Another angle on the London bombings

[clarky003]

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Lets face it, we are so used to our life styles that we obsorb the mainstream medias broadcasts like a sponge to water, we just cant help follow the opinion's and information that those nice people on TV give us, theres no independance to the situation we leave it upto government funded organisations to clean it up for us, while we make our toast and goto work in the mornings, settled in most minds that the world people have created for us is going to last forever and what they tell people must be the truth because, well.. its on TV.

I always like to keep an open mind, im as unbiased as a person gets.In order to atain that you have to lisen to everyones comments to the best of your ability if you want a credable opinion atleast.

I believe in corruption to a certain extent, I believe that people are subjectively free, I however also believe we are slaves to the economy, and that the controlling element is corrupt and thrives on agressive policy's to obtain power of certain sectors to such an extent that for powerful buisness's to survive they put effort into supression of better technologies which could damage the present economic powers and also put effort into schemes that ensure they maintain control, criminal or otherwise. Through this sound thought and reasoning it is very possible to contemplate plots that manipulate public opinion to keep those in question in power, and theres no denying that corporations have interests in control of media outlets and vice versa, the most powerful platform of all, the perfect weapon of choice.

which is why its always worth looking at independant none profit media, just to get a balance of the train of thought.

 

[Lemonking]

you are a disgrace

 

[clarky003]

^ point and point

 

[AntiAnto]

Wow... I could believe in some way that governmental controlling exists. But that would be so wrong if this article told the truth. I can't believe in that.

I may be open-minded on different opinions and medias are far away from what I think like a good and truthfull reference, but this I can't help not believing it.

 

[seinfeldrules]

^ point and point

Just because people dont believe the most perposterous things possible doesnt mean they arent open minded. They just arent extremely guillible as you are. If you're wack enough to believe this garbage, dont be calling 99.99999999999% of the rest of the population closeminded for not believing it.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

There are things that should be looked at from many perspectives.

Then there are things that are just common sense.

Don't become a koolaid drinking tinfoil hat person, please.

 

[Razor]

Which is why i think the best news organisation is the BBC and it most probably always will be.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Just completely disclosing this article is close minded.

As Rakurai said, its not close minded, its common sense.

 

[kirovman]

which is why its always worth looking at independant none profit media, just to get a balance of the train of thought.

Agreed.

Which is why i think the best news organisation is the BBC and it most probably always will be.

Agreed. A lot of people say it's too Liberal (???), but I don't notice that at all. Everything is described as neutrally as possible, the only emotive statements used are the quotations.

The only opininated articles are the "magazine" articles and they clearly print the author's name, to show it is not the collective opinion of the BBC.

 

[Adabiviak]

You can create stories like this that involve aliens or bigfoot as the protagonist and dress it up as plausibly as that story - without some kind of facts to back it up, it's marketing for his clearly slanted editorial. Did you see the banners and ads on that page? This guy must be living in a 10 x 12 ramshackle cabin in Montana.

 

[qckbeam]

Create a background of the hired Arabs being militant Muslims. The drooling masses, as was the case with the '9/11 hijackers,' will ignore stories of neighbours saying they were the quiet, educated types who liked children and playing sports.

BBC excerpt: One local resident described him as "a nice lad".

"He liked to play football, he liked to play cricket. I'm shocked."

Another resident said he was just a "normal kid" who played basketball and kicked a ball around.

Oh, of course. That makes perfect sense. Terrorists, just like serial killers, always act like raving lunatics in public and are completely incapable of concealing their alternate identities from neighbors or loved ones.

Conspiracy theories are such bullshit.

 

[Kangy]

Utterly ridiculous to the extreme. Idiots like this really do mess things up for everyone. Complete conspiratorial BS, in my eyes.

