AMD sues INTEL
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bout time amd took the fight to them
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At Groklaw too: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050628043815368chu said:Read it here:
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I'm vouching for AMD!! Coercing means intel is afraid. HAHA!!....
anyway, why does intel have to coerce anyway? (For anyone who doesn't know, coercing means bullying or badgering companies into something they do not want to do.) Intel is a huge company. There's no need to do that....unless there completely desprate about something.
anyway, why does intel have to coerce anyway? (For anyone who doesn't know, coercing means bullying or badgering companies into something they do not want to do.) Intel is a huge company. There's no need to do that....unless there completely desprate about something.
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'Intel effectively punished Compaq for the amount of business it did with AMD by withholding delivery of server chips.'
muwaha Intel dont have a chance. Besides, its not as if Intel will be missed, i mean, AMD are selling more anyway as performance and price is better...pfft good bye Intel
muwaha Intel dont have a chance. Besides, its not as if Intel will be missed, i mean, AMD are selling more anyway as performance and price is better...pfft good bye Intel
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hmm..well i certainly hope AMD's case can hold up in court because some competition is only gonna benefit us gamers :thumbs:
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This looks like it's going to be interesting.
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According to the complaint, Intel has unlawfully maintained its monopoly by, among other things:
* Forcing major customers such as Dell, Sony, Toshiba, Gateway, and Hitachi into Intel-exclusive deals in return for outright cash payments, discriminatory pricing or marketing subsidies conditioned on the exclusion of AMD;
o According to industry reports, and as confirmed by the JFTC in Japan, Intel has paid Dell and Toshiba huge sums not to do business with AMD.
o Intel paid Sony millions for exclusivity. AMD's share of Sony's business went from 23 percent in '02 to 8% in '03, to 0%, where it remains today.
* Forcing other major customers such as NEC, Acer, and Fujitsu into partial exclusivity agreements by conditioning rebates, allowances and market development funds (MDF) on customers' agreement to severely limit or forego entirely purchases from AMD;
o Intel paid NEC several million dollars for caps on NEC's purchases from AMD. Those caps assured Intel at least 90% of NEC's business in Japan and imposed a worldwide cap on the amount of AMD business NEC could do.
* Establishing a system of discriminatory and retroactive incentives triggered by purchases at such high levels as to have the intended effect of denying customers the freedom to purchase any significant volume of processors from AMD;
o When AMD succeeded in getting on the HP retail roadmap for mobile computers, and its products sold well, Intel responded by withholding HP's fourth quarter 2004 rebate check and refusing to waive HP's failure to achieve its targeted rebate goal; it allowed HP to make up the shortfall in succeeding quarters by promising Intel at least 90% of HP's mainstream retail business.
* Threatening retaliation against customers for introducing AMD computer platforms, particularly in strategic market segments such as commercial desktop;
o Then-Compaq CEO Michael Capellas said in 2000 that because of the volume of business given to AMD, Intel withheld delivery of critical server chips. Saying "he had a gun to his head," he told AMD he had to stop buying.
o According to Gateway executives, their company has paid a high price for even its limited AMD dealings. They claim that Intel has "beaten them into 'guacamole'" in retaliation.
* Establishing and enforcing quotas among key retailers such as Best Buy and Circuit City, effectively requiring them to stock overwhelmingly or exclusively, Intel computers, artificially limiting consumer choice;
o AMD has been entirely shut out from Media Markt, Europe's largest computer retailer, which accounts for 35 percent of Germany's retail sales.
o Office Depot declined to stock AMD-powered notebooks regardless of the amount of financial support AMD offered, citing the risk of retaliation.
* Forcing PC makers and tech partners to boycott AMD product launches or promotions;
o Then-Intel CEO Craig Barrett threatened Acer's Chairman with "severe consequences" for supporting the AMD Athlon 64TM launch. This coincided with an unexplained delay by Intel in providing $15-20M in market development funds owed to Acer. Acer withdrew from the launch in September 2003.
* Abusing its market power by forcing on the industry technical standards and products that have as their main purpose the handicapping of AMD in the marketplace.
o Intel denied AMD access to the highest level of membership for the Advanced DRAM technology consortium to limit AMD's participation in critical industry standard decisions that would affect its business.
o Intel designed its compilers, which translate software programs into machine-readable language, to degrade a program's performance if operated on a computer powered by an AMD microprocessor.
http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=24481
Just read that summary of the good points and see how something can be so underhanded. Paying people to not do business, withholding money and processors for using AMD products and so much more.
I wonder how someone can bully such large companies? I figured if they didnt pay HP money that they EARNED then that is a criminal offence and HP is big enough to do something but I guess not.
When code is written it is written in a high level language (the code is very easy compared to writting practically 1's and 0's) but the high level code has to be translated into something the computer can understand. This is done automatically via a program called a compiler. Intel makes the most popular compilers (because compilers are very very hard to write and AMD is not a very big company so they cant make their own very easily). So intel purposly made the code work worse on AMD CPU's!
