Anne Coulter = Owned

Yes she is.

This should've went to politics by god!
 
Canada did send war material and support personel to Vietnam. 10,000 Canadians did serve with US forces there.

So although I think she is annyoing and should shut up more, I could see why she might say that.
 
GhostFox said:
Canada did send war material and support personel to Vietnam. 10,000 Canadians did serve with US forces there.

So although I think she is annyoing and should shut up more, I could see why she might say that.
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You and Anne Coulter are both correct and incorrect in that statement. Canada, as far as i am aware, sent no troops to Vietnam, however, there were Canadian's who joined the US Military for the specific reason of fighting in Vietnam.

http://dede.essortment.com/canadasvietnam_rgwv.htm

http://www.mystae.com/reflections/vietnam/canada.html
 
Canada didn't 'send' anyone.
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While I agree that she was wrong, it's not like her comment was moronic. Canada did send war material and support personel. And yes Canada did not send the 10,000 combat soldiers, I never said that. The point being as stupid things said go, this is very minor and it is kind of sad how gleeful the poster seems over it.

It was an easy mistake to make. It's not like she said the US fought Antartica in WW2. If you carry on this way over it, it will only encourage her. When people absolutely blow things out of proportion it makes them look stupid and gives people like her more ammunition. Nobody's perfect. If people could just say "She made a mistake, it was kind of dumb and funny, so what" and move on, the world would probably be a better place.
 
Canada, as far as i am aware, sent no troops to Vietnam
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I never said that they did. Only war materal and support personel. When I said the thing about 10k troops I meant that they went with the US milliary. I am sorry if I did not make that clear.
 
GhostFox said:
While I agree that she was wrong, it's not like her comment was moronic. Canada did send war material and support personel. And yes Canada did not send the 10,000 combat soldiers, I never said that. The point being as stupid things said go, this is very minor and it is kind of sad how gleeful the poster seems over it.

It was an easy mistake to make. It's not like she said the US fought Antartica in WW2. If you carry on this way over it, it will only encourage her. When people absolutely blow things out of proportion it makes them look stupid and gives people like her more ammunition. Nobody's perfect. If people could just say "She made a mistake, it was kind of dumb and funny, so what" and move on, the world would probably be a better place.
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It was a slip of the tongue or a slight error, nothing more. What she said, in general, was correct in the fact that Canadian's did fight in Vietnam.
 
GhostFox said:
I never said that they did. Only war materal and support personel. When I said the thing about 10k troops I meant that they went with the US milliary. I am sorry if I did not make that clear.
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Relax, i am agreeing with you and Anne Coulter. :)
 
It was a slip of the tongue or an slight error, nothing more
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I think it was simply an error. She connected Canadian govt. support with 10k troops serving and connected it as the Canadian army serving in Vietnam. It was such a minor and silly error, it makes anyone jumping all over it look absolutely silly. People insist on invalidating their good points by acting like extremists. Once upon a time Michael Moore had some good ideas. Now liberals laugh at him becuase he insists on being so extreme that no one can take him seriously, even if he comes up with a good idea.

Moderation is key in life people. Don't build up these personal grudges.

EDIT: Razor, I just wanted to make sure others wouldn't be confused by my statement. I probably should have made it more clear the the Canadians were in the US millitary in my first post.
 
The point is that she was implying government support of the conflict on the equivalent level of joining the Iraq coalition, which is untrue given the neutrality at the time.
Without that context, her quote is indeed almost true. But the context is there.
 
which is untrue given the neutrality at the time.
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Canada's "neutrality" existed only on paper and even that was a farce. Canada was reprimanded at one of the diplomatic sessions for so blatently siding with the US on every issue. Canada only claimed neutrality to shut up hippies. They helped the US behind the scenes as much as possible. Whether or not you agree that they should have is one thing. But to actually claim that they were neutral is farsical.
 
Mechagodzilla said:
The point is that she was implying government support of the conflict on the equivalent level of joining the Iraq coalition, which is untrue given the neutrality at the time.
Without that context, her quote is indeed almost true. But the context is there.
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Her statement is true, the interviewer was incorrect, she was correct.
 
what does she do for a living or is she just a media whore?
 
She implied that Canada sent troops. She's wrong.
 
Absinthe said:
She implied that Canada sent troops. She's wrong.
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Yes, but as you can read from this website, Canada did support the war, Canada did help America in the war, and Canadians in North Vietnam did help pinpoint targets for US bombers...there were over 10,000 Canadians in South Vietnam fighting for America and Canada did send support personnel to South Vietnam. Canada also sold billions of $ worth of aid, supplies, parts and ammunition to both America to help in the war in Vietnam and the South Vietnamese army.

