptStern]

Wait, this bill is just a draft right? Any idea how much actual suppport it's expected to recieve before we get too worked up?

I'd say chances are pretty good:

The draft, a copy of which was obtained by AFP, needs approval by both chambers of the Islamist-dominated parliament and President Hamid Karzai signature to become a law

 

[nurizeko]

Come on guys, its Afghanistan, not cosmopolitan Europe, deeply Islamic country, when given democracy proposes deeply Islamic bills, go figure.

Oh and Stern, stop trying to flamebait the Singapore members, thats beneath you.

The laws and judicial system of Singapore are not on topic, and I am amazed you tried to derail your own thread. :/

 

[Dan]

Islamic laws are just getting more and more ****ed up. The end is nigh for their society.

The one thing I hate most about Islamic Law is their whole "eye for an eye" punishments. You killed him, you must be killed. You flogged him, you must be flogged. You blinded him, you experience the same thing. It's quite stupid to continue this in today's society. As seen from the story below

The American penal system is hardly a shining beacon for criminal punishment. The American punishment system pretty much loses in every statistical measure.

 

[CptStern]

Come on guys, its Afghanistan, not cosmopolitan Europe, deeply Islamic country, when given democracy proposes deeply Islamic bills, go figure.

which was pretty much what the Taliban did ...which the west spent a considerable amount of tax payer money getting rid off

Oh and Stern, stop trying to flamebait the Singapore members, thats beneath you.

The laws and judicial system of Singapore are not on topic, and I am amazed you tried to derail your own thread. :/

who's derailing? I just commented on his hypocrisy ..plus it wasnt the focus of the thread which would have led to it derailing into a debate on how stupid religion is ..there's a ton of threads on that same topic we dont need another

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

To be fair, as far as I know Singapore law does not make it legal (and it certianly doesn't encourage) you do beat your wife, whip rape victims, cut off the hands of thieves, marry little girls to old men, etc.

Need I go on?

 

[CptStern]

only because it's a secular government ..introduce religion into the mix and it's lop off heads/subjugate like the rest of them

 

[jverne]

Wait, this bill is just a draft right? Any idea how much actual suppport it's expected to recieve before we get too worked up?

what? you're concerned that Muslims actually like having a radical, repressive law?

well duh, their religion tells them to, and it's not too covert in doing that.

 

[Eejit]

No, I'm just wondering if it'll be passed. They're Muslims but they're also politicians...

 

[K e r b e r o s]

"meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

Wonder how Bush is taking this one? Oh! I know how!

Bhut, Fhreedom Fhreedom Fhreedom. Really, c'mon -- that was part of our incentive to hit Afghanistan anyway. Not to prevent it from being a country that was denominationally islamic, but one that was free republic of it.

 

[Adabiviak]

Extreme Islamist Law is Extreme. At least they're not being pansies about it. If you're going to run a militant theocracy, don't F around!


/sarcasm

 

[Escaep]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Felt like saying that.