Alyx Survived? Ummm.....

[JellyWorld]

You mean the Vortigaunt?

No he means Mossman.

 

[Asknoone]

No he means Mossman.

If AL saw that, he'd kill you.

Plus its not at all obvious what he means, he could mean anything.

 

[Langolier]

I don't know what the G-Man's after...

However I find it a little suspicious that Barney happened to find you, and that Kliener said this, "I expected more warning."

He also referred to the HEV suite as your HEV suite. Which the G-man supposedly gave you at the end of Half-Life 1.

It could mean many things, but I think it's quite possible he contacted Kliener and gave him the suite with instructions to upgrade it for future use when Gordon would arrive or be delivered.

He possibly told him where Gordon would appear, thus Barney somehow managed to get assigned to that location (or was already and the Gman arranged for Gordon to go there because of that). However he never told anyone when.

I think it's also worth noting that we see him talking with Col. Cubbage and a few minutes later we get there and find that they have warning of an impending attack as well as possessing an RPG. Of-course, they could have learned about the attack on the radio with another base... but then how would the resistance know that anyway?

I highly doubt just intercepting transmissions would work since the Combine are likely smart enough to speak in code. Hell, just listen to them in combat closely.

The explanation on the site that I dare not mention works fine with all of this. It could just be that the Gman simply does not want the Combine in control of Earth and so despite the odds, backed the Resistance.

"All the effort in the world would have gone to waste if not..."

 

[xtcmen]

Well, I beleive that Alyx was probably wearing some under garmet or something that her dead gave her to be protected against this explosion. That is also another possibility if she survives.

 

[the_rebel_medic]

Well to be honest the explosion had little to no fragments and the way that grenades work is the metal framents. maybe the citadel explosion was a "cold" explosion therefore making little to no heat and in that sense alyx would not have been burnt or filled with metal shards. the concussion wave of an explosion sends the person flying and to be honest she only kind of leant back so therefore only a small explosion. it may also have been a chain reaction which a small explosion happened at the top exploding gradually getting larger as it exploded down to the bottom. that would explain pretty much any possible ways of death caused by the explosion. oh one more thing. that explosion didn't look huge at the end

 

[Combine Elite]

hmmmm

Me three on the explosion being too small to do too much damage, let alone deadly damage!

If that really were the entire nuke going off or whatever, there's be no city left for the game to happen in.

Just my two cents but I do not recall from the 4 times I played the game through that I seen the final outcome of the 'explosion'..... matter of fact it was stopped cold by the aforementioned 'GMan' in its early stages of fruition. Gordon was whisked away into his 'stasis' before the fireball ever reached the edge of the platform. I suspect the same happened to Alyx.

 

[r2000]

Just my two cents but I do not recall from the 4 times I played the game through that I seen the final outcome of the 'explosion'..... matter of fact it was stopped cold by the aforementioned 'GMan' in its early stages of fruition. Gordon was whisked away into his 'stasis' before the fireball ever reached the edge of the platform. I suspect the same happened to Alyx.

I think the explosion was contained. Then it simpy shook the building causing serious damage.

 

[Solidsocom]

I guess since it is a Sci Fi game, Valve can pull out any explaination they like (for example the G-man saves her also, even though it looks like he wouldn't) but at this point any explaination they give is going to feel a little hokey (as a result, perhaps no explaination at all?). I, like most people, really liked Alyx BUT that is why the end of HL2 was so powerful and sinister.


Then again, I guess Shakespear could have written a sequel to Romeo and Juliette where it turns out they faked their deaths to free themselves of their families once and for all...

possibly it destroyed alot but not all at oncelike things were blowing up and stuff but u jus ran like hell down the stairs and u got out and then it goes to that seen where ur running and then right before the big explosion u jump and hit the ground

 

[TheSomeone]

The explanation to rule them all:

Sexual favors with teh G-man.

 

[alehm]

Here is the problem I have with the arguement.

