Apple #1 influential brand, readers vote, Al Jazeera is #5

[CptStern]

readers pick top influential worldwide brands

I agree Apple has the much coveted "hip" factor

surprisingly europeans view Al Jazeera (overall globally it's at #5) as influential whereas americans didnt even have it in it's top 10

so what do you all think of the results?

 

[Tr0n]

That apple is starting to kick ass.

OOOOOO I can't wait till IBM allows apple to incorperate Cell processors in the next mac!

G6 anybody?

 

[No Limit]

I don't know about Al Jazeera, to me they have been a little too kind to terrorists. However, to be honest I don't know much about it since I only see what the American media likes to show me. Just looking at the top story it doesn't seem to be the propaganda machine the republicans claim it is:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/CDE6C27E-962B-48F1-B0E3-D29812909472.htm

Everything in that story is on point with what the AP has reported including saying the the Sunnis will respect the voters.

 

[KoreBolteR]

OMFG what the hell, AL Jazeera?

i feckin hate that channel, greaseball terrorist recruiters/ convertors.

but now i think of it, all europe is against the war in iraq, and so would obviously support the terrorists more than the western coalition, so they watch the news all the terrorists watch, and knowing that Al Jazeera publishes everything down to the bone bad about the coalition, and praise the terrorists.. not criticizing thier innocent killing, kid bombing antics.

it makes me crunch my teeth when people are fooled by this biast, terrorist loving bullshit channel ...

heh

 

[Tr0n]

OMFG what the hell, AL Jazeera?

i feckin hate that channel, greaseball terrorist recruiters/ convertors.

but now i think of it, all europe is against the war in iraq, and so would obviously support the terrorists more than the western coalition, so they watch the news all the terrorists watch, and knowing that Al Jazeera publishes everything down to the bone bad about the coalition, and praise the terrorists.. not criticizing thier innocent killing, kid bombing antics.

it makes me crunch my teeth when people are fooled by this biast, terrorist loving bullshit channel ...

heh

Fox news and CNN are just as bias...

Oh wait...all media now'n days are biased.

 

[CptStern]

OMFG what the hell, AL Jazeera?

i feckin hate that channel, greaseball terrorist recruiters/ convertors.

but now i think of it, all europe is against the war in iraq, and so would obviously support the terrorists more than the western coalition, so they watch the news all the terrorists watch, and knowing that Al Jazeera publishes everything down to the bone bad about the coalition, and praise the terrorists.. not criticizing thier innocent killing, kid bombing antics.

it makes me crunch my teeth when people are fooled by this biast, terrorist loving bullshit channel ...

heh

so you've done an in-depth study of al jazeera comparing it to western media in terms of journalistic integrity? I expect a report on my desk by quitting time

 

[No Limit]

OMFG what the hell, AL Jazeera?

i feckin hate that channel, greaseball terrorist recruiters/ convertors.

but now i think of it, all europe is against the war in iraq, and so would obviously support the terrorists more than the western coalition, so they watch the news all the terrorists watch, and knowing that Al Jazeera publishes everything down to the bone bad about the coalition, and praise the terrorists.. not criticizing thier innocent killing, kid bombing antics.

it makes me crunch my teeth when people are fooled by this biast, terrorist loving bullshit channel ...

heh

Go scout through their entire english web site and find me one example of them trying to convert people in to terrorists. Remember I am nuteral on this as I don't know but I haven't been able to find anything. I, unlike you, like to base my opinion off facts. Once I see the facts that say they do this I will admit to it; until that happens I will see them as simply a liberal media outlet.

 

[KoreBolteR]

Fox news and CNN are just as bias...

Oh wait...all media now'n days are biased.

excatly, people here get too influenced by media, not just from TV, but from websites aswell. when people from "evidence" from websites it doesnt really show proof to me, because i havnt seen the video or pictures eg real proof.

I, unlike you, like to base my opinion off facts.

your so-called facts could have been altered from the real truth, when i say altered, it could go as bad as false allegations, just to give the people what they WANT to believe.

no limit, id say that im neutral on this site, i wanted kerry to win elections, but i like to support the troops over there who are trying to save the iraqi people from this menace of terrorist groups who plaque thier country.

 

[No Limit]

your so-called facts could have been altered from the real truth, when i say altered, it could go as bad as false allegations, just to give the people what they WANT to believe

I respect you trying to debate but honestly, I don't think you know the difference between fact and fiction. You claimed that they support terrorists; yet you can't find me a single example. If what you said were true there would be thousands of examples all over the place as everyone in the world has the ability to watch them.

 

[The Mullinator]

Fox news and CNN are just as bias...

Oh wait...all media now'n days are biased.