 

[Lemonking]

indeed that is bull shit

btw Im goin to bed good nite

 

[baxter]

How the Government Staged the London Bombings in Ten Easy Steps
Hire a Crisis Management firm
Hire four Arabs

Tell four Arabs to meet up at London Underground

plant explosives in their houses in Leeds. Plant some explosives in one of their cars

Before the bombings take place, make sure you warn any of your buddies

put out a story for over an hour that the explosions are a simple electrical fault

A few hours after the bombings, have one of your boys post an 'Al-Qaeda statement' claiming responsibility

After you have made sure that all the Arabs are dead

Yeah ok do you really believe this bullshit ?

 

[SAJ]

Well it goes to show that an empty space invites projection.
The empty space in this instance is the dead bombers, for they will never be able to tell us what happened.
This in itself seems unusual for supposedly fanatical mass murderers, wouldnt they want the world to know in what name these attrocicities(sp) were being carried out.
But there are(and will always be) imperfect aspects to any shocking event.
If you want to look for them, and try to attach meaning if you can and will.

For example , it is true that a spokesman for a security company was on bbc television and radio claiming that they had been running an excercise simulating terrorist attacks at the same train stations as the real bombings ,on the same day.
If that information was strong enough to convince people that a "false flag" operation was happening , then surely the whole article would have been about that aspect alone wouldnt it?
Instead , that information becomes part of a scattergun effect, with the authors hoping that the sheer weight of "evidence" will lend credibilty to their writing.

That is not to say that governments are not capable or willing to orchestrate acts of violence against civillians whilst blaming another party, they are and have done so.
What is more common is that governments and institutions behave in an opportunistic manner , hoping to bend events to their own agenda,ironicly making a conspiracy theory analysis more likely.

 

[Korgoth]

And just because clarky has a different opinion than you guys, neither makes him a disgrace, or a conspiratorial nutjob, so get over it.

 

[SAJ]

No , even if godzilla himself were behind the bombings, Clarky would still be a nutjob!

 

[Korgoth]

well ok... you have a point... (still lub ya' clarky!!!)

 

[dream431ca]

HA. we saw this after 9-11 too. Here we go again

 

[B-MAn]

er.....no.....just no.

 

[qckbeam]

And just because clarky has a different opinion than you guys, neither makes him a disgrace, or a conspiratorial nutjob, so get over it.

Well you have to admit (and I have nothing against Clarky, I like Clarky) it is a seriously far fetched, conspiracy theorist, "BIG-FOOT SHOT JFK" sort of explanation to stand behind.

 

[Korgoth]

big foot shot jfk? God why didn't I see it? All these wasted years blaming the CIA, when it was a dirty russian sasquatch this whole bloody time

 

[qckbeam]

big foot shot jfk? God why didn't I see it? All these wasted years blaming the CIA, when it was a dirty russian sasquatch this whole bloody time

He did! I have the microfilm to prove it!!!

 

[el Chi]

QCKBEAM! Aaaaaahhh!
Not for long, I fear

In other news: I find this "infowars" "report" to be questionable, to say the least. It had crossed my mind, but in a different way to theirs (a little TOO intricate) and then I dispelled the thoughts, seeing as it wouldn't help the government's desires to push forward the ID cards scheme.
He says that we'd all ignore the testimonies of neighbours who said they seemed like nice folks. Wrong, dear boy. Shows you don't know squat about the British media coverage. That was central to many articles on TV and in print.
He fails to propose a real, sound motive (particularly one that is now operational) the government would have to do this.
Steps 1 and 2 are utter nonsense - exactly where are they intending to find these four "Arabs" who are so monumentally cretinous that they wouldn't realise the potential danger of their bags' contents? "Wow! It looks so real! It's got a detonator and everything!" Uh-huh. Also, surely they would consider that they WOULD be shot, or at least been beaten to a bloody pulp by any police who might catch them during this "exercise"?
I see this fellow also contends the events on September 11th. Rrrrriiiiiight. NOW I believe him.

This man is a complete and utter fool, with a tenusous grasp on the facts and on the reality of these events. Bravo, sir.

