Anime...

[Sulkdodds]

Doesn't make finding the mystical orb of rinji held by the mystical otakuniki which is the most deadly thing to have ever lived to save the world and the main character is an emo 12 yr old who sucks and screws everything up until he is pushed face first into a portal that popped out of his hamburger where he finds the magical dragon and energy shoots out of his ass for no reason and he saves the day/world. Still a shitty plot, japanese or english.

Their mouths that are super small when closed and incredibly huge when open. The flying through the air scenes. I can't stand any of it. Not to mention I haven't found 1 story line that hasn't been complete BS that is so far fetched you couldn't come up with it if your not on drugs. Don't expect to change my opinion...you may like it but I hate anime.

No offence, but oh my god, shut up.
- Futuristic bounty hunter and friends go around a pretty realistically-realised solar system in their rustbucket spaceship. Sound slightly familiar?
- It's the future and mind and machine are beginning to meld. How implausible.
- A fantasy world where two large empires are locked in a political power struggle. Did I mentioned their use gigantic flying airship things? And actually it might actually be Earth in the future, or even some other planet?
- A woman fights in a secret war against vampires, but there is some ulterior takeover plot behind it and the 'original vampire' is somehow involved. My, nothing so stupid as that ever appears in Western media!
- Two normal people get caught up in the insanity of organised crime. I CANT BELIEVE WTF THEY WERE THINKING WITH THIS STUPID-ASS PLOT
- Ninjas and samurai. So ridiculous and unworthy of anyone's attention.
- A poignant tale of two orphans near the end of WW2. HOLY SHIT FLYING THROUGH THE AIR

So far-fetched!

You're being ridiculous. And I've only seen the most mainstream and famous anime serious; I haven't even really delved into the genre. When trying to think of good anime series I can mention, I can count them on my fingers - but only because they're actually the only ones I've seen. I've done the equivalent of playing the top 10 PC games or top 10 war films or top 10 whatever. And still I can name a load of plots that are shared or at least share similarities with english films (notice Firefly in there anywhere? It shares a lot with both Cowboy Bebop and Trigun, I think). You're clinging onto this bullshit conception that all anime ever is stupid, kiddie-style with bad dialogue and ridiculous plots and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

There is more to anime than Pokemon, just as there is more to PC games than Daikatana.

 

[Dalamari]

I hated Cowboy Bebop and Trigun btw :|

 

[Icarusintel]

I hated Cowboy Bebop and Trigun btw :|

That's too bad, they're both damn good in their own right

Did you ever see Neon Genesis Evangelion?

 

[jerkasaur]

i really don't care, i watch it i like it, i watch it i don't like it.. it's not like i hate it or love it.

 

[15357]

^ same.


Fullmetal Alchemist was awesome, btw.

 

[Sulkdodds]

I hated Cowboy Bebop and Trigun btw :|

Well that's your beef. Some people hate HL2 (they're wrong, but yeah) and I irrationally hate Gran Turismo. Only it doesn't give you the right to say all anime sucks just as it doesn't give me the right to say that all driving games suck..

I didn't really like Trigun either, to be honest.

 

[kupocake]

Straight from dictionary.com

So I still haven't gotten an answer why putting the japanese speach back in and adding subtitles will fix anything. All you have said was how it could fix things when someone has screwed up. Besides...those subtitles could also be translated wrong. Doesn't make finding the mystical orb of rinji held by the mystical otakuniki which is the most deadly thing to have ever lived to save the world and the main character is an emo 12 yr old who sucks and screws everything up until he is pushed face first into a portal that popped out of his hamburger where he finds the magical dragon and energy shoots out of his ass for no reason and he saves the day/world. Still a shitty plot, japanese or english.

Rather than waste my time on a response, I'm going to use a perfectly good one I found elsewhere in the thread.

No offence, but oh my god, shut up.

Glirk, your ability to read is laughable. You argue for the sake of arguing, not even adknowledging anything you say. YOUR IQ IS NOT RELATED TO YOUR POST COUNT.