Media has always been heavily biased. The difference now is that people realize it. Now you have a choice of deciding which media to actually listen too, which media seems to be in the greatest support of your own bias is what you end up defending and listening too.

 

[No Limit]

Media has always been heavily biased. The difference now is that people realize it. Now you have a choice of deciding which media to actually listen too, which media seems to be in the greatest support of your own bias is what you end up defending and listening too.

Exactly right; that is why I can't stand people that only watch Faux or CNN for information instead of looking at different sources.

 

[el Chi]

i feckin hate that channel, greaseball terrorist recruiters/ convertors.

Kore... As you have repeatedly stated thia bout al-Jazeera, it shows that you haven't got the slightest comprehension about how it works. Do you really think that, in between features, they have adverts for al-Qaeda? Do you think that they use subliminal suggestion techniques like every 100th fram being a sign saying: "The West is Evil. Join al-Qaeda"

The fact is that they aren't so different from some Western news networks, just more notorious.
They come from a certain bias - partly due to their viewership and partly due to the genuine political views of its ownership. So does Fox, to name one example of a clearly biased, privately-owned news network. It may not seem as extreme as al-Jazeera, but then perhaps if we were on the other side, we might see things differently.

They showed videos of Osama bin Laden. Or rather he sent videos to them. It's obvious why he did that - not because they recruit terrorists, but because it's more likely to reach a larger Islamic audience, plus as a show of solidarity.
If he had sent the same videos to Fox, the Beeb, ITV, Sky WHOEVER, they would have seized the chance to run the story. Think about it - exclusive comments from America's most wanted! Think of the ratings! Which is what they'd be doing.


And not ALL media's biased - I still have a certain amount of faith in Auntie Beeb. Well, more than most.

 

[Bodacious]

Al-Jazeera enables terrorists to get their message across by unquestionably and repeatedly airing terrorist videos of people being beheaded and other videos supporting terrorism. This is an indisputable fact.

Now if you want to say western media isn't any better by airing footage of our military fighting the terrorists all the time then so be it.

Perception is reality.

 

[Venmoch]

Thats because it isn' a propaganda machine. Al Jazeera was founded by a few ex-members of the BBC but they kept the BBC's ideals of non-biased news coverage.

 

[KoreBolteR]

el chi of course i dont.
but al jazeera give off hatred towards the west, causing hatred for the west isnt asking the people to join them directly, but leaving the viewers feel anger at the west, so making them ponder thier future with terrorist groups, possibly for the money..

yeah and when they show beheading and killing and UBL tapes (or any other terrorist for that matter, they are approving of what the terrorists have to say, and broadcasting his pleas to the viewing public (to try and CONVERT them).

everything done by al jazeera is planned to estimate how the viewers will react to the "news" they give out.
knowing that a majority of people will believe anything they say.

like i said, i dont watch FOX or CNN, i Read BBC.

Thats because it isn' a propaganda machine. Al Jazeera was founded by a few ex-members of the BBC but they kept the BBC's ideals of non-biased news coverage.

u gotta be joking, where you hear that from?

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Go scout through their entire english web site and find me one example of them trying to convert people in to terrorists.

Wait a moment, you said it yourself No Limit:

I don't know about Al Jazeera, to me they have been a little too kind to terrorists.

 

[No Limit]

Al-Jazeera enables terrorists to get their message across by unquestionably and repeatedly airing terrorist videos of people being beheaded and other videos supporting terrorism. This is an indisputable fact.

Now if you want to say western media isn't any better by airing footage of our military fighting the terrorists all the time then so be it.

Perception is reality.

So you are saying nobody should know about these killings? And you are saying that if American media got a video from Osama they wouldn't air it?

 

[No Limit]

Wait a moment, you said it yourself No Limit:

yeah, then read the rest of that message. My perception of them being a little too kind to terrorists is based off what our media says about there. As I pointed out, I have not seen any evidance of this.

 

[Venmoch]

Right

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2893689.stm There.

Oooo look BBC

More importantly

Al-Jazeera was launched after the closure of the BBC World Service's Arabic language TV newsroom in 1996.

Many of al-Jazeera's editors, journalists, presenters and technical staff cut their teeth as TV journalists with the BBC in London.

 

[Kangy]

Hey, Kore, find me 2 reports on Al Jazeera right now that give off hatred of the West, and help to recruit soldiers.

Go on, I dare you

 

[KoreBolteR]

even tho i hate the media and different websites being biast to the terrorist, or being biast to bush...

This website makes sense to me, but still you all know how much i think the media controls the world.

 

[Bodacious]

So you are saying nobody should know about these killings? And you are saying that if American media got a video from Osama they wouldn't air it?

