Another Soldier That Didn't Support War Dies

[No Limit]

no im saying he knew what he was getting into, he knew that a war could break out at any time, and he knew that enlisting in the national gaurd ment that he could possibly face war, and die. He did just that. I have enlisted into the marine corps, and i know taht i coudl go fight a war, one that i dont believe is just, but you take an oath to your country, and i will lay my life for it, and i would gladly lay my life for you, or any other liberal, i may not agree with point of view, but its freedom i would lay my life down for, and ill protect your freedom of speech, even if it means that i have to die doing it.

So:

What you are saying is if you are brave enough to serve your country the president has a right to send you to an unjust war simply because he feels like it?

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[Flyingdebris]

regardless of whether the war is just or not, the man signed up out of his own free will and if he had half a brain, he knew the risks too.

He probably thought about it for a while considering his own reasons for signing up and the possible consequences that could entail joining a branch of the military. he didn't just amble into a recruitment office thinking that he'd be doing slumber parties and bake sales.

The fact of the matter is that if you join the military you understand that you will most likely fight and when people fight some people die, thats just how it works.

 

[French Ninja]

Sigh.

You do that quote injustice.

Your not dying for our rights your dying for oil, and imperialism.
Is that worth fighting for? Is it worth dying for?

Where is this imperialism you keep talking about?
Invading two troubled countries with plans to reduce numbers in the coming years doesn't sound like an empire to me. :|

 

[Kebean PFC]

the president has a right to send you

Yup. Sorry, but those are our laws.

Do you not agree that is Bush didn't start this war he would still be alive?

I happen to believe that when it is your time to die, it is your time. Nothing can change that and it does not apply to just the war, i actually believe it. According to a qoute like this is could argue that the Army saved his life becuase had he had not gone to basic, he would have gotten hit by a car.

so many people in other countries don't understand the way voting "works" here...

but then again at least half of America doesn't get it either!

QFT

 

[Absinthe]

So many people are quick to jump in and defend legality while completely ignoring any sort of moral and ethical implications.

Yes, you fight where your country sends you. That doesn't make a war any more justified or acceptable and it certainly doesn't negate the waste of troop lives by default. If you can't make that distinction, then I truly pity you. I could understand your comments if this was a justified and worthwhile war. But to respond to unwilling troops in this context with "WELL DURR YOU KNOW YOU SIGNED THIS AND THAT" makes you a shallow human being. I don't think any soldier was banking on this sham of a conflict to take place.

 

[Kebean PFC]

That doesn't make a war any more justified or acceptable and it certainly doesn't negate the waste of troop lives by default.

Now where did i say that?

 

[Absinthe]

Now where did i say that?

Was I speaking to you directly?

All I'm saying is that pointing out the legality of something is pointless if you can't also back it up with practical, ethical, and moral substantiation. To dismiss these deaths as "Well, they signed the dotted line" is being nothing more than callous.

 

[No Limit]

I happen to believe that when it is your time to die, it is your time. Nothing can change that and it does not apply to just the war, i actually believe it. According to a qoute like this is could argue that the Army saved his life becuase had he had not gone to basic, he would have gotten hit by a car.

I happen to believe that you smoke waaaaaay too much pot.

 

[Pesmerga]

Yes, he didn't support the war.

This must mean the entire war is corrupt, and only serves as a means to conduct ritualistic offerings to Satan himself.

 

[Steve]

Did you read the article? He joined to help his brothers and sisters. He was a hero. But that doesn't change the fact he didn't have to die, he died because of Bush's policies.

Do you not agree that is Bush didn't start this war he would still be alive?

I agree completely. But whether or not it's because a president makes a bad decision, A SOLDIER HAS TO BE PREPARED TO GO TO WAR. Going to war means a possibility of dying. Doesn't matter WHY he joined.

 

[TheSomeone]

He knew what he was getting into when he joined the army. If he didn't want to get killed in war, he shouldn't have.

You ever thought about him enlisting to defend his country, before the war was declared? He wanted to die for a just cause, not as Georgie's puppet.

Please, you insensitive retards, stop yelling "HE ENLISTED HE SHULD EXPECT TO DIE." The fact that he enlisted or not doesn't change the fact he died for no good reason.

 

[Steve]

Wow. Calling me an insensitive retard gives you such an air of authority. Look, dude. I'm not saying he should expect to die. But soldiers die in war. The war is bullshit, but these soldiers joined the armed forces understanding that they would have to follow the orders of any commander-in-chief they were under, whether they agreed with it or not. Whether it was bullshit or not.

 

[No Limit]

I agree completely. But whether or not it's because a president makes a bad decision, A SOLDIER HAS TO BE PREPARED TO GO TO WAR. Going to war means a possibility of dying. Doesn't matter WHY he joined.

I understand that completely. He knew of the risks which make him a hero. The point here is not that he didn't want to die, the point is him and about 2,000 other soliders and tens of thousands more of civillians didn't need to die. All of those deaths could have been avoided. What bugs the shit out of me is when people say oh well, he signed up so screw it. They are pretty much admitting the war is corrupt but it doesn't really matter, the guy signed up. I know what you are saying and I agree, but I think it is missing the point.

 

[Tr0n]

Why would anyone basically go to war for any country I do not understand.

It's an endless cycle I guess. Yet only few people like me see it.

 

[Steve]

I understand that completely. He knew of the risks which make him a hero. The point here is not that he didn't want to die, the point is him and about 2,000 other soliders and tens of thousands more of civillians didn't need to die. All of those deaths could have been avoided. What bugs the shit out of me is when people say oh well, he signed up so screw it. They are pretty much admitting the war is corrupt but it doesn't really matter, the guy signed up. I know what you are saying and I agree, but I think it is missing the point.

I suppose, yeah.

 

[Pesmerga]

Why would anyone basically go to war for any country I do not understand.

It's an endless cycle I guess. Yet only few people like me see it.

Maybe to stop the other bastards from ravaging his wife, beating his children, and burning his home?

 

[Steve]

Right. A man has the right to ravage his OWN wife, beat his OWN kids, and burn down his OWN house.

That was in poor taste. I apologize.

 

[Tr0n]

Maybe to stop the other bastards from ravaging his wife, beating his children, and burning his home?

You mean the same shit that happens through out the centuries? Also I was refering to goverments themselves. Oh and what steve said also...that same shit goes on within the country.

You should go study up on your history a bit and you will get what I mean.

 

[Pesmerga]

So, everyone in... everywhere rapes their wives, is a horrible father, and torches his neighborhood.

I like where this is going. It's going to be easy.