 

[Lemonking]

I dig anime
Im buying a bunch on DVDs on Friday ^^

 

[Glirk Dient]

No offence, but oh my god, shut up.
- Futuristic bounty hunter and friends go around a pretty realistically-realised solar system in their rustbucket spaceship. Sound slightly familiar?
- It's the future and mind and machine are beginning to meld. How implausible.
- A fantasy world where two large empires are locked in a political power struggle. Did I mentioned their use gigantic flying airship things? And actually it might actually be Earth in the future, or even some other planet?
- A woman fights in a secret war against vampires, but there is some ulterior takeover plot behind it and the 'original vampire' is somehow involved. My, nothing so stupid as that ever appears in Western media!
- Two normal people get caught up in the insanity of organised crime. I CANT BELIEVE WTF THEY WERE THINKING WITH THIS STUPID-ASS PLOT
- Ninjas and samurai. So ridiculous and unworthy of anyone's attention.
- A poignant tale of two orphans near the end of WW2. HOLY SHIT FLYING THROUGH THE AIR

So far-fetched!

You're being ridiculous. And I've only seen the most mainstream and famous anime serious; I haven't even really delved into the genre. When trying to think of good anime series I can mention, I can count them on my fingers - but only because they're actually the only ones I've seen. I've done the equivalent of playing the top 10 PC games or top 10 war films or top 10 whatever. And still I can name a load of plots that are shared or at least share similarities with english films (notice Firefly in there anywhere? It shares a lot with both Cowboy Bebop and Trigun, I think). You're clinging onto this bullshit conception that all anime ever is stupid, kiddie-style with bad dialogue and ridiculous plots and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

There is more to anime than Pokemon, just as there is more to PC games than Daikatana.

You seem to be clinging on to me hating anime because it has shitty unrealistic stories. Nope, thats one of the smaller reasons. If an unrealistic event is done in a way that makes things believable and doesn't go over the top then it works and the movie fits. Hence star wars was big. An unrealistic universe that had back story and believability added into the movie. Anime...well it has energy shooting out of people and flying people that crash into mountains and blow the mountain up. Granted that is probally some of the more ridiculous anime out there. I am sure some anime has great stories that I would like, but the story isn't the biggest problem I have with anime.

I hate the way it looks, when I hate the way it looks I begin to criticize what I am watching. That means plot/storyline, dialogue...all of it. I honestly dont think subtitles or another anime show is going to fix the way all of it looks. Anime is stylized by the way it is drawn and I can't stand that. So you guys can stop trying to change my opinion because it is staying the same, I am not even sure why your all getting so heated over trying to change my opinion.

Rather than waste my time on a response, I'm going to use a perfectly good one I found elsewhere in the thread.

Glirk, your ability to read is laughable. You argue for the sake of arguing, not even adknowledging anything you say. YOUR IQ IS NOT RELATED TO YOUR POST COUNT.

What do you think your doing in that post? You prove nothing but only flame there. Simple trolling. First you start off trying to change my opinion then when you realize you can't you go on to trolling? Tisk tisk...when will you grow up?

 

[Sulkdodds]

If you don't want to read the whole post, here's a summing up:

If you don't like the visual style then you don't like it. But all the other stuff you said about anime being this or that is a load of crap, and that's what we've been arguing against - the preconception that anime is all big boops, bigger guns and 'energy shooting out of people's asses'.

FIRST OFF: This is not me 'worked up' or 'getting heated' because I rarely do so on the internet and then only if it's like crazy racists or madmen or something. This is me having fun arguing.

You seem to be clinging on to me hating anime because it has shitty unrealistic stories. Nope, thats one of the smaller reasons.

Do I come off like that? Whoops. I clearly haven't expressed myself properly. My point is not just about stories. You say you don't like anime because of:

- shitty unrealistic stories
- shitty unrealistic dialogue
- shitty unrealistic action
- shitty unrealistic drawing style

And let me note here that you've mainly been focusing on the first three with not much mention to the last one which you now claim is your main beef. :/

Now, while it's slightly silly to say 'anime style' because it varies quite a lot and is almost as wide as western comic art, there's nothing anyone can do about that. But my point is not just 'OH ANIME DON't HVE SHITTY STORY'. My point is that other than 'imo anime drawing looks shit' all your other reasons for hating it are composed mainly of bullshit and preconceptions. I was using 'plotlines' as just one specific way to illustrate the following points:

- you're making generalisations almost as stupid as Stern's in that religion thread.
- Furthermore, you're apparently making those generalisations after experiencing only the most average/shitty examples of the medium
- Furthermore, a lot of the things you claim about anime are true also of western media, with which anime shares a lot of similarities. The Last Vampire? Hi Underworld-but-better!