But no...Canada did not send fighting troops to fight for Canada in the South Vietnam war under the Canadian flag.

So it wouldn't be difficult for someone in Anne Coulter's position to get confused a little, but i still think she was more correct in her opinion then the host was in his.
 
anyways, the real point was that she was arguing that the Canadians were agaisnt the War in Iraq while they were for Vietnam. The truth is the people was/is agaisnt both wars but the Government, always loyal to the USA, sent troops/supported both wars.

No real argument to me.
 
Razor said:
But no...Canada did not send fighting troops to fight for Canada in the South Vietnam war under the Canadian flag.
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There we go.
 
Michael Moore and Ann Coulter should get married. They're perfect for eachother! We'd just have to sterilize them first of course, because we wouldn't want any mouth-running, half-truth spouting mini-idiots running around.

On a side note, looking at that website (moorewatch) makes me want to puke. Those people are just as bad as moore himself.
 
Yeah I agree, I used to be a Moore fan (back in the day) but since Bowling for Columbine he seems to have lost the plot a bit. The money must have gone to his head.
 
Bodacious said:
Seeing as how this is something from Michael Moore, it is only fair to get the story from the other side of the fence. Fair and Balanced, I report, you decide. :p

A reluctant defense of Ann Coulter
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That is pretty much the point that me, and a few others, have been trying to put across. Yes, Ms Coulter was incorrect in implying that Canada had sent troops, but the interviewer, through the words that he said and the way he send them, seemed to be a lot more ignorant about Canada's history then she did, or, he was trying to humiliate her and target her for her previous comments about Canada.
 
GhostFox said:
Canada did send war material and support personel to Vietnam. 10,000 Canadians did serve with US forces there.

So although I think she is annyoing and should shut up more, I could see why she might say that.
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no canada DID NOT SEND TROOPS..canadians volunteered but the government never officially sent troops, nor did the government ever help the US government in their war effort ..sure some canadian companies continued their arms contracts with the us military but those were established well befrore the war and were private companies to boot ..oh and there's some evidence of chemical testing in the maritimes but those were low grade and were part of an exchange program. Canada's government played no role what-so-ever

it's funny the spin you people put on something so concrete as:

“Canada did not send troops to Vietnam.”


I dont see how that can be misinterpreted ..it says what it says ..CANADA did NOT send troops ..he didnt say "canadians did not fight in vietnam"
 
GhostFox said:
While I agree that she was wrong, it's not like her comment was moronic. Canada did send war material and support personel. And yes Canada did not send the 10,000 combat soldiers, I never said that. The point being as stupid things said go, this is very minor and it is kind of sad how gleeful the poster seems over it.

It was an easy mistake to make. It's not like she said the US fought Antartica in WW2. If you carry on this way over it, it will only encourage her. When people absolutely blow things out of proportion it makes them look stupid and gives people like her more ammunition. Nobody's perfect. If people could just say "She made a mistake, it was kind of dumb and funny, so what" and move on, the world would probably be a better place.
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Anything to support that pathetic f*cktard Michael Moore. :upstare:
 
CptStern said:
no canada DID NOT SEND TROOPS..canadians volunteered but the government never officially sent troops, nor did the government ever help the US government in their war effort ..sure some canadian companies continued their arms contracts with the us military but those were established well befrore the war and were private companies to boot ..oh and there's some evidence of chemical testing in the maritimes but those were low grade and were part of an exchange program. Canada's government played no role what-so-ever

it's funny the spin you people put on something so concrete as:

“Canada did not send troops to Vietnam.”


I dont see how that can be misinterpreted ..it says what it says ..CANADA did NOT send troops ..he didnt say "canadians did not fight in vietnam"
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I think you should look at the links that have been posted and edit your post.

