amd64 vs. intel

[o3jox]

This has probably been inquired before, but probably only came down to bias answers. Lets end this at once. What is better for gaming an Intel Pentium 4 Processor, or an AMD64 3000+ and up series? I say the AMD64 3000+ and up will be better because 64bit windows xp will be out and it'll make everything a 32 bits faster. Only thing the Pentium has that beats AMD64 sometimes is the hyperthreading. So, Which is the better processor?

 

[blackeye]

AMD 64 for gaming definatly. Unless you hade a pentium 4 extreme edition. But even the AMD 64 beats that in some gaming tests. (depending on what model)

 

[waedoe]

its kinda sad the 32 bits can still preform well with 64 bits, think if intel had a 64 bit processor (DROOLS)

 

[Rivett]

I'll always go with Intel.

 

[psyno]

waedoe, Intel does. It sucks.

 

[ShinRa]

intel is more workstation. amd is much more efficient in gaming. i learned that the hard way. im starting to notice more and more that my amd kicks the living shit out of my 3.0 p4. and before this i had an amd t-bird 1.4ghz that ran nearly as good as my 3.0 p4. to hell with intel if ur a gamer.

 

[Onions]

christ, the ignorance! wheres your 64bit OS then kids?
amd be the processor for me, yarr!

 

[blackeye]

its kinda sad the 32 bits can still preform well with 64 bits

What are you talking about.
32 bit chips cant run 64 bit programs at all. And the only reason that A p4 3.0ghz is about the same perfomance as a a64 3000 is because all the benchmarks are run on 32bit software. If the p4 ran 32bit benchmarks and the a64 ran in 64 then the a64 would clearly win.

 

[Asus]

Games do not support hyperthreading since they are not multithreaded applications.
All the benchmarks that you see use 32bits for both Intel and AMD systems. You need to run a 64Bit OS (Windows XP 64bit Edition) before you even can use the remaining 32bits in the 64Bit CPU. 64Bit applications is what will really show the difference.

I'll let you decide. Link

A64's are good for worksation as well, guinny.
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Here are some quick benchmarks done back in September 2003 on 32Bit VS 64Bit on an older build of WinXP 64bit Edition.

 

[blackeye]

IMO 64 bit benchmarks mean nothing right now as they are just beta drivers and unreleased operating systems.

 

[ailevation]

:naughty: It's obvious right now that the 3000's and up are better for gaming. But it's obvious as well that the 3.0's and up are better for applications.

 

[crabcakes66]

Well if i were going to build a gaming system now..... I would either buy a 2.4c and overclock it for the value option. Or an A64 system of some kind.

 

[o3jox]

I have a slight bump in this thread. How does the 1MB L2 Cache, computer with the 512KB L2 Cache?

 

[waedoe]

waedoe, Intel does. It sucks.

yeah um what is it?

 

[waedoe]

intel is more workstation. amd is much more efficient in gaming. i learned that the hard way. im starting to notice more and more that my amd kicks the living shit out of my 3.0 p4. and before this i had an amd t-bird 1.4ghz that ran nearly as good as my 3.0 p4. to hell with intel if ur a gamer.

next time delete all the spyware and porn on your intel :afro:

 

[Johan_Tayn]

AMD, although this question is so over asked I'm adding it to my signature.

 

[TheRook]

its kinda sad the 32 bits can still preform well with 64 bits, think if intel had a 64 bit processor (DROOLS)

hah.. the AMD64 cpus are not running at 64bit... theya re currently running at 32bit... when a 64bit operating system (winxp64) comes out then it will run 64bit... so its

32bit AMD 64's
32bit Intel p4's

AMD cpu's are mathmatically better than intel... (meaning better at gaming)
Intels CPUS have raw pushing power so for stuff like video converting etc zipping/ raring... mp3 encoding... the intels are good... but the AMD 64's still give them a damn good run for their money considering that a general rule of thumb is there about 800mhz or so (clocks speed wise) slower than Intel's so imagine a 3ghz AMD 64... it would wipe the floor with pretty much anything...

So in answer to the topic AMD64's are better but if your thinking of buying one dont yet... wait til socket 939 ones are out... because socket 754 is becoming the new socket A (e.g. Athalon xp's)

Andy
TheRook

p.s. The "Sempron" chips are looking cool! with lower cache and they are only 32bit AMD64's they will be like durons but the performance of them will be damn good... (a few benchmarks) and a 3200 sempron is close to a 2800AMD64 (but considering the price difference the semp looks good!)

 

[ShinRa]

Socket 939 chips ARE out rook....they've BEEN out. I've been running my socket 939 for a good 3 weeks now...and they were out about 2 weeks before that.

 

[o3jox]

Guinny how do you afford socket 939 chip, I mean you could like buy a whole computer with that money. Seriously How?

 

[ShinRa]

i work and pay off the credit card lol.

 

[psyno]

yeah um what is it?

Itanium/Itanium 2. "Sucks" was harsh; they do have their uses...somewhere.

 

[Janet Reno]

Will HL2 run in 64bit? And if so wouldn't that mean an AMD64 would run it awesome?

 

[o3jox]

Ya I believe in the OFFICIAL VALVE NEWS THREAD theres a little peice that says that they will eventually get to making HL2 64BIT Compatible when the OS comes out and what not and it is easier to work with that HT Technology .

 

[TheRook]

Socket 939 chips ARE out rook....they've BEEN out. I've been running my socket 939 for a good 3 weeks now...and they were out about 2 weeks before that.

I was referring to the socket 939 AMD64's the fabled 3800 etc when they are out and about...


Andy

 

[Asus]

I have a slight bump in this thread. How does the 1MB L2 Cache, computer with the 512KB L2 Cache?

The 512KB L2 cache (vs 1MB) for the A64 will performance slightly lower which AMD says is about a rating of 200, 3200+ (2GHz) vs 3000+ (2GHz).
Speed generally is more importand than Cache though. That's why it doesnt matter to me as much and why I choice a 3000+ which runs at the same 2GHz as the 3200+ version for quite a bit less $$.

Will HL2 run in 64bit? And if so wouldn't that mean an AMD64 would run it awesome?

Valve has said that they will support the Windows 64bit platform when it arrives with a 64bit Version of HL2. It may run quicker for AI and physics but it may allow for more on the screen such as players or details.