I can make all of these points in the areas of action/events and in dialogue if you wish, but I really shouldn't need to.

You're misunderstanding me, basically. If you hate anime, fair enough. It's stupid and frankly irrational especially if you haven't actually seen any decent shows, but it's fair enough - or it would be if you claimed to actually have a legitimate reason for it. Rather, you make these generalisations about 'shitty unrealistic whatever' which just aren't true at all. If you'd said from the beginning 'I don't like anime because of the art style - I just can't stand it', and if that was your big reason, then whatever. Put it down to personal taste. But you're saying that you don't like anime because 'all anime is shitty/unrealistic/whatever' and that just isn't true at all.

the story isn't the biggest problem I have with anime.

It's damn well the one you've spent the thread talking about. D:

[joke]You are like a racist, only with visual media instead of people.[/joke]

The above is only half a joke. A racist might claim that black people are dirty, violent and stupid. These generalisations simply are not true, even if many black people (just as many white people) are dirty and/or violent and/or stupid. That sounds like a stupid and needlessly contraversial thing to say, but it's just the same thing in a sense - entirely baseless prejudice.

PS:

If an unrealistic event is done in a way that makes things believable and doesn't go over the top then it works and the movie fits.

What, you mean like Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion, Ghost in the Shell, Akira, The Last Vampire, Last Exile, Hellsing (well, actually that kinda sucks), Gungrave, The Animatrix, ect? And half of those aren't even 'unrealistic events' anyway? Not to mention that I've only scratched the surface in terms of what anime I've watched, and I haven't even said anything about Spirited Away and Howl's Moving Castle either.

 

[kupocake]

First you start off trying to change my opinion then when you realize you can't you go on to trolling?

This is EXACTLY the problem. You moan here like your opinion is a precious temple of sacredness, and quite frankly that's the impression that I got within reading two of your posts. You don't listen to shit. Rather than persist in trying any kind of meaningful conversation with you - utterly useless when you arrogantly display an utter disdain for anyone's counter-arguements - I resorted to fighting fire with fire. You trolled well before I did. In fact, isn't that the point of your presence here merely to make people mad with narrow-minded views, in other words, trolling? YOU grow up or f**k off.

Edit: a for the love of god show your "maturity" by "rising above" this. Or something. No one wants to listen to your prattle.

 

[Glirk Dient]

And let me note here that you've mainly been focusing on the first three with not much mention to the last one which you now claim is your main beef. :/

Because people don't argue the first point so there is no need to defend myself hence less emphasis on it.

all your other reasons for hating it are composed mainly of bullshit and preconceptions. I was using 'plotlines' as just one specific way to illustrate the following points:

- you're making generalisations almost as stupid as Stern's in that religion thread.
- Furthermore, you're apparently making those generalisations after experiencing only the most average/shitty examples of the medium
- Furthermore, a lot of the things you claim about anime are true also of western media, with which anime shares a lot of similarities. The Last Vampire? Hi Underworld-but-better!

I can make all of these points in the areas of action/events and in dialogue if you wish, but I really shouldn't need to.

You're misunderstanding me, basically. If you hate anime, fair enough. It's stupid and frankly irrational especially if you haven't actually seen any decent shows, but it's fair enough - or it would be if you claimed to actually have a legitimate reason for it. Rather, you make these generalisations about 'shitty unrealistic whatever' which just aren't true at all. If you'd said from the beginning 'I don't like anime because of the art style - I just can't stand it', and if that was your big reason, then whatever. Put it down to personal taste. But you're saying that you don't like anime because 'all anime is shitty/unrealistic/whatever' and that just isn't true at all.



It's damn well the one you've spent the thread talking about. D:

[joke]You are like a racist, only with visual media instead of people.[/joke]

The above is only half a joke. A racist might claim that black people are dirty, violent and stupid. These generalisations simply are not true, even if many black people (just as many white people) are dirty and/or violent and/or stupid. That sounds like a stupid and needlessly contraversial thing to say, but it's just the same thing in a sense - entirely baseless prejudice.

Fair judgement. My hatred of anime really stems from the drawing. I can't buy into the story nor dialogue and end up criticizing it because of that. Hence my generalisations. I pointed that out in my other thread, guess I rambled on too much heh.

