Airstrike kills terror leader al-Zarqawi in Iraq

[Ludah]

Yeah, well, you could always take up the cause. Go ahead, your brothers are waiting...:|

In all honesty, the death of Zarqawi is in and of itself a good thing. The consequences of his death? That's another matter. Wether this dissuades or emboldens those who were inspired by him or under his control is to come. But I predict that things will continue as they already are with no visible change.

I would have preferred him to be taken alive. To stand trial for his actions and have justice metered out in a court of law, hopefully ending up locked away for life. Martyrdom wouldn't be such an issue in that case. But you can't really pick and choose these kind of things, and a dead Zarqawi is better than nothing.

Also, although I obviously don't know all the details yet, I reckon the statement about al Qaeda members tipping him off is a load. Probably just some psychological stunt to make them look at their fellow jihadists with a paranoid eye.

 

[CptStern]

What a super cool thing to say, Ludah...



By the way, I'd like to take this time to retract my public bashing of CptStern because I was acting like a total dick.

I'd also like to take the time to tell Stern to empty his damn PM's because the last part of my 3-part PM can't be sent ;P

made space for one more PM ..I'll have to take my time answering cuz I'm still busy getting caught up

 

[Solaris]

made space for one more PM ..I'll have to take my time answering cuz I'm still busy getting caught up

I've been trying to send you one for about a week.

why do you get so many and I get so few
Some-one send me one. It makes me feel special

 

[CptStern]

I've been trying to send you one for about a week.

why do you get so many and I get so few
Some-one send me one. It makes me feel special

heh to be honest not all of it is nice:

You have nothing going for you. Nobody likes you in real life, and nobody likes you online. You're probably ugly as hell too seeing that you have over 18 thousand posts. Only ugly people devote their lives to the internet.

You should kill yourself, because you won't amount to anything in this world.

Have a nice day, LOSER!

or

**** You douchebag!

You can do shit about it ****ing canadian! stop crying dumb ****, YOU DON'T LIVE HERE! HAHA

I broke his brain, he ranted like a madman and was eventually banned


btw sorry solaris, re-send it

 

[kathaksung]

1. Zargawi was dead two years ago.

He was revived by Pentagon and US intelligence because they need an excuse to remain in Iraq.

Quote, "«Iraq militants claim al-Zarqawi is dead»
AP 3/4/2004

«Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in the Sulaimaniyah mountains of northern Iraq, during the American bombing there, according to a statement circulated in Fallujah this week and signed by the Leadership of the Allahu Akbar Mujahedeen. There was no way to verify the authenticity of the statement, one of many leaflets put out by a variety of groups taking part in the anti-U.S. resistance.»

«It said al-Zarqawi was unable to escape the bombing because of his artificial leg.»

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/

2. the Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date."

The issurgence in Iraq are mostly the work done by special force of US intelligence and Pentagon. The victim of suicide bombing were Iraqi civilians.The target used to be religious shrines. The purpose is to provoke the conflict between Sunni and Shiitti. The insurgence gave US army an excuse to stay in Iraq: for more wars in Mid-east.

Quote, "Pentagon PSYOP Zarqawi Program

In an unusual twist, the Washington Post in a recent article, has acknowledged that the role of Zarqawi had been deliberately "magnified" by the Pentagon with a view to galvanizing public support for the US-UK led "war on terrorism":

"The Zarqawi campaign is discussed in several of the internal military documents. "Villainize Zarqawi/leverage xenophobia response," one U.S. military briefing from 2004 stated. It listed three methods: "Media operations," "Special Ops (626)" (a reference to Task Force 626, an elite U.S. military unit assigned primarily to hunt in Iraq for senior officials in Hussein's government) and "PSYOP," the U.S. military term for propaganda work..." (WP. 10 April 2006)

An internal document produced by U.S. military headquarters in Iraq, states that "the Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date." (WP, op cit).

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=CHO20060418&articleId=2275

3. Prepare for the mid-term election

Iran's stituation is softened. Iran may negotiate with the new offer from the 6 powers.