Why do you constantly put words into my mouth. No American news organization I knew of played the video of beheadings or anything like that, let alone repeated the images hundreds of times over and over. We have played Osama tapes, that is an absurd question. But unlike Al-Jazeera, we don't play them repeatedly.

 

[CptStern]

Thats because it isn' a propaganda machine. Al Jazeera was founded by a few ex-members of the BBC but they kept the BBC's ideals of non-biased news coverage.

well the US military must see it as a propaganda machine cuz they attempted to silence it and we all know how they like to silence dissent

 

[No Limit]

Why do you constantly put words into my mouth. No American news organization I knew of played the video of beheadings or anything like that, let alone repeated the images hundreds of times over and over. We have played Osama tapes, that is an absurd question. But unlike Al-Jazeera, we don't play them repeatedly.

I am not putting words in your mouth, that is exactly what you said.

No, they didn't play those beheadings because that would be too graphic for the American people. They did play the images right before the beheading a thousand times, I don't really see a difference. However, we also didn't have a problem showing naked bodies stacked on each other in the Abu Ghraib photos.

 

[Bodacious]

I am not putting words in your mouth, that is exactly what you said.

No, they didn't play those beheadings because that would be too graphic for the American people. They did play the images right before the beheading a thousand times, I don't really see a difference. However, we also didn't have a problem showing naked bodies stacked on each other in the Abu Ghraib photos.

Quote anything I said that says people shouldn't know about those killings. THAT is putting words into my mouth, because I never said it, did I?

Where do you think we got the beheading videos? From the internet, but I guarantee Al-jazeer had a copy and played it many more times than on American TV. A lot of the Terrorist videos show up at Al-jazeera first and our news organizations get the vids from them

 

[No Limit]

Where do you think we got the beheading videos? From the internet, but I guarantee Al-jazeer had a copy and played it many more times than on American TV. A lot of the Terrorist videos show up at Al-jazeera first and our news organizations get the vids from them

Well duh! The terrorists send the videos to Al Jazeera and then our media gets it from them. How is this different than photos of prison abuse being leaked in the American media and the American media showing it a million times?

Quote anything I said that says people shouldn't know about those killings. THAT is putting words into my mouth, because I never said it, did I?

For christ sake, here we go, trying to avoid the topic:

Al-Jazeera enables terrorists to get their message across by unquestionably and repeatedly airing terrorist videos of people being beheaded and other videos supporting terrorism.

So you don't want them to air these videos? Meaning you don't want people to see the horror that goes on in Iraq everyday. Stop with this bullshit 'putting words in my mouth' crap, it will never work and makes you and your republican friends look bad. You don't have to say something exactly to imply it.

 

[Venmoch]

well the US military must see it as a propaganda machine cuz they attempted to silence it and we all know how they like to silence dissent

Yeah

If true, it opens up a worrying development for news organisations covering wars and conflicts: now they could be targeted simply for reporting a side of the story that one party wants suppressed.

Oh dear, there goes unbiased news coverage.....

 

[No Limit]

Just an example of your idiotic view. I say "Bush shouldn't have went in to Iraq" you say "So you think the war in Iraq is wrong" and I reply with "No dick, stop putting words in my mouth; I never said that and I challange you to find a quote showing I did".

 

[KoreBolteR]

think of it tho, The whole coalition is getting attacked and blamed for those few stupid ones who were involved in the abu ghraib incident ...

isnt al jazeera based in Qatar, if the military was out to get them, they would have bombed the Qatar al jazeera buildings by now..

 

[burner69]

Al J has been praised for it's media coverage by quite a few people. It's the Muslim world first 'free voice' within the media.

As for people claiming it's used to convert people to terrorism, stop believing the crap you get fed by certain sources. They no more convert people to terrorism as western media converts people to committ grand theft auto by airing World's Scariest Police Chases.

And for those who're sidestepping, stop saying Al J is anti west, and come up with some proof. I want to see articles or videos unfairly critiscing the West, and if you think you'll find any "NOW YOU MUST TAKE ARMS AGAINST THE INFIDEL" on there, I know for a fact, you won't.


EDIT: Kore, the whole coalition was being attacked anyway

 

[Bodacious]

Well duh! The terrorists send the videos to Al Jazeera and then our media gets it from them. How is this different than photos of prison abuse being leaked in the American media and the American media showing it a million times?

Because Al-Jazeera unquestionably airs everything the terrorist have to say. Where as in America there has to be some investigative journalism before being put on the air or else you get Rathergate and newspapers printing hardcore porn and calling it prisoner abose.