This is EXACTLY the problem. You moan here like your opinion is a precious temple of sacredness, and quite frankly that's the impression that I got within reading two of your posts. You don't listen to shit. Rather than persist in trying any kind of meaningful conversation with you - utterly useless when you arrogantly display an utter disdain for anyone's counter-arguements - I resorted to fighting fire with fire. You trolled well before I did. In fact, isn't that the point of your presence here merely to make people mad with narrow-minded views, in other words, trolling? YOU grow up or f**k off.

Edit: a for the love of god show your "maturity" by "rising above" this. Or something. No one wants to listen to your prattle.

So you continue to troll for no reason? You aren't even attempting to refute anything I say, just throw mud around. Yet you tell me go grow up and show my maturity by rising above this? Who is the one slinging mud?

 

[ríomhaire]

Well that's your beef. Some people hate HL2 (they're wrong, but yeah) and I irrationally hate Gran Turismo. Only it doesn't give you the right to say all anime sucks just as it doesn't give me the right to say that all driving games suck..

I didn't really like Trigun either, to be honest.

Hating Gran Turismo is perfectly rational.

 

[Lemonking]

hey Glirk If yopu want a non-crazy story then watcgh Whispers of the Heart or Grave of the Fireflies

 

[Vegeta897]

Hmm, basically, what Sulk said.

And Glirk, all your points besides the drawings style are referring only to action animes... There are plenty of others, like romance and comedy. You should try watching one of those, some of them are very deep. I may suggest Chobits, if you care (which I doubt you do)

I still don't know why you bother posting at all with such determination. Sure you may be right about the parts you don't generalise (even though you generalize with basically everything, except for the drawing style)... But I think by now everyone knows you as the 'anime-hater' You're basically just riling up the people who don't like ignorance.

And you can't deny that you are generalizing anime. I've already pointed out an example in this post. Absolutely not all animes exxagerate facial expressions. Like I said, all you talk about are the action ones, and none of the serious and deeper ones.

And your talk about proportions? HA! Are you saying American cartoons are more proportionate? FACT: Anime has the MOST proportionate and realistic-to-human drawings styles out of ANY cartoon. (There may be an exception somewhere, but I don't know about it) So I have no idea why you would complain about that. Look at other cartoons. Simple drawings, they are. The backgrounds are simple as well. Then look at anime. A lot more realistic proportions and details in the characters, and also excellent painted backgrounds.

Voice acting? Yes I agree that English voice acting is 95 percent of the time crap. But most anime fans watch subtitled versions. (FLCL is an example of excellent English voice acting, by the way)

I'd like to see you give some solid reasons (ones that don't generalize for a change) to back up your points, ESPECIALLY the ones about the drawing style.

 

[Darkside55]

I say, if Glirk hates anime, let him hate anime. As he said, he hates the visual style so everything else (stories, voice acting, etc.) is judged from that starting point. And if a person can't stand the way something looks they're not going to be interested in it. I noticed the comparison of game genres popping up in this thread; you could compare this to a "gameplay vs. graphics" debate as well. If you don't like looking at a game you're not going to want to play it no matter how good everything else is. It's the same here, for anime. Let the guy hate anime and stop suggesting shows for him to watch because he's NOT GOING TO LIKE THEM BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY LOOK. Period. And it's his opinion.

Myself, I love (most) anime. I'm actually listening to the 4th OP for Eureka Seven as I'm typing this. I've seen a couple "meh" anime series, but I've had the good fortune to avoid watching or reading anything that's turned out to be utter crap, so my outlook on the whole thing has remained positive for the past...uh...twelve years?

Just another side note. I always find it funny how, whenever I hear people trying to convince other people of the merits of anime, they always list the same tired-old series you can watch on Cartoon Network, Miyazaki's movies, and Akira. It's almost like anime-fans repeat this list verbatim, like they pulled it out of a pamphlet or something. "You're probably just watching Pokemon! Have you seen _________? (Insert Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, NGE) You might also want to watch _________ (insert Spirited Away, Howl's Moving Castle, ZOMG AKIRA! TETSUOOOOOOOOOOOO!), because it's got incredible art style, high production values, and a great story. It's probably the best anime movie you'll ever see."

Hehe, so tired and outdated. Watch some new stuff, guys.

 

[Vegeta897]

I guess noone's reading anymore...