Be noticed the time. It's 6/7. Next day after 6/6 Primary election. Now it's time for the Mid-term election. The inside group still want GOP to control the White House. So they start to give Bush some acheivements. So they can justify why Bush's party can still win the coming election. Another psychological operation to control public's mind is starting. What they did is to sacrifice a fake image: Al Zarqawi. More "good news" will come. The strategy office of the fox prepared another show for the chickens.

 

[Sainku]

1. Zargawi was dead two years ago.

He was revived by Pentagon and US intelligence because they need an excuse to remain in Iraq.

Well, there you go. Proof that "Zargawi" is actually a zombie created by the CIA. I always knew it...you can see it in his eyes.

 

[Yuri]

This forum has exceeded its capacity of insane conspiracy theorists who make no effort to back their claims, thanks.

 

[CptStern]

I believe everything you refer to occurred during the Cold War. I don't deny that we consorted with some shady characters during that period. I think it was necessary to counter Soviet influence. You obviously disagree. Let me give you an analogy. I am currently a narcotics detective. In my position as a narcotics detective, it is absolutely necessary that I have contact with some really shady people in order to do my job effectively. All of my informants are working off felony charges. It sucks, but that's the way the game is played. If I took an absolutist view of the world, I would not be able to accomplish anything, because I would not be able to overlook what someone has done in order to get the bigger fish. Saddam was useful to us in the 80's to counter the influence of the Soviet Union in Iran. With the Soviet Union gone, he was no longer useful to us. He decided to get too big for his britches and he got dealt with. Like I said, it's how the game is played. Would we have been more or less wrong if we had allowed him to occupy Kuwait, decimate the Kurds and continue to support terrorism? You once accused me and "my ilk" of seeing the world in black and white, but I believe it is you that suffers from that condition.

training death/torture squads, orchestrating coups of democratically elected leaders, assasination by proxy, torture, sheltering wanted criminals and terrorists etc etc ...your analogy only works if you as a narcotics officer engaged in criminal acts

Since the Iraq invasion took place nearly two years later, what exactly does that prove?

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what? ...you asked me for sources on a point you said I couldnt prove ..well I just did and now you pretend it didnt matter ..makes me wonder what you would have said had I been unable to find a source

Semantics. Are you a lawyer or a web designer?

you prove my point

Not at all. Feel free. But don't act shocked when people challenge you.

challenge I dont mind, attacking me and ignoring the topic at hand I do

I agree there are some people on this forum who do that. I don't believe I am one of them. Most of the time we get along, except when you are in a bad mood.:cheese:

huh? yes most of the times you dont exhibit this type of behaviour, that's why I asked

Let's not forget, I have debunked at least one of your points. I am quite sure that given time I could debunk several more. Not all, but several. Unfortunately, I don't have the time anymore, which is why I don't post here very often anymore.

you like having the trump card dontcha? (ineffectual (at least on my part) as I didnt deny it). Be that as it may, that was a minor point in a whole series of points

Well, suffice to say that again, with a little time, I could debunk this. You have indeed attacked me personally. I still have our PM argument saved from WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY back, and I just read through it again. Unemotional is not how I would characterize it. As to premature victory, what are you talking about, with regard to this thread?

yes I'm sure you could dig up something else, pull it out of context and attach your own spin to it ...but I'm not hiding anything here, if I was less than nice it was most definately for a reason ...for every insult I've dished out I've absorbed at least 10 times that amount

I never said it was one sided. I was pointing out your general attitude that you are somehow being persecuted, when you do the same thing. I also remember that you had a fairly high warning level back in the day.

heh my opponents had twice as much ...ah Sgt_Shellback, how I made you crazy with hate that day you got 4 warnings in 4 consecutive posts for abuse/harrassment ..and countless others I wont mention by name ... sigh, good times ;(

 

[Zeus]

this is a major victory for america and the west in the war on terror. They finally did something right in iraq

 

[Ludah]

Hi!

ZOMBIQAWI

 

[Raziaar]

I think there are people out there who want us to ignore the atrocities some of these people commit, just so they won't have to worry about them coming into their own neck of the woods. So self centered.

