An appeal to 9/11 conspiracy theorists

[CptStern]

SHUT UP ALREADY!

no seriously guys you're doing far more harm than good. Stop looking to 9/11 as a massive conspiracy. There's a far more important and very real conspiracy that you guys completely overlook: the Iraq war. The US manufactured evidence and justified the invasion of iraq based on information they pulled out of the thin air. Yet it's almost completely ignrored by the mainstream media and average americans ..no, they would rather choose to believe that there's something big and sinister behind this ..but if you actually research the justifications behind the war it's painfully clear that it's far more simplistic than that ...they didnt bother to cover their tracks all that well because they knew the american public wouldnt care all that much ..and they were right

so stop at looking at the inplausible ..start looking at what's really there ..it's not disguised missles or pixel by pixel analysis of grainy shakey cam video ..it's far easier for anyone to see ..if you just took the time to sift through it, and it's far more compelling than any silly conspiracy to slam airplanes into buildings

 

[jverne]

agreed!


i had my question answered!







And for the millionth time:

I DID NOT BELIVE IN ANYTHING EXEPT THE MELTING STEEL THEORY! SO DON'T F****** CALL ME A CONSPIRACY THEORIST! MY ARGUMENT WAS 100% FACT NOT SOME ASSUMPTION!

 

[CptStern]

heh I wasnt specifically singling out any of you ...just conspiracy theorists in general

 

[Solaris]

agreed!


i had my question answered!







And for the millionth time:

I DID NOT BELIVE IN ANYTHING EXEPT THE MELTING STEEL THEORY! SO DON'T F****** CALL ME A CONSPIRACY THEORIST! MY ARGUMENT WAS 100% FACT NOT SOME ASSUMPTION!

Mechanic to Politics forum, we just broke another one.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Stern, the last thing you want is Clarky & ilk researching the Iraq War.

Dollars to donuts he'll claim Saddam was an FBI agent who stole anthrax from Al Queda letter-sending facilities in order to distract people from the creation of an infinite energy roller-coaster that was covered up by the science world in order to further the funding for methane-based fuel generated by fictional COW PLOY cows.

Imagine Solaris times ten, but each one even less reasonable.
Be careful what you wish for!

 

[jverne]

Stern, the last thing you want is Clarky & ilk researching the Iraq War.

Dollars to donuts he'll claim Saddam was an FBI agent who stole anthrax from Al Queda letter-sending facilities in order to distract people from the creation of an infinite energy roller-coaster that was covered up by the science world in order to further the funding for methane-based fuel generated by fictional COW PLOY cows.

Imagine Solaris times ten, but each one even less reasonable.
Be careful what you wish for!

so mecha...where do you think the WMD went?




P.S. no i don't have any conspiracy theory, just want to know your opinion!

 

[Glirk Dient]

We may never know where the WMD went if they did exist. However we DID find WMDs in Iraq, just not stockpiles. WMDs that they weren't supposed to have anymore.

 

[Solaris]

We may never know where the WMD went if they did exist. However we DID find WMDs in Iraq, just not stockpiles. WMDs that they weren't supposed to have anymore.

We did?

I remeber reading about a unit of soldiers who were in one of Sadams Bunkers and found loads of Compass's and scientific calculators with sharp edges and stuff, it's the largest haul of weapons of mass instruction they've ever found.....


*ahem*

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

For the record, before anyone even thinks of me, I was looking at the issue strictly from the physics PoV, not the political.

Certain members may twist/construe what I say to their own benefit.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Funny enough how everything the conspiracy theorists claim goes against physics.

 

[jverne]

emm...ok what else can we talk about iraq? it seem that there are no clear FACTS to base on!

what now? what shall we talk about iraq?

tortures...hmm...what about them? somebody tourtured somebody...and?

cruelty of the US soldiers?...some are good some are bad...what now?

bush being a lier...and maybe he is...so? so what if he is, what then?



see guys...there is really nothing constructive to talk about, not only for iraq but for everything political by nature!