Someone is complaining of the possibility that Alyx survived the explosion yet has no problem that the G-Man suddendly stops time in the entire universe and is walking around talking to Gordon Freeman and picking at shrapnel suspended in mid air.

If someone can accept that then the more probable (Alyx surviving an explosion) should be accepted all too easy.

But in the end- it's just a GAME.

Tanks a loot.

 

[Laivasse]

Here is the problem I have with the arguement.

Someone is complaining of the possibility that Alyx survived the explosion yet has no problem that the G-Man suddendly stops time in the entire universe and is walking around talking to Gordon Freeman and picking at shrapnel suspended in mid air.

If someone can accept that then the more probable (Alyx surviving an explosion) should be accepted all too easy.

But in the end- it's just a GAME.

Tanks a loot.

Here are the problems I have with THAT argument.

Noone said that GMan stops time throughout the entire universe. For the explosion to appear to have frozen in Gordon's eyes, GMan only needs to have stopped time for Gordon - which he does simply by knocking Gordon back into whatever plane of stasis he had him in for 10 years before HL2.

Gman does this while an explosion is taking place. There is a clear dramatic implication: he doesn't want you there during the explosion. It was therefore natural to assume to everyone who finished HL2 ages ago that the explosion was going to be pretty grisly and you wouldn't have survived, and that Alyx was dead meat because G-man didn't appear to take her too.

Having Alyx still alive makes the explosion mean nothing, since Gordon obviously would have survived it too in that case (wearing the suit and all). So it renders the ending of HL2 pretty pointless.

Then again having Gordon as the main char in aftermath messes it up even worse, so *shrug* Looks like the story is bendable whatever way anyone wants at this point.

 

[alehm]

Well if you guys must know.

You play as Barney in Aftermath. Everyone thinks Gordon is dead and Alyx blames herself for not being able "save" him. Also, snape kills dumbledore.

 

[Esquire]

Hello people, just wandering what happened to the SuperGravityGun Gordon was using at the end of Hl2?

I'm thinking now that at the start of Aftermath Gordon still has that SuperGravGun, and is able to use it somehow, to hold back the explosion. This would explain how Gordon and Alyx survive the blast.

(Although it appeared obvious at the end of the game that Gman had taken Gordon well away from the explosion, I wouldnt be too happy if this was truly the case. There would be no point in employing Gordon if he'd constantly be requiring your help to get out of tricky situations. It's more believable for me, that Gordon was employed as an extension of Gman's abilities, meaning that Gman could be doing one thing while Gordon does another).

At any rate, in the process of this withholding the explosion, the SuperGravGun would either be obliterated, or returned to its former Yellow state, rendering Gordon with either the standard GravGun or no GravGun at all in HL2:Aftermath.

To me, this theory (as i'm typing it up), makes alot of sense, as Aftermath would be pretty rubbish if you start off with the SuperGravGun.

The final level of Hl2 when combatting the combine soldiers, i thought, was way too easy with the SuperGravGun. I hate to imagine playing Aftermath, being 1/3 the length of Hl2, with the S.G.G. in my inventory.

I suppose the SGG could be blasted out of Gordon's grip by the explosion atop of the Citadel tower, but that would mean that you would most likely regain it at some later stage of Aftermath.

So that's my take on the explosion and Alyx and Gordon's survival. I hope that it is correct so that i can make a thread screaming "i told you so!", but if anyone was to come up with a correct theory on how Alyx and Gordon escaped the explosion i doubt it would be.

 

[Nihilanth]

Maybe G-Man wasn't putting you back into stasis, but rather telling you that he was leaving you into the hands of another employer? Maybe Alyx is thrown back due to the explosion and is sent tunneling down the Citadel. In a screenshot on Gamespot, it shows (Gordon?) with the Dark Gravity Gun at the bottom of the Citadel, while chunks of the Citadel rain down upon him. Perhaps G-Man realizes he needs you for something else and sends you back into the Citadel, where you are thrown backwards as well or something.