We don't have a problem with Glirk hating anime. But when he justifies it by generalizing everything in it, (in other words, false statements) then it's kinda lame :\ I really don't care whether he likes it or not. I don't think ANYONE is trying to convert anyone in this thread. In fact Glirk even said that he wasn't going to change, and Kupo said he wasn't trying to change him either. And neither am I. I'm just trying to point out his generalizations

It's all in good fun, this arguing.

And your last comment is generalistic in itself I don't watch old stuff, I dont think. Then again I don't know much about anime really, and only watch 2 or 3 carefully selected series.

Oh, and classics don't tire and out-date my friend This applies for anything... Movies, games, books..

 

[Darkside55]

Even if no one's trying to convert him, I'm just trying to stem the debate going on here. It's somewhat worthless to try and educate him on how false his statements are, isn't it? He's still not going to like it at the end of the day, and I daresay he probably won't even care if someone proves him wrong. It's all ass-lasers and flying through the atmosphere to him.

And your last comment is generalistic in itself I don't watch old stuff, I dont think. Then again I don't know much about anime really, and only watch 2 or 3 carefully selected series.

Oh, and classics don't tire and out-date my friend This applies for anything... Movies, games, books..

Everything listed in this thread so far: old. OLD. I guess if you really like something, you're bound to encourage others to watch it, but my generalization in this case is true. Not just here, but like...everywhere I've ever seen this conversation on the interweb, or heard it in real life, people use those same three series, Miyazaki movies, and Akira. Oh, and I forgot Grave of the Fireflies, of which there's even a separate thread in this very forum! I realize that people are trying to get people into anime using the series that they thought were good, but there HAS been better since. Actually, there's even been better BEFORE, but no one ever lists those anime series.

I sort-of agree on your last statement. Certain (linear, I am excluding multiplayer games and fighting games) games I'm compelled to play over and over again (Half-Life 1, FF7), and there are certain movies I like to rewatch. Books...personally I tend not to read the same book twice. And with anime series I try only to watch the whole thing once and then never watch it again. Ever. Keeps the whole thing fresh.

 

[Vegeta897]

Jeez, how can you say they are really that old We must have different views of that. For someone like me, it really doesn't matter how old it is... Seriously, what difference does it make?
Would you consider Azumanga Daioh (the anime) old? It's like 2004. IMO that's not old in the least. And FLCL? Come on.

Also: You may have a point about the pointlessness of proving him wrong.

But I still can't understand how he complains about the proportions of anime style drawing

Seriously... Point me to one non-anime cartoon that has more realistic proportions.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Actually I don't really have a problem with Anime so much. I was mostly debating because I dislike it and from what I have seen the generalisations I made were true in the few "good" episodes my friends made me watch.

It is mostly a few of the people that watch anime that I hate. The people that embrace everything japanese, not because its cool but because its japanese. The kinds of people that adopt japanese names and make everyone refer to them as that. The people who wear hello kitty t-shirts that were made for school girls yet they still wear it even though they are obese. It is those kinds of people that circle jerk while watching anime not because the show is good, but because it came from japan. They would sooner die than admit their obsession with everything japanese is a sham. I couldn't find the maddox article that does a better job explaining than I did, but you get the point.

I hate those people with a passion, more so than the wiggers(chavs).

 

[Darkside55]

I was referring to Trigun, Bebop, and NGE mostly. No one ever tries to get people into anime by watching Azu that I've ever seen. They always go for the "flashier" stuff, guns and 'splosions. Also, it's not just that they're "dated" in terms of when they were on air, it's that they're dated in how much they're spoken of. They're overplayed, overhyped.

Also, I dislike FLCL.

Edited to include thoughts on Glirk's post:

No one likes a Wapanese. They're scum, really. All "Baka baka ecchi waiii kawaii sugoi ne sugoi ne kawaii desu yooooo nyao neko neko kawaiiiiiiiii!" Even anime fans hate those people. They disgrace the rest of us, really. And considering that they're trying so hard to be Japanese, that disgrace should mean seppukku (ritual suicide) for the lot of 'em.

 

[Vegeta897]

I pity you Glirk, for having the displeasure of witnessing in real life those kinds of people. Thankfully, there are none that I've seen, yet...