edit : http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Rhodes/1588/

t home. 500 firms sold $2.5 billion of war materiel (ammunition, napalm, aircraft engines and explosives) to the Pentagon. Another $10 billion in food, beverages, berets and boots for the troops was exported to the US, as well as nickel, copper, lead, brass and oil for shell casings, wiring, plate armor and military transport. In Canada unemployment fell to record low levels of 3.9%, the gross domestic product rose by 6% yearly, and capital expenditure expanded exponentially in manufacturing and mining as US firms invested more than $3 billion in Canada to offset shrinking domestic capacity as a result of the war. The herbicide "Agent Orange" was tested for use in Vietnam at CFB Gagetown, NB. US bomber pilots practiced carpet-bombing runs over Suffield, Alberta and North Battleford, Sask, before their tours of duty in SE Asia. And the results of the only successful peace initiative to Hanoi--That of Canadian diplomat Chester Ronning--would be kept from public knowledge in order not to harm official US-Canadian relations. Ten thousand young Canadian men fought in the US armed forces in the war. At the same time 20,000 American draft-dodgers and 12,000 army deserters found refuge in Canada.
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On a number of occasions, Ottawa stopped the shipment of ecumenical medical relief to civilian victims of the war in North Vietnam.
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Canadian diplomats were involved in negotiations between Washington and Hanoi and successive Canadian governments, both Liberal and Conservative, maintained that Ottawa was an impartial and objective peacekeeper, an innocent and helpful bystander negotiating for peace and administering aid to victims of the war. However, Cabinet papers, confidential stenographic minutes of the truce commissions as well as top-secret American government cables revealed Canada to be a willing ally of US counterinsurgency efforts.
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It doesn't seem from that link and those quotes that Canada was very neutral in the war. Canada seemed to of made a heck of a lot of money from "staying neutral" to the course of the Vietnam war, both the Canadian government and Canadian corporations and businesses.

It sounds that Canada was as much a neutral part of the Vietnam war as America was a neutral part of the first half of World War 2. Fine, they never fired a shot, but with all the aid, the weapons, tanks, ships, medical supplies, food, etc, they shipped over to Britain and other countries fighting Japan and the Axis, it doesn't seem that America was too...neutral?
 
PRIVATE companies ..not government run companies ...big difference

canada has often mediated peace accords between governments ..it's nothing new

if you use your logic, canada has been involved in every US was for the last 100 years or so, including Iraq
 
CptStern said:
PRIVATE companies ..not government run companies ...big difference

canada has often mediated peace accords between governments ..it's nothing new

if you use your logic, canada has been involved in every US was for the last 100 years or so, including Iraq
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Canada's record on the truce commissions was a partisan one, rooted in the presumption of Hanoi's guilt and Saigon's innocence and designed to discredit North Vietnam while exonerating South Vietnam from its obligations to uphold the Geneva Agreements. Canadian delegates engaged in espionage for the US Central Intelligence Agency and aided the covert introduction of American arms and personnel into South Vietnam while they spotted for US bombers over North Vietnam.
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That isn't Canadian private companies spotting for US aircraft or dealing out aid to South Vietnam whilst hampering aid efforts in North Vietnam, private companies don't lease out their parking lots so b52s can carpet bomb them for practice...


Like i said, it seems Canada was as much a neutral country during the Vietnam war as America was in the first 3 years of World War 2.

If Canada was truely neutral, they would of given both North and South Vietnam equal treatment and rallied Washington for peace and helped in peace accords, yes they did do this to a point, but they also did things behind the scenes as well, things that weren't so...neutral.
 
Razor said:
That isn't Canadian private companies spotting for US aircraft or dealing out aid to South Vietnam whilst hampering aid efforts in North Vietnam, private companies don't lease out their parking lots so b52s can carpet bomb them for practice...
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I agree but there was no "official role" ..there were no commitment of troops which is what coulter was suggesting. As a member of nato there's no question that canada plays a big role in some intelligence operations during wartime ..they may have as you suggested supported the US in it's policy.

Canada has 28 or so troops in iraq (exchange program) they've also sent in delegates to iraq before the war ..but that doesnt imply that canada has an active direct role in the war


razor said:
If Canada was truely neutral, they would of given both North and South Vietnam equal treatment and rallied Washington for peace and helped in peace accords, yes they did do this to a point, but they also did things behind the scenes as well, things that weren't so...neutral.
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well sweden, switzerland, portugal were neutral during the war, yet they had trade links to the nazis and helped ferry tons of stolen nazi gold ..yet no one would accuse the governments of those respective countries as having an active role in the war, even though the governments were aware of what their banks were doing


what I dont want people to misunderstand is that while canada may have played an indirect role ..there was NO direct involvement as Coulter suggests
 
CptStern said:
I agree but there was no "official role" ..there were no commitment of troops which is what coulter was suggesting. As a member of nato there's no question that canada plays a big role in some intelligence operations during wartime ..they may have as you suggested supported the US in it's policy.