 

[kathaksung]

Well, there you go. Proof that "Zargawi" is actually a zombie created by the CIA. I always knew it...you can see it in his eyes.

Sorry, this is not an interrogate room, this is not a court. I have no obligation to prove anything to you. I have provided the information and link for discuss. Hope you know it.

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413. Bombs do strange things. Zarqawi hoax (2) (6/15/06)

1. If US Army had the trace of Al Zarqawi, the most important thing was to capture him alive. Zarqawi is said the head of Al Qaida in Iraq. It would be a great information resource if Zarqawi was captured alive. Just see how CIA was accused of smuggling Al Qaida suspects from Europe to some other country to torture them for the information. How could they give up such an important information source?

Because this man was only a fake idol kept by the Pentagon and intelligence. He was of no value of intelligence. So they just finished the story with two 500 pound bomb.

2. There were six people died in this air strike: Al Zarqawi, his spiritual adviser, a girl, two women and an unidentified man. It was more a quiet civilian's residence than a terrorist head office when Zarqawi was described the mastermind of so many terror attacks.

3. Timing accuracy is very important in military action. So is their camera. There was a big flaw in the timing of "kill Zarqawi".

According to Mercury News (6/9): "The commanders ordered the planes to attack. It was 6;15.......two minutes later, according to the time stamp on a photo that American officials displayed on Thursday, US officials photographed Zarqawi's lifeless head..... The time of 6:17 p.m. was stamped in red ink in the bottom corner of the photo. " (By Nancy A. Youssef and Drew Brown, Knight Ridder)

Of course, things couldn't be done in two minutes. It took time for the two bombs attack; it took time for troops to enter the site, search and call ambulance, and there was even the story of Zarqawi's last moment struggle.

So where did that 6:17 pm come from? It was prepared in advance. The original story was Zargqwi died instantly in bombing. On the day of News releasing - 6/8 - in AOL message board, I saw threads saying it was a hoax that Zarqawi's body was put there in advance. Then there was the new story that Zarqawi was still alive after bombing. A story to eliminate the doubt of pre-plant. But the time stamp on photo exposed the truth. (the newest story was Zarqawi died 54 minutes after the bombing)

4. The biggest flaw is how could Zarqawi survive from the bombing? From the photo we saw the two story house was flatted to the ground. Concrete became rubble and debris. Iron bars twisted. Yet Zarqawi only had a little scratch on his face. His body was complete. He was said died of internal wound of lung. His bone seemed stronger than the iron bar. His flesh seemed harder than concrete.

"Bombs do strange things," said an Iraq soldier at the site, who did not want to be identified. (Mercury News 6/11)

If you think in other way, you won't feel strange. It was another PSYOP of government. On the purpose to justify the GOP victory in coming mid-term election. They left the body of the fake Zarqawi complete so the picture could ensure public that Zarqawi was dead. Because a limb or a body part was harder convincible than an intact face, from the angle of visional propaganda.(That face was still fresh because they just have shown you a tape that Zarqawi shooting the machine gun weeks ago) US seems have high tech. weapon which can blew the concrete into pieces while preserve the human body. And they have the story of struggling Zarqawi, the first arrived was Iraqi troop, even the story of "US troop beat Zarqawi to death"..... when you drop in the argument, you drop into the trap of "believe the story".

In my experience, in all framed case, Feds always prepared support group, "reliable witness". (Muhammad and Malvo were such a support team, unfortunately, they finally were picked as scapegoat) So they even can change the initial story. The story you have had were all came from the military mouth. But for me, I had another reason. I have alleged Nickberg was an informant of the Feds and the beheading tape was done inside the Abu Ghurayb. Now they said Zarqawi was the one who beheaded Nick Berg. Nothing strange. The beheading tape was used to tarnish the Islam as savage. Samething as the victims in Zarqawi's suicide bombing were mostly Iraqis. Zarqawi worked for the interest of Zionism and the Inside group and was used to hit Islam people.

I add one more sentence to my conclusion in message 407. From Moussaoui, Nick Berg to Zarqawi, there was a bridge linked them together.

