Are you guys posotive that valve aren't just BS'ing us about the MP?>

[Mr.Magnetichead]

I wouldn't be so sure. Doom 3, after all, only has 4 player generic multiplayer. Now i'd prefer HL2 generic multiplayer with up to 32 people.

WRONG!

I was at quake con when they showed us D3 DM and there were servers with 8 or more people running about.

 

[Sparta]

John Carmack has stated that the game wil lonly have 4 player multiplayer

 

[Mr.Magnetichead]

DoD isn't terrible... it's very fun if you WANT to play a WW2 shooter.

If I want to play a WW2 shooter I'll play either CoD, BF1942 or ET.

I will NOT play DoD.

 

[Mr.Magnetichead]

John Carmack has stated that the game wil lonly have 4 player multiplayer

No he didn't.

It's yet another case of people being misquoted.

 

[Sparta]

No he didn't.

It's yet another case of people being misquoted.

Right off the PlanetDoom website

As far as multiplayer is concerned, DOOM 3 will not have epic team play modes, but there will be some multiplayer in it. The game will feature modes like last man standing and deathmatch. Gameplay will be limited to 4 players per game, with synchronous startup (like the old DOOM). Players will have to learn new tactics, since anyone can shoot out the lights and cover the level in darkness. Sounds, shadows, and stealth will dominate the game.

No he may have not said that but thats proof enough for me, but still i'll look around on the forums to see if i'm wrong, which i might be.

 

[Mr.Magnetichead]

I've seen and played WITH MY OWN HANDS AND EYES Doom 3 MP with more than 4 players.

 

[iamaelephant]

I think ID have done enough to prove just how good they are at making fun multiplayer games, so I have no lack of faith in them. ID have a proven track record, unlike Valve who have released 1 great game.

Believe me, HL2 will not succeed against Doom 3 if it doesnt deliver some excellent, original multiplayer.

 

[Aphal]

If I want to play a WW2 shooter I'll play either CoD, BF1942 or ET.

I will NOT play DoD.

Okay good for you, that doesn't change that DoD is a good game and lots of people have fun playing it. DoD, CoD, and BF1942 are all different styles and some people like DoD's more.

 

[Crusader]

Carmack actually said not to expect anything too great from Doom 3's multiplayer. They're focussing on making a good single-player experience.

 

[Sparta]

I think ID have done enough to prove just how good they are at making fun multiplayer games, so I have no lack of faith in them. ID have a proven track record, unlike Valve who have released 1 great game.

Believe me, HL2 will not succeed against Doom 3 if it doesnt deliver some excellent, original multiplayer.

I think HL2 will definately succeed against Doom 3 in the single-player arena though, for sure. I'm not saying Doom 3 is gonna be crap but i'm just not sure as to whether it looks like it will bring anything new to the gameplay table. Scary games have been done before, with Undying and the Silent Hill series. If Doom 3 is better in single-player then Half-Life 2 i'll be surprised and really really happy. Mainly because HL2 already looks awesome in my eyes and if Doom 3 can surpass, then i've got both Doom 3 AND HL2 to play .

And ID have a great track record at great engines but i'm yet to see them make a game that is great and story-driven and atmospheric.

 

[Icewind]

*considers name-change to www.doom3.net -.-* what does it matter how good and big doom3 mp will be this is a HL2 forum lol

 

[Agent.M]

Heathen. DoD at least is totally awesome.

I agree...DoD is a great game.

 

[Crusader]

DoD is indeed awesome, bit of a steep learning curve which makes some of the slower people hate it, but it's awesome

 

[Mr.Magnetichead]

*considers name-change to www.doom3.net -.-* what does it matter how good and big doom3 mp will be this is a HL2 forum lol

Be quiet.

Mommy and Daddy are talking.

 

[Apos]

Believe me, HL2 will not succeed against Doom 3 if it doesnt deliver some excellent, original multiplayer.

Though I hate to admit it, because I am not a huge fan, you really are fooling yourself. Two words are all that is needed to prove that HL2 will succeed in the face of whatever Doom3 offers in the way of MP. Counter Strike.

At the moment, HLMP is being played online by 58,463 people, 48,639 of whom are playing Counter-Strike. Next closest game? Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, a Quake3 engine game (looks graphically WAY better than HL1 games, btw). How many people are playing it? 3,816. That's the number 1 game with about 15 times more people than the number 2 game.