 

[CptStern]

We may never know where the WMD went if they did exist. However we DID find WMDs in Iraq, just not stockpiles. WMDs that they weren't supposed to have anymore.

no you found nothing you claimed saddam had: we know for a FACT they didnt exist

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6456.htm

 

[Solaris]

emm...ok what else can we talk about iraq? it seem that there are no clear FACTS to base on!

what now? what shall we talk about iraq?

tortures...hmm...what about them? somebody tourtured somebody...and?

cruelty of the US soldiers?...some are good some are bad...what now?

bush being a lier...and maybe he is...so? so what if he is, what then?



see guys...there is really nothing constructive to talk about, not only for iraq but for everything!

Then you sir are a fool.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

Funny enough how everything the conspiracy theorists claim goes against physics.

You are just grouping together everyone who doesn't believe or questions the original report.
I doubt you've done any research yourself.

 

[Solaris]

You are just grouping together everyone who doesn't believe or questions the original report.
I doubt you've done any research yourself.

He doesn't have too.

 

[jverne]

Then you sir are a fool.

why am i a fool?


want an example?

here:

"steel does not melt under any circumstance using jet fuel (and rugs if you will)!"

or

"a millitary unit said there was some plans for WMD found in iraq"


which sentence seems more credible/reliable/trustworthy!?

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

He doesn't have too.

Nobody has to.

But it helps when you make sweeping generalizations like that.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

I doubt you've done any research yourself.

Your entire self-important claim is based around upwards of two tons of invisible magic bombs.
Physics my eye.

You can't even disprove COW PLOY even when I am paying you to.

Great physics there, professor.

You are a failure.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

Your entire self-important claim is based around upwards of two tons of invisible magic bombs.
Physics my eye.

You can't even disprove COW PLOY even when I am paying you to.

Great physics there, professor.

You are a failure.

Like I said you can't disprove things over the internet. You are using this fact against me.

AND FOR THE LAST TIME I NEVER CLAIMED BOMBS WERE BEING USED

QUIT PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

Jackass.

 

[clarky003]

I agree with Stern the bigger picture is more important.

 

[jverne]

so solaris...when do i get my answer? or do i have to provoke it from you?

 

[Solaris]

so solaris...when do i get my answer? or do i have to provoke it from you?

Sorry I don't live on the forums, I had to get up for something to eat, I'll eat at the computer next time?

why am i a fool?

You said

see guys...there is really nothing constructive to talk about, not only for iraq but for everything political by nature!

We've had some downright fantastic debates here me thinks, I for one have learn't alot and thouroghly enjoyed some of these debates.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

AND FOR THE LAST TIME I NEVER CLAIMED BOMBS WERE BEING USED

Yet you have repeatedly stated that reality cannot be proven until they are investigated.
Every conspiracy claim you call possible and use to question reality is based on invisible bombs.

Without invisible bombs, the official story is the only possible version of events, as far as the physics tell us.

 

[jverne]

downright fantastic debates here me thinks

see solaris that's where you are wrong!

they maybe fantastic, but were they constructive, did somebody really changed it's mind? name one!

i for one did change my mind after "i was proven wrong"! my argument was based on a pure fact that is why it was so easy! that is called constructive debate! something changed (for the better possibly)!

now look at some other debates here...they maybe entertaining but when all is finished everybody goes back home the way they came!

the only person that is really trying to use "facts" would be stern! everyone else just bases their arguments on opinions and assumptions!

you guys really need to sort it out!

 

[Yuri]

So, ZRUKEN COW PLOY MASCOT, you believe that the towers did not fall because of the planes that hit them, but you also don't know why they fell, but "never said" it was because of bombs?

WHOA YOU'RE A REALLY COOL DUDE WITH YOUR REBELLIOUS NATURE

Oh, and Physics told me that he doesn't want to talk to you any more cuz you keep throwing around his name like a dirty tramp.



jverne... just stop yelling. Please. But I totally agree, and tend to ignore Solaris about half of the time. Political debates on the internet hardly ever go anywhere, and stating that doesn't make you a fool.

 

[Solaris]

see solaris that's where you are wrong!

they maybe fantastic, but were they constructive, did somebody really changed it's mind? name one!

i for one did change my mind after "i was proven wrong"! my argument was based on a pure fact that is why it was so easy! that is called constructive debate! something changed (for the better possibly)!

now look at some other debates here...they maybe entertaining but when all is finished everybody goes back home the way they came!

the only person that is really trying to use "facts" would be stern! everyone else just bases their arguments on opinions and assumptions!

you guys really need to sort it out!