As long as you know that I'm not one of those people (I really am not that big of an anime fan, but I like to argue...) then we should be fine

 

[Sulkdodds]

I don't think those people exist in Britain, you kerr-aaazy Americans. D:

I also have a reason for listing the same old animes all the time - and that's because as I said before I've hardly actually seen any - I've scratched the surface/watched the top 10/whatever. I didn't 'get' bitorrent until very recently so I've been limited to what friends download and can be arsed to put on discs, and what happens to be in stock down at the libary.

FACT: Anime has the MOST proportionate and realistic-to-human drawings styles out of ANY cartoon. (There may be an exception somewhere, but I don't know about it)

I think that would be Titan AE.

 

[cquinn]

I think the basic problem with Glirk is he is generalizing at too high a degree.

He characterizes all anime as the same based on what his "friends" watch.
But he characterizes anime fans based on a few extreme examples of
what people who get too much into their entertainment end up doing with
thier time.

If you ran a poll here asking how many people would like to dress up
as thier favorite HL2 characters, a good number would jump at the
chance. That doesn't necessarily make them losers or fanboys.

But Glirk is being as much of a fanboy in this hatred of anime for the
sake of proving a point, as the people he claims to hate for embracing
Japanese for the sake of liking anime.

Every successful fad develops a cult following at some point, that doesn't
make the fad itself bad; but people new to it, or those who have had little
exposure might find themselves lost in all the knockoff and rip-offs that
come along once the fad becomes popular, and have a hard time understanding what other people see in it.

If you can't see what others like in a fad, or don't want to get that
caught up in it yourself, then it is a good idea to avoid those types
of people and find something you like to do instead.

If you have the time to get this worked up over anime, instead of spending
time say, playing Half Life 2, or at least complaining that Aftermath isn't
here yet, then the anime fanboys win. Because while you are here being
miserable about what other people get themselves into, they are having
much more fun. And all you are proving is how little understanding you
have on the subject.

Sulkdodds:

I think that would be Titan AE

Actually it would be "American Pop" on the US side, a short lived animated
movie from the early 80s IIRC. (it was also a Ralph Bakshi film).
Or parts of the old classic "Heavy Metal"

Titan AE was Don Bluth, who used pretty much the same drawing style as
Dragon's Lair and Space Ace (which he also invented). AE does a better
job with body proportions, but still tries to keep the "cartoony" aspects
of facial expressions and peoples fashion choices like hairstyles.

On the Japanese side, you would have to look for titles like "Perfect Blue"
or "Millennium Actress" for the better examples of realistic character designs
on that side of the Pacific.

And if you are willing to include CG, then you have to include the works
of Square-Enix from the Final Fantasy games to the Movie: The Spirits Within,
and Advent Children.

But of course, if you are going to do that, it leads right into Half Life 2,
where Valve went out of thier way to create/include new animation
technology specifically designed to provide realistic facial expressions
on the characters. As well as continually trying to push the envelope
on what can be depicted as realistic landscapes and battle situations.

 

[Fliko]

Letsa See.
http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,1265,mybywf,fullmetal_alche.html - Fullmetal Alchemist

http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,1384,pogqib,ghost_in_the_sh.html - Ghost in the Shell Innocence (GITS in general, just using this for reasons to defeat the Big Boobs idea. You have to remember, Japanese people are very... errr... Perverted in a way I suppose. They have vending machines to buy used panties, for men to do what they see fit with it.)

http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,1191,ejldke,last_exile.html - Last Exile

http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,713,drvfsa,hellsing.html - Hellsing (Great Series IMO, some may disagree, its a hate or like.)

This is also Gundam, which don't get me wrong, some of the series of Gundam are pretty bad, some are good. Its also an outdated movie in the term of graphics.
http://www.animenfo.com/search.php?query=Gundam&queryin=anime_titles&option=keywords

How can you not like Anime? If you look carefuly enough, you can find something you'll most likely like.

 

[Sparta]

The only anime films i like are the Hayao Miyazaki ones. And i don't really refer to them as anime, as anime is usually full of gratutitous violence, nudity, maybe a sex/rape scene and always feature a really pretentious plot.

See Neon-Genesis or Ghost In The Shell and you'll know what i mean.