Call of Duty is a pretty good WW2 MP game. It has 2708 players. But DoD has 3239.

Again, you're fooling yourself if you think all those CS kiddies are going to suddenly switch over to Doom3's vanilla MP, or even any mod you could make for Doom3 within a year: EVEN IF D3 comes out today and CS:S doesn't come out for months, they still won't switch over. And they will switch over for CS:S.

Face it, Valve has got this in the bag unless they make CS:S basically unplayable or something ridiculous.

 

[Varsity]

I'm not saying Doom 3 is gonna be crap but i'm just not sure as to whether it looks like it will bring anything new to the gameplay table.

That doesn't mean it can't be good. Different people look for very different things, although it's safe to say the majority of PC gamers want some form of sophistication. I would be suprised if the X-Box verion sold less than the PC version.

 

[Mr.Magnetichead]

And they will switch over for CS:S.

Face it, Valve has got this in the bag unless they make CS:S basically unplayable or something ridiculous.

What like those CS kiddies NOT being able to actually run source engine on their shitty rigs?

 

[Sparta]

I have a feeling Source will run better on their rigs then Doom 3 will

 

[Aphal]

Tons of CS kiddies buy overkill-for-CS computers just so they can get their precious 99.9 fps leeting hax

Given HL2's relatively low requirements I doubt a lot will have trouble...

 

[sk1llfatal]

there wont be a dm directly from valve, maybe from a mod team.

 

[Apos]

there wont be a dm directly from valve, maybe from a mod team.

Oh, you again. Back for more?

 

[iamaelephant]

What makes you think all the "CS kiddies" are in such a hurry to rush out and pay good money for a game they have been playing for free for years, just because it has fancy graphics?

I'm not saying that the "CS kiddies" are going to convert to Doom 3, I'm saying that if Valve dont deliver on what they promised then they dont have a hope in hell of really competing with Doom 3.

 

[Crusader]

Lay off the crack

 

[Apos]

What makes you think all the "CS kiddies" are in such a hurry to rush out and pay good money for a game they have been playing for free for years, just because it has fancy graphics?

Because they've been bitching about getting something like CS:S for years (some next gen graphics), and CS:CZ by and large wasn't enough to justify the repurchase. CS:S is. They're already going mad over it. Trust me: it'll sell like hotcakes. Especially if, as I suspect, it'll be way cheaper than CS:CZ or a traditional game.

I'm not saying that the "CS kiddies" are going to convert to Doom 3, I'm saying that if Valve dont deliver on what they promised then they dont have a hope in hell of really competing with Doom 3.

And I'm saying that even if CS:S is the ONLY MP option Valve ever releases, they'll quite comfortably trounce Doom3 in the MP stat arena without even trying. The CS kiddies WOULD have to by and large convert to Doom3 for it to have much of an impact at all. Q3 was id's last new hotness, and at it's peak it was never a match for CS, and CS is currently roughly 30 times more popular than it in terms of players. What makes you think a bare bones D3 MP which id even says they aren't putting much effort into will even approach the CS juggernaut?

I'm not even saying this happily: I really have never been able to get into CS. But I recognize the huge impact it has on Valve's sales.

 

[Parasite]

I think they will have something at least halfway cool for MP. They must realize the importance of having a full FPS - SP and MP. I just don't care for the way they've handled the info about it. I guess that applies to everything about HL2 anyway though.

Like Ive always said, they shouldve handed customer relations off too Vivendi so people can listen to automated responses or be ignored. They couldve saved alot of hassle, and everyone would still act like whiney little pussies.

 

[Diablo2k]

Perhaps they planned it like this to give modders the chance to create something great? Now i know the beta has a very limited dm mode, but i have a feeling that has been scrapped.

They got the source ports, Team Fortress 2, then CS2 and Dod2 way down the track. I think that's enough multiplayer!

But do you really think those CS players are gonna try out new mods?

Most CS players I know don't wanna try out another game..

My point is, if only those mods will be HL 2 mp the chance is big that CS:S will be the most played, and by that you are killing your mod community, cause CS:S will always be the most played game.

 

[mrchimp]

I don't give a shit about CS:S I want something new thats in the HL2 universe and comes with the game.