Or maybe Alyx can fly...

 

[cadaveca]

Geez. Did everyone not pay attention to the story, and just shoot people? The answers to what is going to happen in in the beginnig of Aftermath were all set-up in the first half.

Spoiler

Mossman goes somewhere...

You disappear...for a week...

"Hmmm....seems...to be some sort of ...delayed...teleport..."


Did ya forget that Breen was trying to telelport, when you caused the explosion?


Hmmm...what casued the delayed teleport in the first instance?

 

[Asknoone]

Geez. Did everyone not pay attention to the story, and just shoot people? The answers to what is going to happen in in the beginnig of Aftermath were all set-up in the first half.

Spoiler

Mossman goes somewhere...

You disappear...for a week...

"Hmmm....seems...to be some sort of ...delayed...teleport..."


Did ya forget that Breen was trying to telelport, when you caused the explosion?


Hmmm...what casued the delayed teleport in the first instance?

What exactly are you getting at? The reason the Nova Prospekt portal took a week to deliver Alyx and Gordon, was because it was heavily damaged and exploding. Are you suggesting Breen teleported? Because he certainly did not - Breen teleporting issued failure.

Its already been said that Aftermath takes place moments after the end of Hl2.

 

[cadaveca]

truth is perception.



well, you have had how many teleporter explosions in the game? what happened each time?

Notice the balding dude with glasses, scientist type, who just watches, runs the teleports...and has a pet headcrab!?! Um, pet headcrab?


"So, what ever happened to that cat?"


"Not an animal lover, barney, are you?"



"Where the hell did she take him!?!"



Just what happened to all the cats and dogs?



Like really.

 

[cquinn]

No, cadaveca does have a point.

Spoiler

If you played with subtitles on, you have reason to believe that
Breen escaped.

The explosion at the end was not from a reactor, it was from
an overload/imbalance of the portal that was going to transfer
Breen to another combined controlled world.

If so, then what happened with the explosion may be less deadly
than it appears, and may have a side effect of teleporting other
people (Alyx) away from the collapse of the control room.

There are a few other possibilities:

Dr. Vance and Mossman were still behind in what was left of Breens
office. They may have been able to concoct some kind of "plan B",
to protect Alyx and Gordon from a portal overload.
(not knowing that Gordon wouldn't be there to protect).

The Citadel itself may have some protective failsafes that triggered
just in time to provide Alyx with some cover and a means to escape.

....
I too suspect that the HEV suit was the same one that Gordon had at
Black Mesa, and that it somehow found its way to Dr. Kleiner.
In such a way that Everybody just assumed that Gordon somehow survived
Black Mesa, but was unable to join up with the rest of them until he got
to City 17 (probably due to the 7 hours war)

.

 

[ibriggs]

Welll

Since HL2 has already played with time travel, alternate realities, and all kinds of things along those lines. perhaps they drop you into an alternate reality where things didnt quite happen the same way you remember. Thus, Alyx alive, Breen still the bad guy, etc. "The right person in the wrong TIME can make all the difference in the world". I have a feeling, once again, everythings going to change, and your the only one whos going to remember the previous events. I also find it odd that no one really comments on the events immdiately after black mesa.

 

[Sars]

having us believe that alyx died at the end of hl2 and then "bringing her back" in aftermath is a monumental mistake on valve's behalf. like someone said before, it would have made the story a lot more interesting and gritty had she died. but hey, i like "dark" games.

 

[nutcrackr]

At the end of HL2, gman appears and time is altered, howver you can still move around slowly and use your flashlight. Although the flashlight does not light up gman, which makes me think he isn't on this plane or from another dimension, time must be slowed in order for the dimensions to mix, like when he appears throughout the game, time might be a different in his dimension. Then there is a flash and you can use your flashlight on gman, which although may be minor would indicate to me that you have crossed dimensions and are now in gmans world (just like the train at the end of the first), and then you are held into place. Some of this may have been just development choice but why would they have the flashlight not work on him initially, yet it works later :dozey:

So what do I think happened to Alyx? Well I don't see why gman couldn't have removed Alyx for a while also, if he felt she was useful for one reason or another, to either Gordon or someone else. Of course assuming that the "people" from his world control time and dimensional travel so easily there is no reason why others could not have done the same.