I thought Neon-Genesis was wicked when i was 10 because it had giant robots fighting. After watching a few episodes in my teens i realised that the time inbetween the fighting is spent dwelling on Shinji's hormones and lack of self esteem. Its just so ****ing lame after 3 episodes that i can't believe they kept going on for another 9 and eventually a movie. And don't get me started on that piece of shit movie. That was beyond pretentious and simply a masturbation fiesta for the ****ing director and writer.

There was one episode of Ghost In The Shell which wasn't bad though. It focussed on those robots and how they were developing intellectually. In the end they decided they were learning too fast and lied to them about upgrading them, when they were really going to destroy them. That was good. Other than that everything else i've seen sucks.

The reason i like Hayao Miyazaki films is because they avoid all the bad qualities of the above animes and feature some absolutely kickass worlds/environments. Like Laputa or Princess Monoke. Or the bathhouse in Spirited Away. Not to mention their all adventures which are just fantastic stuff. Some of them i kinda see as the Indiana Jones movies of japanese animation.

 

[Lemonking]

I liked NGE , but I like all kinds of anime.....



Elfen Lied,Ghost in the Shell...all kinds of stuff ^__^

 

[DESSTROYER]

i hate about all anime, when my brother's friend comes over, he hogs up just about EVERY TV someone is watching then changes it to "POKEMON" or "DIGIMAWN" or "BAY BLEHDS"

i hate that freaking bayblades or whatever

"USE THE TOP *top goes spinning*
"AHH *CRASHES INTO ANOTHER TOP*
*MONSTER POPS OUT* WARUUGHH *FIGHTS
"MY TOP MONSTER IS BEDDAR THAN YOU"
"LET IT RIP" "ANOTHER TOP GOES FLYING AND
"MONSTER POPS OUT" EAT THIISS
WAURGH MY TOP FELL OVER
*MONSTER DIES* I WIN

and those other crappy animes with a whole squad of people with m4's mp5's shotguns etc

and this 1 guy against 12 runs out with a sword with NO ARMOR the whole squad goes firing onto him
he blocks EVERY SHOT with the bullet until he gets shot into the head, DOING A BACKFLIP then getting up getting pissed off
and running to them and cuts them all in half with a sword.

WTF? the sword is so old today, we dont USE swords no more, in fact they are OBSOLUTE and theres no such thing as "MAGICAL POWARZ" and all that BS

nobody comes up with any new storys, all of them have been used over and over again.

 

[Lemonking]

Thats not anime....its a disgrace

 

[Sulkdodds]

WTF? the sword is so old today, we dont USE swords no more, in fact they are OBSOLUTE and theres no such thing as "MAGICAL POWARZ" and all that BS ETC ETC ETC

What a silly post. Am I to assume that you consider every film with 'magic' in it 'BS'?

 

[VictimOfScience]

WTF? the sword is so old today, we dont USE swords no more, in fact they are OBSOLUTE and theres no such thing as "MAGICAL POWARZ" and all that BS

nobody comes up with any new storys, all of them have been used over and over again.

Look, I agree that there is a ton of garbage that can be called 'anime' out there, but there is also a lot of amazing and intensely beautiful, artistic, and thoughtful material out there as well. Please watch films like Nausicaa, Princess Mononoke, Steamboy, Castle in the Sky, Grave of the Fireflies, Millenium Actress, Spirited Away, and many many more and see that there is so much more to anime than Pokemon!

 

[Lemonking]

btw I watched Castle in the Sky a few days ago...good film

 

[Sparta]

Allow me to eliminate all the films not made by Studio Ghibli

Look, I agree that there is a ton of garbage that can be called 'anime' out there, but there is also a lot of amazing and intensely beautiful, artistic, and thoughtful material out there as well. Please watch films like Steamboy, Millenium Actress, and many many more and see that there is so much more to anime than Pokemon!

I think its fair to say anything by Studio Ghibli should not be compared to, or even mentioned in the same sentence as, what is largely considered to be Anime.

I also realise the irony of that sentence.

 

[someone402]

I used to like anime, but then found out how gay it is. Family Guy owns all. Family guy=not anime. Anime= Japenese cartoons. And has anyone ever seen an anime with no violence?

 

[kupocake]

I used to like anime, but then found out how gay it is. Family Guy owns all. Family guy=not anime. Anime= Japenese cartoons. And has anyone ever seen an anime with no violence?

I have possibly seen more without violence than more with.

 

[someone402]

I have possibly seen more without violence than more with.