Moussaoui was in OKC. He knew Nick Berg. He was the only "witness" of 911 attack.
Nick Berg was in OKC. He knew Moussaoui. He was in a beheading tape to vilify Muslim.
Zarqawi was in beheading tape to vilify Muslim. He was behind many suicide bombings each of which used to kill dozens of Iraqis.

The spy world is big. Feds infiltrates every corner in the country.
The spy world is also small. The big cases are that much. Where agents and informants met.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

nothing will change ...like the mythical hydra, another head will take it's place ..not that he was behind all the troubles in iraq

It's like when a general dies, the colonel takes its place. Nothing original. Nothing new.

Now, we just got Bin Laden to nab.

 

[kathaksung]

Is Zarqawi more an American than an Islamic? The text which they said from Zarqawi's computer.
It's another psyop from government. A typical disinformation.

Quote, "Most Main Stream Zarkawi Stories Are Fabricated, Spun

From David Cohen Australia 6-16-6

The Pentagon spin masters and screen play writers never rest...it seems almost every piece of mainstream news is propaganda now...

1. First, they expect us to believe that Zarkawi is behind all the explosions/bombings in Iraq.

2. Now they expect us to believe that he is an intellectual (who just happened to think and write just like a Zionist Phd propagandist, with Harvard-style logic).

3. They used him, even after they killed him, with this 'letter' to glorify themselves and create the impression that they have 'won.' They haven't 'won' anything, of course.

4. They are trying to create the impression that they are on the right track in their Iraq war machinations.

5. They forgot to make 'Zarkawi's' writings sound like they were written by a MOSLEM. It is more than obvious the 'letter' was written by an American.

6. This 'letter' consistently compliments the Americans...as if Zarkawi had nothing else to do.

It is all beyond ridiculous...


Text Of A Document Found In al-Zarqawi's Safe House

BAGHDAD (AP) - The text of a document discovered in terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's hideout. The document was provided in English Thursday by Iraqi National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie:

The situation and conditions of the resistance in Iraq have reached a point that requires a review of the events and of the work being done inside Iraq. Such a study is needed in order to show the best means to accomplish the required goals, especially that the forces of the National Guard have succeeded in forming an enormous shield protecting the American forces and have reduced substantially the losses that were solely suffered by the American forces. This is in addition to the role, played by the Shi'a (the leadership and masses) by supporting the occupation, working to defeat the resistance and by informing on its elements.

As an overall picture, time has been an element in affecting negatively the forces of the occupying countries, due to the losses they sustain economically in human lives, which are increasing with time. However, here in Iraq, time is now beginning to be of service to the American forces and harmful to the resistance for the following reasons:

1. By allowing the American forces to form the forces of the National Guard, to reinforce them and enable them to undertake military operations against the resistance.

2. By undertaking massive arrest operations, invading regions that have an impact on the resistance, and hence causing the resistance to lose many of its elements.

3. By undertaking a media campaign against the resistance resulting in weakening its influence inside the country and presenting its work as harmful to the population rather than being beneficial to the population.

4. By tightening the resistance's financial outlets, restricting its moral options and by confiscating its ammunition and weapons.

5. By creating a big division among the ranks of the resistance and jeopardizing its attack operations, it has weakened its influence and internal support of its elements, thus resulting in a decline of the resistance's assaults.

6. By allowing an increase in the number of countries and elements supporting the occupation or at least allowing to become neutral in their stand toward us in contrast to their previous stand or refusal of the occupation.

7. By taking advantage of the resistance's mistakes and magnifying them in order to misinform.

Based on the above points, it became necessary that these matters should be treated one by one:

1. To improve the image of the resistance in society, increase the number of supporters who are refusing occupation and show the clash of interest between society and the occupation and its collaborators. To use the media for spreading an effective and creative image of the resistance.

2. To assist some of the people of the resistance to infiltrate the ranks of the National Guard in order to spy on them for the purpose of weakening the ranks of the National Guard when necessary, and to be able to use their modern weapons.

3. To reorganize for recruiting new elements for the resistance.

4. To establish centres and factories to produce and manufacture and improve on weapons and to produce new ones.

5. To unify the ranks of the resistance, to prevent controversies and prejudice and to adhere to piety and follow the leadership.