I did, but that was about the WTC conspiracy. I used to be a clarkyx100, I made the first thread on it.

 

[Yuri]

You didn't make the first thread on it, actually, there's been threads on the subject ever since I joined.

And how you seem to take pride in being an "Ignoramus x 100" is pretty funny.

Although are you saying you changed your mind since then?

 

[Solaris]

You didn't make the first thread on it, actually, there's been threads on the subject ever since I joined.

And how you take pride in being an "Ignoramus x 100" is pretty funny.

I'm not, I was indeed very wrong.

 

[Yuri]

Yeah, I edited and understand now.

Sorry

 

[jverne]

jverne... just stop yelling. Please. But I totally agree, and tend to ignore Solaris about half of the time. Political debates on the internet hardly ever go anywhere, and stating that doesn't make you a fool.

sorry i'll try to use less exclamations (sp?). it seems everybody thinks i'm yelling.

but after i started a thread trying only to focus on reall black on white facts, it was closed and i was called an idiot!

then i use only one simple fact (melting steel) to prove my argument and get called a conspiracy theorist!

 

[kirovman]

sorry i'll try to use less exclamations (sp?). it seems everybody thinks i'm yelling.

<statement>!

<statement>!

 

[jverne]

i'm trying my best.


see...here is another constructive debate...

exclamations mean ylling->i don't want to yell->there is the FACT that i use to many exclamations (look back)->i try to correct my mistake and use less exclamations->tada...problem solved


THIS IS A CONSTRUCTIVE DEBATE, SIMPLE ISN'T IT?

but of course who gives a flying f*** about facts?


ok...this wasn't a true debate but you get the picture.

so next time stern post some picture of an US soldier beating the shit out of an iraqi kid, don't say "it's not ture, in reallity that is his girlfriend and i have my opinion to back up my statment"!

 

[CptStern]

heh ..I've posted videos, they prove my point

 

[jverne]

heh ..I've posted videos, they prove my point

you have my respect stern...because even tough political debates are really hard to objectively debate, you at least try to keep it constructive and fact based.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

So, ZRUKEN COW PLOY MASCOT, you believe that the towers did not fall because of the planes that hit them, but you also don't know why they fell, but "never said" it was because of bombs?

...
I never doubted the planes had significant structural impact on the buildings. I saw it on the news as it happened and always believed what I saw.

My stance as it has been since the beginning of that thread that the official story was hacked together without considering all plausible events.

Please do not jump to conclusions or patronize me.

 

[CptStern]

you have my respect stern...because even tough political debates are really hard to objectively debate, you at least try to keep it constructive and fact based.

ya ...probably why I never post in the 9/11 threads ...there just isnt enough for me to make a compelling argument ...besides I prefer real world conspiracies cuz in my experience the powers that be NEVER cover their tracks ..they always make stupid transparent mistakes and are usually exposed because of something incredibly simple

 

[Mechagodzilla]

the official story was hacked together without considering all plausible events.

If you question the plane, that means you are claiming the invisible bombs are plausible.

There is no third option. Either it was planes or it was mystery invisa-bombs.

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

If you question the plane, that means you are claiming the invisible bombs are plausible.

There is no third option. Either it was planes or it was mystery invisa-bombs.

Again, I don't question the plane. I said this not but 5 minutes ago in the post you just replied to.

A third option would be poor construction. A fourth would be weakened structure prior to 9/11.

The 1975 fire, the Unabomber... there are many possibilities but the point i tried to make earlier in this thread is the official report does not make perfect sense of the buildings collapse given the evidence and explanation they presented.

I gave you a piece of that swiss cheese explanation not too long ago.

 

[Mechagodzilla]

So now you're saying the building plausibly spontaneously collapsed without any plane or bomb, just out of pure construction errors?

Goddamn.

 

[CptStern]

alright boys take it outside

/me grabs Mecha, Ryuken by scruff of collar and boots them outside