* Forcing major customers such as Dell, Sony, Toshiba, Gateway, and Hitachi into Intel-exclusive deals in return for outright cash payments, discriminatory pricing or marketing subsidies conditioned on the exclusion of AMD;
o According to industry reports, and as confirmed by the JFTC in Japan, Intel has paid Dell and Toshiba huge sums not to do business with AMD.
o Intel paid Sony millions for exclusivity. AMD's share of Sony's business went from 23 percent in '02 to 8% in '03, to 0%, where it remains today.
* Forcing other major customers such as NEC, Acer, and Fujitsu into partial exclusivity agreements by conditioning rebates, allowances and market development funds (MDF) on customers' agreement to severely limit or forego entirely purchases from AMD;
o Intel paid NEC several million dollars for caps on NEC's purchases from AMD. Those caps assured Intel at least 90% of NEC's business in Japan and imposed a worldwide cap on the amount of AMD business NEC could do.
* Establishing a system of discriminatory and retroactive incentives triggered by purchases at such high levels as to have the intended effect of denying customers the freedom to purchase any significant volume of processors from AMD;
o When AMD succeeded in getting on the HP retail roadmap for mobile computers, and its products sold well, Intel responded by withholding HP's fourth quarter 2004 rebate check and refusing to waive HP's failure to achieve its targeted rebate goal; it allowed HP to make up the shortfall in succeeding quarters by promising Intel at least 90% of HP's mainstream retail business.
* Threatening retaliation against customers for introducing AMD computer platforms, particularly in strategic market segments such as commercial desktop;
o Then-Compaq CEO Michael Capellas said in 2000 that because of the volume of business given to AMD, Intel withheld delivery of critical server chips. Saying "he had a gun to his head," he told AMD he had to stop buying.
o According to Gateway executives, their company has paid a high price for even its limited AMD dealings. They claim that Intel has "beaten them into 'guacamole'" in retaliation.
* Establishing and enforcing quotas among key retailers such as Best Buy and Circuit City, effectively requiring them to stock overwhelmingly or exclusively, Intel computers, artificially limiting consumer choice;
o AMD has been entirely shut out from Media Markt, Europe's largest computer retailer, which accounts for 35 percent of Germany's retail sales.
o Office Depot declined to stock AMD-powered notebooks regardless of the amount of financial support AMD offered, citing the risk of retaliation.
* Forcing PC makers and tech partners to boycott AMD product launches or promotions;
o Then-Intel CEO Craig Barrett threatened Acer's Chairman with "severe consequences" for supporting the AMD Athlon 64TM launch. This coincided with an unexplained delay by Intel in providing $15-20M in market development funds owed to Acer. Acer withdrew from the launch in September 2003.
* Abusing its market power by forcing on the industry technical standards and products that have as their main purpose the handicapping of AMD in the marketplace.
o Intel denied AMD access to the highest level of membership for the Advanced DRAM technology consortium to limit AMD's participation in critical industry standard decisions that would affect its business.
o Intel designed its compilers, which translate software programs into machine-readable language, to degrade a program's performance if operated on a computer powered by an AMD microprocessor.
http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=24481
Just read that summary of the good points and see how something can be so underhanded. Paying people to not do business, withholding money and processors for using AMD products and so much more.
I wonder how someone can bully such large companies? I figured if they didnt pay HP money that they EARNED then that is a criminal offence and HP is big enough to do something but I guess not.
When code is written it is written in a high level language (the code is very easy compared to writting practically 1's and 0's) but the high level code has to be translated into something the computer can understand. This is done automatically via a program called a compiler. Intel makes the most popular compilers (because compilers are very very hard to write and AMD is not a very big company so they cant make their own very easily). So intel purposly made the code work worse on AMD CPU's!
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Intel writes compilers?
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DrDevin said:
ouch... that hurts.
thanks for that summary
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JellyWorld said:
http://www.intel.com/cd/software/products/asmo-na/eng/compilers/index.htm
Yes they do. They have a couple of them: windows, linux, embedded application and more along with variations of each.
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I'm glad AMD finally is doing this. It has been known for some time that under-the-table deals have been going on for staying away from AMD CPUs. Good time too since AMD has some really good chips out and this probably will get AMD more publicity than putting ads up. lol
I'm surprised about the part where Intel's compilers reduce performance on AMD machines. I've seen a number of benchmarks between Intel and AMD with both MS Intel compilers used and the Intel compilers generally do better than MS' for both platforms.
I'm surprised about the part where Intel's compilers reduce performance on AMD machines. I've seen a number of benchmarks between Intel and AMD with both MS Intel compilers used and the Intel compilers generally do better than MS' for both platforms.
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