6. To create division and strife between American and other countries and among the elements disagreeing with it.

7. To avoid mistakes that will blemish the image of the resistance and show it as the enemy of the nation.

In general and despite the current bleak situation, we think that the best suggestions in order to get out of this crisis is to intangle the American forces into another war against another
country or with another of our enemy force, that is to try and inflame the situation between America and Iran or between America and the Shi'a in general.

Specifically the Sistani Shi'a, since most of the support that the Americans are getting is from the Sistani Shi'a, then, there is a possibility to instill differences between them and to weaken the support line between them; in addition to the losses we can inflict on both parties. Consequently, to embroil America in another war against another enemy is the answer that we find to be the most appropriate, and to have a war through a delegate has the following
benefits:

1. To occupy the Americans by another front will allow the
resistance freedom of movement and alleviate the pressure imposed on
it.

2. To dissolve the cohesion between the Americans and the Shi'a will
weaken and close this front.

3. To have a loss of trust between the Americans and the Shi'a will
cause the Americans to lose many of their spies.

4. To involve both parties, the Americans and the Shi'a, in a war
that will result in both parties being losers.

5. Thus, the Americans will be forced to ask the Sunni for help.

6. To take advantage of some of the Shia elements that will allow
the resistance to move among them.

7. To weaken the media's side which is presenting a tarnished image
of the resistance, mainly conveyed by the Shi'a.

8. To enlarge the geographical area of the resistance movement.

9. To provide popular support and cooperation by the people.

The resistance fighters have learned from the result and the great
benefits they reaped, when a struggle ensued between the Americans
and the army of Al-Mahdi. However, we have to notice that this
trouble or this delegated war that must be ignited can be
accomplished through:

1. A war between the Shi'a and the Americans.

2. A war between the Shi'a and the secular population (such as Ayad
'Alawi and al-Jalabi.)

3. A war between the Shi'a and the Kurds.

4. A war between Ahmad al-Halabi and his people and Ayad 'Alawi and
his people.

5. A war between the group of al-Hakim and the group of al-Sadr.

6. A war between the Shi'a of Iraq and the Sunni of the Arab countries in the gulf.

7. A war between the Americans and Iran. We have noticed that the
best of these wars to be ignited is the one between the Americans
and Iran, because it will have many benefits in favour of the Sunni
and the resistance, such as:

1. Freeing the Sunni people in Iraq, who are (30 per cent) of the
population and under the Shi'a Rule.

2. Drowning the Americans in another war that will engage many of
their forces.

3. The possibility of acquiring new weapons from the Iranian side,
either after the fall of Iran or during the battles.

4. To entice Iran towards helping the resistance because of its need
for its help.

5. Weakening the Shi'a supply line.

The question remains, how to draw the Americans into fighting a war against Iran? It is not known whether America is serious in its animosity towards Iraq, because of the big support Iran is offering to America in its war in Afghanistan and in Iraq. Hence, it is necessary first to exaggerate the Iranian danger and to convince America and the west in general, of the real danger coming from Iran, and this would be done by the following:

1. By disseminating threatening messages against American interests and the American people and attribute them to a Shi'a Iranian side.

2. By executing operations of kidnapping hostages and implicating the Shi'a Iranian side.

3. By advertising that Iran has chemical and nuclear weapons and is threatening the west with these weapons.

4. By executing exploding operations in the west and accusing Iran by planting Iranian Shi'a fingerprints and evidence.

5. By declaring the existence of a relationship between Iran and terrorist groups (as termed by the Americans).

6. By disseminating bogus messages about confessions showing that Iran is in possession of weapons of mass destruction or that there are attempts by the Iranian intelligence to undertake terrorist operations in America and the west and against western interests.

Let us hope for success and for God's help.

 

[Ludah]

Elvis Was Abducted By Aliens

 

[baxter]

Elvis Was Abducted By Aliens

Was he? I never knew that.

 

[Ludah]

It's all tied into the Bush dynasty. Trust me. I have sources.

 

[baxter]

Mum's the word; your secret is safe with me.