 

[ComradeBadger]

So, I'm sure you were playing Doom back in the day, thinking 'Hmmm this experience is strongly lacking in narrative drive'

Doom and Quake had atmosphere in spades. Half Life changed peoples expectations of things. It's an anacronism to judge games of the past based on our current expectations, just like you can't judge absolutist monarchs in the years before democracy was even thought of.

id do have a proven track record, and Valve are relative unknowns compared to them. However. I find it incredibly doubtful that magazines would report that HL2 has it's own multiplayer.. when in fact it doesn't. Valve would not get away with not having regular HL2 MP, not after what they have said. It's just not going to happen.

 

[Apos]

I don't give a shit about CS:S I want something new thats in the HL2 universe and comes with the game.

I concurr. I was just pointing out that this doesn't have to happen. CS:S will probably own all regardless of anything else.

 

[Apos]

id do have a proven track record,

Of making mediocre SP games and getting owned by CS since the Q3 days.

But I do think that Doom3 will be a really great SP game such as they haven't made since the original Dooms. Everything they've said about it point to them having learned form their past mistakes and learned from games like HL and DeusEx that scripted scenes and EVENTS are important to SP play, as well as a compelling story instead of just endless rooms of baddies.

 

[Seppo]

But everyone prepare yourself if there's no other MP then the ported mods and original HL. We will get a great single player, and what ever is the multiplayer is only extra.

 

[Apos]

If that happens, I bet you anything that there will be a powerful sultan on his throne somewhere who will announce to his followers: "Bring me the head of the one they call Newell."

 

[Mr.Magnetichead]

Of making mediocre SP games and getting owned by CS since the Q3 days.

And inventing the genre, having the best netcode avilable, always having bleeding edge engines, having some of the best if not THE best coding in the entire industry, spawning HUNDREDS of titles using their tech including HL1, creating online FPSers, creating some of the greatest MP experiences ever....

Hmm do I need to go on?

 

[Apos]

Hmm do I need to go on?

Nope, since it's all irrelevant to the fact that CS kicks everyone's ass up and down the street 30 times over, regardless.

It ain't about what's good. I wish it was. It's jus' about the way things are.

And let's face it, as fun as the original Q MP was, and as good as the engines have been, id doesn't have the greatest track record on making really good GAMES, which are what I generally am willing to shell out money for, not some ephemeral concept of "good coding" that doesn't actually affect me directly. Q3 was a waste of money. It took things like Call of Duty to make that engine into a real game: and that came out long after the curve had already been matched.

 

[Crusader]

Yeah, I mean, inventing the genre and then losing the top spot, that has to be pretty bad :/

Doom 1 (maybe 2) was the best game they ever made, it's been downhill from there.

I still play Doom now ^^

 

[Mr.Magnetichead]

Nope, since it's all irrelevant to the fact that CS kicks everyone's ass up and down the street 30 times over, regardless.

It ain't about what's good. I wish it was. It's jus' about the way things are.

And let's face it, as fun as the original Q MP was, and as good as the engines have been, id doesn't have the greatest track record on making really good GAMES, which are what I generally am willing to shell out money for, not some ephemeral concept of "good coding" that doesn't actually affect me directly.

Agggh right so that's why Quake 3 has more servers and players than UT2004?

The only reason that CS has that many people is the same reason why AOL has so many users.



It's free.

It runs on low spec machines.

They don't know anything different.

They are unwilling to experiment.

They're idiots.

 

[Apos]

They're idiots.

I'm not disagreeing with you on these things. I'm just saying: face reality. It may suck. It may be that way because people are idiots. But brother, it's just the way it IS.

Agggh right so that's why Quake 3 has more servers and players than UT2004?

You could make the same arguement here to explain this gap that you just made about CS. Be careful what you wish for....

And yeah, UT2004 is 10x a better game than Q3A is. But it isn't in the bargain bin yet.

 

[Crusader]

I think people who are constantly call CS players idiots are more deserving of the name, but there, thats me.

Call me insane, but I think labelling everyone who plays the most popular game in the world with the generalisation that they are idiots, is by far more idiotic than playing said game.

Maybe it's just a fun game?

I hate how it has become "cool" and "pro" to hate counter-strike and it's players. yet another case of people going against the grain to be different. If you don't like the game, fair does, but keep your absurd generalisations to yourself, while the rest of the online community has fun playing the number one game.

 

[Varsity]

The vocal portion of the community is horrific, a glance at the official/Steam forums will tell you that, and there's little to suggest that the average player is any different.

 

[ComradeBadger]

I play Counter-Strike

Anyway, Apos, Quake II, before HL, was the finest FPS. Oh, and Quake III was vanilla DM..