 

[SAJ]

Nonsensical as it may sound, step one is based on documented evidence.
There was an emergency response excercise taking place ,based on terrorist incidences at the same stations as the real bombs.
To claim that this company was hired by the government to provide cover for a "black op" , is a massive leap of conjecture though.

 

[el Chi]

To claim that this company was hired by the government to provide cover for a "black op" , is a massive leap of conjecture though.

Exactly my point. The man is clutching at straws and claiming they're bricks.
'scuse me while I coin a phrase.

 

[SAJ]

clutching at straws and claiming they're bricks

Heh , thats a keeper.
Consider it coined.

 

[Raziaar]

This claim is as entirely rediculous as the whole 9/11 being staged by the american government.

"Lets destroy two giganticly important buildings, causing the country untold millions of dollars in suffering economy, to go to war against foreign countries to steal their oil in bitter battles that will cost thousands of american lives with the completely uncertain outcome of even obtaining that oil, and turning the world against us! Its foolproof because we have bush in the white house!"

 

[Icarusintel]

conspiracies like what you're proposing don;t tend to work because there's too many people involved and too much evidence left around for them to get away with it, which makes this utterly preposterous since it would involve a large chunk of the british gov't

 

[clarky003]

im not actually proposing they did, infact I never mentioned believing in any of it, just purely insightful, afterall i dont know how much control the government truely implement's and im sure no other member of the public does either. if i did then anything i said about this would be credable, obviously its just postulative.

Amazing still how I very nearly got flamed into the 'nutjob' catagory for wanting to know what exactley is going on behind the scenes, because theres alot of stuff we dont see and hear which essentially makes it conspirital to a certain extent.

But ive always considered that it might be possible for government's to be economic pawns, having the majority of members who 'are' free masons, whos interests largely lie in shaping the future for how they see it should be shaped without consulting the public enough, or even allowing people to set up there own independant media or investigation's, running a planet on the best interests of the economy and profit isnt always in the best interests for its people and other inhabitants alike.

I mean just look at the american military industrial complex, perfect example of a buisness that is driven by suffering, and they always want wars, because it boosts the war machine and creates profit, and mega profit for a few people at the top of the chain. Yes its immoral, especially when wars arnt even justified. People dont come first in my eyes the system does, and that system is the small groups of elitest people, probably megalomaniacs with superiority complex's that would rather make mega bucks than actually put all their efforts into improving the system and peoples lives.

 

[Raziaar]

never said they did, infact I never mentioned believing in any of it, just purely insightful, afterall i dont know how much control the government truely implement's if i did then anything i said about this would be entirely accurate, obviously the its just postulative.

Amazing still how I very nearly got flamed into the 'nutjob' catagory for wanting to know what exactley is going on behind the scenes, because theres alot of stuff we dont see and hear which essentially makes it conspirital.

Alot of the people on these forums are quick to throw around the term nutjob. Glad i'm not one of them. I personally don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Kangy]

Amazing still how I very nearly got flamed into the 'nutjob' catagory for wanting to know what exactley is going on behind the scenes, because theres alot of stuff we dont see and hear which essentially makes it conspirital to a certain extent.

Surely it just makes it a matter of national security that the public shouldn't know about in order to maintain secrecy? There's no justification in making every single action and opinion public, when it comes to something like this.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Amazing still how I very nearly got flamed into the 'nutjob' catagory for wanting to know what exactley is going on behind the scenes, because theres alot of stuff we dont see and hear which essentially makes it conspirital to a certain extent.

If you believe something like this, then the term fits. Your thirst for information doesnt excuse you for losing all common sense.

 

[Fliko]

The goverment is like a chess player, and we are the chess pieces. Its probable, maybe unlikely, but still possible.

Anything possible is something that should be considered into the matter of the thought. He might of missed something, but don't just go "stoning" theories. They could be true, the goverment does hide a lot, and lies a lot. They feed you information that they think you need to know, and keep the rest locked away.