Canada has 28 or so troops in iraq (exchange program) they've also sent in delegates to iraq before the war ..but that doesnt imply that canada has an active direct role in the war




well sweden, switzerland, portugal were neutral during the war, yet they had trade links to the nazis and helped ferry tons of stolen nazi gold ..yet no one would accuse the governments of those respective countries as having an active role in the war, even though the governments were aware of what their banks were doing


what I dont want people to misunderstand is that while canada may have played an indirect role ..there was NO direct involvement as Coulter suggests
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Wouldn't spotting for American bombers in North Vietnam be a direct role though? I know Canada never had a direct role when it comes to the war in Iraq, but they did have a "direct" role, if you know what i mean. They did support US troops in South Vietnam and they did support South Vietnam and the US in their war on North Vietnam, unofficially.
 
Razor said:
Wouldn't spotting for American bombers in North Vietnam be a direct role though? I know Canada never had a direct role when it comes to the war in Iraq, but they did have a "direct" role, if you know what i mean. They did support US troops in South Vietnam and they did support South Vietnam and the US in their war on North Vietnam, unofficially.
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I cant find any direct sources that support the bomb spotting ..but here's something that may tie that in:

The war in Vietnam wasn't Canada's war. Ottawa didn't send troops - but Canada did send a lot of other things, like TB clinics and doctors and nurses. There was also material that was not so benign - from helicopter parts to bomb bays and bulk explosives. That material didn't go directly to Vietnam.

Canada and the US were partners in NATO and NORAD, and in 1959 we'd become partners in defence production, too. The Defence Production Sharing Agreements meant that Canada helped fuel the American war in Vietnam. The arms industry also fueled the Canadian economy. Through much of the 1960's, Canada's unemployment rate was below four per cent.

The NDP leader of the time, Tommy Douglas, called it "blood money to the tune of more than $300-million a year."

"If it were a question of morality and if I felt that it were bad to sell arms to the United States in a moral sense then I would have to feel that it's bad also to sell them nickel and asbestos and airplane components." Former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau.
Canada sold record quantities of nickel, iron ore, lead, zinc, copper and oil to the United States - and arms. It was estimated that as many as 145,000 jobs were tied directly or indirectly to arms sales; jobs with companies like United Aircraft and De Havilland, Magna Electronics, Fleet Manufacturing and Canadian Marconi.


source


I did find out that agent orange was tested in new brunswick during the war ...that's bad
 
CptStern said:
I cant find any direct sources that support the bomb spotting ..but here's something that may tie that in:

The war in Vietnam wasn't Canada's war. Ottawa didn't send troops - but Canada did send a lot of other things, like TB clinics and doctors and nurses. There was also material that was not so benign - from helicopter parts to bomb bays and bulk explosives. That material didn't go directly to Vietnam.

Canada and the US were partners in NATO and NORAD, and in 1959 we'd become partners in defence production, too. The Defence Production Sharing Agreements meant that Canada helped fuel the American war in Vietnam. The arms industry also fueled the Canadian economy. Through much of the 1960's, Canada's unemployment rate was below four per cent.

The NDP leader of the time, Tommy Douglas, called it "blood money to the tune of more than $300-million a year."

"If it were a question of morality and if I felt that it were bad to sell arms to the United States in a moral sense then I would have to feel that it's bad also to sell them nickel and asbestos and airplane components." Former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau.
Canada sold record quantities of nickel, iron ore, lead, zinc, copper and oil to the United States - and arms. It was estimated that as many as 145,000 jobs were tied directly or indirectly to arms sales; jobs with companies like United Aircraft and De Havilland, Magna Electronics, Fleet Manufacturing and Canadian Marconi.


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That would also tie in with a lot of what the sources i found were saying.
 
yes but none of it can be tied to a direct link ...their role in norad, the fact that canadian company Uniroyal sold agent orange to the US, or common exports that can have military use ..it's more business agreement than a wartime ally ..but dont misunderstand this as meaning I wash my hands of canadian complicity ...au contrair!

the US' is canada's biggest trade partner, they're not going to shoot themselves in the foot ..unlike the recent condemnations of Zimbabwe's President Mugabe who is accused of crimes against humanity. Canada has little trade with Zimbabwe and few canadian investment/businesses, so they can openly condemn them without stepping on the toes of the canadian corporate sector. Definately morally questionable ...but then again I think all governments are in favour of business interests in varying degrees
 
This is all silly. Was she technically wrong?

Yes she was. Canada did support the US during vietnam, but it was not direct support in the way of combat troops.

Was her mistake that big? Not really.

Does it make people who get all excited over her little mistake look stupid? Absolutely.

I think we can all leave it at that and move on.
 
as I've ****ing said, no one can really claim "I'm right" in this one. You're all being guided by your own political partisanships
 
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