 

[BrimStone04]

im really just completely thoughtless on how its going to start, i just hope and pray its not gay!!!!!

 

[DoctorWeeTodd]

The portal's rift was already growing when you reached the Citadel's peak. What if it somehow sucked up the brunt of the blast?

 

[iMMuNiTy]

Yeah, the blast got teleported to Combine Advisor's office.

 

[DoctorWeeTodd]

Yeah, the blast got teleported to Combine Advisor's office.

WAR OVER! :dozey:

Now that you mentioned that what if during the teleportation mishap in the beginning of the game, when you entered Breen's office instead of mishooting to another location again you had enough time to walk over to Breen and punch him so hard he dies? How would that have affected the course of the game?

EDIT: Nice new avatar!

 

[cquinn]

You would not have been able to leave the teleportation field to punch Breen.
(remember what happened to the cat...)

But if I had known at that point what I learned thru the rest of the story, I would
at least have flipped him off.

 

[ríomhaire]

You would not have been able to leave the teleportation field to punch Breen.
(remember what happened to the cat...)

But if I had known at that point what I learned thru the rest of the story, I would
at least have flipped him off.

Lamarr did it.

 

[DoctorWeeTodd]

You would not have been able to leave the teleportation field to punch Breen.
(remember what happened to the cat...)

But if I had known at that point what I learned thru the rest of the story, I would
at least have flipped him off.

Since you didn't see any hands at that point of the game...I imagine I did do it. I also imagined Alyx to be a cold-hearted bitch because I was imagining Gordon say "I love you" over and over and she just ignored it.:E

 

[cquinn]

Lamarr did it.

But Lamarr was not warned against doing it by Dr. Kleiner. Maybe it has
less of an effect on stubborn Headcrabs?

I always wondered how Lamarr made it back to the Lab though. Since it
seemed like he stepped away while you were standing on a desert someplace.
(Otherwise I would have thrown him at Breen).

I keep imagining "Lamarr's Excellent Adventure" as he has to find his way
back from somewhere along Highway 17. Poor wittle HeadHumper.

 

[TheAmazingRando]

"Lamarr's Excellent Adventure"

Along the way he meets characters from history such as Abraham Lincoln and Napoleon Bonapart and has to bring them all back to his school on time for his history report!:bounce:

 

[DoctorWeeTodd]

But Lamarr was not warned against doing it by Dr. Kleiner. Maybe it has
less of an effect on stubborn Headcrabs?

I always wondered how Lamarr made it back to the Lab though. Since it
seemed like he stepped away while you were standing on a desert someplace.
(Otherwise I would have thrown him at Breen).

I keep imagining "Lamarr's Excellent Adventure" as he has to find his way
back from somewhere along Highway 17. Poor wittle HeadHumper.

Look again. Once you teleport back to the lab after ending up at the water, beach and Breen's office you can see Lamarr as well as the crow she attacked flying around the lab. So apparently you can teleport things you grab while mishooting.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if you snagged Breen by the collar and he ended up back in the lab and left to Barney and Kleiner?

 

[Asknoone]

Wouldn't it be wonderful if you snagged Breen by the collar and he ended up back in the lab and left to Barney and Kleiner?

Oh what fun the resistance would have

 

[alehm]

That would be great if Valve were more cynical and allowed you to kill Breen 10 minutes into the game then Gman shows up and says "Holy Ss smmookees Mr Freeman" then the credits roll and the game is over.

 

[Esquire]

That would be great if Valve were more cynical and allowed you to kill Breen 10 minutes into the game then Gman shows up and says "Holy Ss smmookees Mr Freeman" then the credits roll and the game is over.

Haha, that would be class.