For christ sake, here we go, trying to avoid the topic:


So you don't want them to air these videos? Meaning you don't want people to see the horror that goes on in Iraq everyday.

Of course I don't thik Al-Jazeera should air the vidoes as much as they do. That does not mean I don't want people to know what is going. They can tell of the horror in Iraq without all the replaying of the videos and letting the terrorists get their message to the masses.

Stop with this bullshit 'putting words in my mouth' crap, it will never work and makes you and your republican friends look bad. You don't have to say something exactly to imply it.

You tried to say I didn't want people to know what was going on and then you flip flop and correctly say what I implied by asking if I don't want the videos aired. Trying to say I didn't want people to know what was going on IS putting words into my mouth because I didn't say that.

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[No Limit]

think of it tho, The whole coalition is getting attacked and blamed for those few stupid ones who were involved in the abu ghraib incident ...

That has nothing to do with it. We are talking about how media covers this; not what actually happens and what is the cause/effect of it.

isnt al jazeera based in Qatar, if the military was out to get them, they would have bombed the Qatar al jazeera buildings by now..

Why do you think they wouldn't do that?

Also, Kabul is in Afghanistan so the US military can blame it on a mistake.

 

[Absinthe]

isnt al jazeera based in Qatar, if the milirary was out to get them, they would have bombed the Qatar al jazeera buildings by now..

Oh no, I'm quite sure the US would like it if they disappeared off the face of the Earth. But then they'd only be shooting themselves in the feet. Doing away with Al Jazeera would piss off the people even more, and the Coalition would be in deeper shit.

 

[No Limit]

Because Al-Jazeera unquestionably airs everything the terrorist have to say. Where as in America there has to be some investigative journalism before being put on the air or else you get Rathergate and newspapers printing hardcore porn and calling it prisoner abose.

Pleaaaaase....Again, you know damn well if Osama sent a video to CNN or any other western network they would air it. Don't give me this bullshit.

Of course I don't thik Al-Jazeera should air the vidoes as much as they do. That does not mean I don't want people to know what is going. They can tell of the horror in Iraq without all the replaying of the videos and letting the terrorists get their message to the masses.

A picture speaks 1000 words.

You tried to say I didn't want people to know what was going on and then you flip flop and correctly say what I implied by asking if I don't want the videos aired. Trying to say I didn't want people to know what was going on IS putting words into my mouth because I didn't say that.

Did you miss the day in kindergarten when they explained what implying something is?

 

[KoreBolteR]

That has nothing to do with it. We are talking about how media covers this; not what actually happens and what is the cause/effect of it..

definately, the media went mad, and when the media are angry and publish thier angry thoughts.. the people get mad too, especially the iraqi people..

i can also see why al qaeda terrorists are feeling sorry for the tsunami disaster victims.. because they want to recruit them, make the people of indonesia and the world think "aww al qaeda do care", when they dont.

oops i changed the topic, ignore that lol

 

[Bodacious]

Did you miss the day in kindergarten when they explained what implying something is?

I am sorry you mis interpreted what I said, but what you took it to mean is incorrect. Have you never heard about why it is poor judgement to make assumptions?

 

[Mechagodzilla]

Why do people see malice when Al-Jazeera shows these videos?

The alternative is that we won't know when people are kidnapped, or what groups are declaring their alegiances to bin Laden. Without these demands being broadcast, the terrorists have no reason to keep hostages alive, and they will no longer be alerting us as to their actions.
All this network is showing is the truth. It might be graphic, but so what?

When CNN does yet another story about Michael Jackson, do we say that they are in league with the child molesters? Or is security camera footage from a robbery evidence of a pro-crime bias?

 

[No Limit]

I am sorry you mis interpreted what I said, but what you took it to mean is incorrect. Have you never heard about why it is poor judgement to make assumptions?

Ok, dude, HELLO!!! I already explained to you why my assumption is correct; instead of addressing that you quote posts of mine that don't explain it since I already explained it once.

So which is it, should they air these videos or shouldn't they?

 

[^Ben]

I remember watching this great documentry on Al Jazeera it was either on the BBC or channel 4 I can't remember.

The main person they followed was some reporter/producer guy and he had dinner with the American army representitive. Was a very good documentary is suggest you all watch it.

They had this guy from the US who phoned up and basically was some anti war nonsense and the guy who let him on the air got a right bollocking and was told never to bring on such biased sources again, was very refreshing to see.

So those people who are always yabbering on " Oh they support terrorists and spread hate for the west" Find me evidence.

 

[CptStern]

Did you miss the day in kindergarten when they explained what implying something is?

heh! I must have gone to a severly underfunded school, we didnt learn that word till at least grade 1 (in between nappy time)