Can you name them?

 

[kupocake]

It's kind of hard to compile the list because what you term as violence isn't clear to me. Does the association stretch to cartoonish slapstick comedy like someone comically hitting somebody for being stupid? I assume not. Other grey areas: Is two large robots shooting at each-other in space really "violent" when no blood is really spilt? Is the act of fighting "violence"?. If all those things apply as violence, then yes, it is incredibly hard to find anime that isn't violent, but I suspect it's hard to find much of anything that isn't violent. Anyway i've assumed that these things aren't really violence and I get on with the list

Movies: Laputa: Castle in the Sky, the Cat Returns, Kiki's Delivery Service, the Little Norse Prince, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind, Porco Rosso, Pom Poko, Spirited Away, The Castle of Cagliostro There are a handful more movies that don't really count in the traditional sense of "ultra-violence", yet contain something a little more than harmless cartoonish violence: Grave of the Fireflies, Metropolis and Tokyo Godfathers (the former is an artistic film about war so violence is incidental, but actually very rarely seen, the second has blood and guns but is really not violent, the later has one of the main characters beaten by a gang of youths, though there is little blood or anything).
Series: Azumanga Daioh, Fruits Basket, Here is Greenwood, Gundam 0079, Zeta Gundam, ZZ Gundam, Gundam X, Turn-A Gundam, V Gundam, Kare Kano, Martian Successor Nadesico, Nadia: The secret of blue water. There are a whole load of other series that if we're being pedantic are probably violent, but I don't particularly feel that: Ranma 1/2 (Cartoonish Martial arts), Fushigi Yuugi (there's blood and stuff but I just can't think of it as violent), Escaflowne (blood, fighting robots but hardly that violent) and One Piece (its too kiddy to be truely violent surely?).

As for the stuff that is violent:
Movies: Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop: The Movie, Perfect Blue, Princess Mononoke (which is kind of borderline cartoonish violence), Memories (well, one of the stories is, the other two aren't actually violent at all)
Series: Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist, Great Teacher Onizuka, Gundam 0080, Gundam Seed / Seed Destiny, Gungrave, Evangelion, Trigun, Ghost in the Shell Standalone complex, Paranoia Agent.

I think it's clear from sizing up the lists that i've seen far, far less stuff that can be certainly said to be "violent". Also for the record, i've only seen all of 4 series in the violent list and have watched only a handful of episodes (1-4 eps) of 6 of those series.

Edit: By my reckoning, if we exclude the slightly "iffy" titles, it's 10 Movies / 12 Series non-violent Vs 5 1/3 and 11 violent.

Edit 2: If you were to be ultra conservative about violence (so much as a poke is violent assault), Kiki's Delivery Service would still hold up as un-violent. The rest of the stuff is guilty of some kind of fighting, no matter how rubbery or slapstick it is. But then, you'd be hard pressed to find programmes of any origin without those traits.

PS. I make no guarantees that any of this stuff is actually good of course And I especially make no guarantees that it's to your taste. The basic fact is that Anime spans many, many genres, including stuff like Romantic Comedy that people somehow discount as anime because it has neither gratious rape nor ultra-violence.

 

[dream431ca]

I can't stand Anime! I have a friend who watches it too much. He giggles a lot when he watches it...ARGG!!! It's makes me so angry because, I hate that kind of comedy, and I don't find it funny. I HATE SERIES ANIME!!!! Examples:

DRAGONBALL Z!! : I watched it years ago with my friend, and one whole episode is someone powering up; "GOKO! I WILL BEAT YOU!!" "NO YOU WON'T! LET ME POWERUP FOR 700 EPISODES FIRST!!! THEN I'LL FIGHT YOU!!"

700 episodes later: "ARGG!! Goko has gotten too strong!! I will not fight him until I POWER UP FOR 1000 EPISODES!!"

I hate that series.


There is only 2 movies of anime I like. First one is Akira. Lots of explosions, good story, great artwork, and good voice acting. The next is Steamboy, made by the same guy who did Akira, good story, great action, best artwork I have ever seen.

But I hate series Anime. Another example of horrid animation in series anime.

The artists are so lazy, they draw a picture and pan it around while someone talks....THAT'S NOT ANIMATION!! and this sometimes goes on for a whole 3 minutes...let the series anime stay in Japan where it belongs.