Ah-nold terminates same sex marriage bill

[CptStern]

Hasta la vista, equal rights


"California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in a widely expected move vetoed a bill on Thursday that would have allowed gay couples to marry.

The Republican governor had said earlier this month that he would veto the bill passed by California's Democrat-led legislature. The bill was the first of its kind approved by a state legislature.

Schwarzenegger said he would leave the issue of same-sex marriage to the courts and voters, who approved a ballot measure five years ago defining marriage as between a man and woman.


California Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez criticized Schwarzenegger's veto.

"Instead of choosing the way of the future the governor has aligned himself with the enemies of equal rights for all," Nunez said in a statement.

 

[dream431ca]

It's his decision. Most of the people in California probably do not want that to pass anyway.

 

[Ikerous]

Why the hell couldnt we have elected a decent governor? Wtf?
I live in california and know some people that would've really benefited from such a law, its a real shame.

It's his decision. Most of the people in California probably do not want that to pass anyway.

California is one of the most liberal states there are...
I definitely think if we were to vote on the issue again, it'd pass
The general opinion on the subject has changed a lot in the last five years

 

[JNightshade]

As optimistic as I can be sometimes, I simply couldn't see him letting that pass. He's just a bully in a suit.

 

[gh0st]

Schwarzenegger said he would leave the issue of same-sex marriage to the courts and voters, who approved a ballot measure five years ago defining marriage as between a man and woman.

so you support someone who will singlehandedly define to voters what marriage is? ha you sure as hell hate unilateral action when it isnt on your side, lets try and drop the hypocricy. arnold is doing what the voters decided in proposition 22, he's not letting a bunch of activist politicians decide for the morals of millions of people.

 

[Ikerous]

so you support someone who will singlehandedly define to voters what marriage is? ha you sure as hell hate unilateral action when it isnt on your side, lets try and drop the hypocricy. arnold is doing what the voters decided in proposition 22, he's not letting a bunch of activist politicians decide for the morals of millions of people.

I approve of unilaterl action when it protects the rights of the minority from the majority

Oh well, i guess it doesn't really matter.
Hopefully we'll get to vote on it in '06

 

[Sulkdodds]

Woohoo. Doesn't San Francisco, for instance, have a very large gay community?

 

[Lucid]

I guess Ah-nold doesn't want any girly-men in his state. o.o

No offense to anyone here who may be gay.

 

[kirovman]

"I believe that gay marriage should be between a man and a woman" :E

 

[Kmack]

funny, didnt he run on the grounds of tolerance towards same-sex marriage? I don't remember, but, could this be a case of a republican not doing what he said would?

 

[Lt. Drebin]

If this is about morals, the question is what helps define your morals?? How do you define marraige??

How many people in this country get married in a church or temple or whatever before God? How many people let religion define their moral fabric? If a man and a woman get married before a judge, is it a marraige sancified and blessed by God? Is it any less of a bond because it wasn't done in a church?

Catholics, Christians, etc all frown on gays....so they don't let them get married in a church. End of story. Who cares, it's their religion, and it's what they believe. But, what in the hell does morality have to do with two people going before a judge and getting a legal contract drawn up between the two? Morality?? A bigger question, why are we allowing, more and more, morals ground in religious faith to penetrate our LEGAL system. This stuff is alarming. If we're so concerned about morals, why do we let corporations merge for the sole purpose of firing thousands and lining the pockets of shareholders?? Is that moral? It's a contract, legally bound....usually reviewed by a federal judge. Where's the outrage from "moral people" when shit contracts like this are allowed to be drawn up every day in our courts....it's as bad as stealing. No one cares except those being fired. Does shit like that not tear at moral fabric?

What a joke, last I checked, everyone in this country has the right to life, liberty and freedom. I personally view any attempt to block gay marraige as a violation of the Constitution. I simply laugh at how selfish and narrow minded these people that truely believe gay marraige is horrible and a "moral-violation".

 

[Sulkdodds]

Arr. See the religious part is completely irrelevant. Gay people should be able to marry because it grants certain legal rights. The other solution would be to make everyone have 'civil unions' that are exactly the same, and 'marriage' for religious people which doesn't give any extra legal benefits. After all, America, your own bloody courts ruled that the doctrine of 'seperate but equal' has no place in your society.

 

[Lt. Drebin]

Arr. See the religious part is completely irrelevant.

Well, that's just plain naive. If you sit back and just watch and listen, you'll see that the religious voice (particularly catholics/christians) in this country is stonger than ever in the government. Part of their beliefs is that homosexuality is wrong...you do the math.

Hell, our president is talking to God as we speak.

 

[Top Secret]

Meh, his veto doesn't matter. It's still gonna get passed. =)

 

[Sulkdodds]

Well, that's just plain naive. If you sit back and just watch and listen, you'll see that the religious voice (particularly catholics/christians) in this country is stonger than ever in the government. Part of their beliefs is that homosexuality is wrong...you do the math.

I meant that in my own personal opinion religion should have nothing to do with marriage.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Schwarzenegger said he would leave the issue of same-sex marriage to the courts and voters

Arnold is wrong for leaving the issue to the people?

 

[Ikerous]

Arnold is wrong for leaving the issue to the people?

Yes.
6c

 

[S.L.]

That's wack. Now since gay couples can't have their right to privacy, we should make abortion illegal (though I wouldn't care if it was), have the government take the patriot's act one step further, and some more stuff.

Wtf, I just mentioned national issues. Well gay people should have their right to privacy like everyone else. I love cali man.

 

[Mith']

Well, that's just plain naive. If you sit back and just watch and listen, you'll see that the religious voice (particularly catholics/christians) in this country is stonger than ever in the government. Part of their beliefs is that homosexuality is wrong...you do the math.

Isn't part of their beliefs also that believing in other gods wrong?
So then only christians should be able to marry.. Or? :|

 

[Lt. Drebin]

Isn't part of their beliefs also that believing in other gods wrong?
So then only christians should be able to marry.. Or? :|

Wouldn't surprise me.........

 

[Lt. Drebin]

I meant that in my own personal opinion religion should have nothing to do with marriage.

Ahhhh. Sorry bout that. I totally agree.

 

[Kebean PFC]

Well he did follow the rule of the majority, so i cannot fualt him.

However, this should show up on the next ballot. Then if majority overrules this, the law should get repealed.

 

[xLostx]

go arnold go, he's made the right move

 

[the_ghost_of_you]

go arnold go, he's made the right move

Explain please?

 

[Kmack]

That's wack. Now since gay couples can't have their right to privacy, we should make abortion illegal (though I wouldn't care if it was), have the government take the patriot's act one step further, and some more stuff.

Wtf, I just mentioned national issues. Well gay people should have their right to privacy like everyone else. I love cali man.

haha, every time I remember the Patriot Act exists I just start laughing....then crying :x