Arizona Mobilizes Troops to Border

I still think it woud be easier and cheaper to make a giant C&C style firewall up on the border. But thats my answer to everything. Fire! and lots of it!
 
and so the march towards a police state goes on unabated ..god bless america ..while your at it want to build a wall on the 49th parallel? pretty please?
 
What the hell are you talking about, Stern? The United States has 22 Million illegal immigrants living inside its borders. About 3 million arrive each year. Would you let some guy walk from the street, jump your fence and crap on your lawn?
 
your economy to some extent depends on that labour force
 
CptStern said:
and so the march towards a police state goes on unabated ..god bless america ..while your at it want to build a wall on the 49th parallel? pretty please?
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There it goes :rolleyes:
 
CptStern said:
your economy to some extent depends on that labour force
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Then we need to improve our immigration system and make it easier for them to get in here LEGALLY. Just letting them come and go as they please isn't the answer.
 
building a wall and patrolling it isnt either. Come on, you waged a cold war against a country that did that for years ...how soon will keeping them out become keeping you in?
 
CptStern said:
building a wall and patrolling it isnt either. Come on, you waged a cold war against a country that did that for years ...how soon will keeping them out become keeping you in?
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Well, technically it already has. Ever tried to go to Mexico illegally? It is freaking impossible. They will throw your ass out in a second.

...of course, that's their government.

But anyway! I'm not saying that these soldiers are a good solution, but until a better immigration system can be formulated and implemented, we can't just let the problem run rampant.

(This analogy is not meant to compare Mexicans to insects.)

You just gonna let the roach run around your kitchen until the pest man comes? No, you're gonna get your shoe and kill the sumbitch.
 
many industries will be negatively impacted should you stop the flow of illegal immigration ..well, then again the labour markets are leaving stateside and headed to less costly areas to do business anyways so the only people that will be affected are low to middle class families further widening the gap between the haves and have nots.
 
Well, I hate to sound like some sort of asshole, but those industries shouldn't have become dependent on illegal labor in the first place...

And again, we need to find a way to maintain the same flow of immigrants, but make it a legal, monitored process.
 
Industries, like what, TCWG (The cleaning Woman Guild)? In all honesty, while certain niches in the job market are readily filled by illegals, it would be better, ib the long run, if those positions were filled by US citizens, that actually get minium wage, at the least. As the base income increases, so does the quality of life. By curbing illegals from pouring over the border, we also allievate county budgets that just cant handle them.

I must also note, that they are a drain on the economy when it comes to welfare, and most noticably in school funding. Stern, its 22 illegals, Whats the population of canada? 32million? Wanna nearly double your pop while still helping 22million people in need of a job and a welfare state to take care of them? We've got a surplus
 
CptStern said:
and so the march towards a police state goes on unabated ..god bless america ..while your at it want to build a wall on the 49th parallel? pretty please?
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You don't even know how much this is needed :/.
 
CptStern said:
and so the march towards a police state goes on unabated ..god bless america ..while your at it want to build a wall on the 49th parallel? pretty please?
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Excuse me if I don't want 20 MILLION un-documented tax sucking people living amongst me. I'm all for immigration, but go through the system. Not over the walls, damnit.
 
yeah i'd have to agree. Currently we have thousands of Polish workers who are flowing in since they joined the European union.
Dutch truck drivers etc are losing their jobs as Polish truck drivers cost 1/20th (note our social system ensures good minimum wages), and often they cant even drive!
European union is now making laws to avoid this "unfair" competition.
I can imagine illegal Mexican immigrants causing the same problems->>if they would enter legally they would pay tax etc, just like the rest.
Illegally ruins jobs.
We also have the same problems with illegal handymen that are ruining the jobs for proffesional painters etc.

A wall isnt such a good idea, but more border patrols arent bad.
 
I' going to say that this is awesome because it involves troops and the blocking of illegal immigrants.
 
No matter how good an imigration system is with people legally entering the country, you will always have those people who know that they will never be accepted legally so have to "jump the wall". England has the same problem, but to a much lesser extent due to the natural barrier of the North Sea and the English channel.

I would definately agree with this stance, as long as the troops are trained properly and aren't just going to shoot people willy nilly.
 
Doesnt England just like us dutchies have problems with truckloads of illegal Chinese coming in?
I think i remember on the news once that a "truckload" passed away due to the lack of air... :S
 
Ome_Vince said:
Doesnt England just like us dutchies have problems with truckloads of illegal Chinese coming in?
I think i remember on the news once that a "truckload" passed away due to the lack of air... :S
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Yeah, on the ferries and through the channel tunnel :(. And then many of them are put up by criminal gangs and forced into prostitution and slave labour :(.
 
building a wall and patrolling it isnt either.
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Yes it is. They need to register to be citizens, or they need to GTFO. To solve the obesity epidemic we need to export those illegal immigrants and replace those people who work hot and hard labour jobs with Fat American Teenagers and Adults. Problem. Fixed.
 
Razor said:
Yeah, on the ferries and through the channel tunnel :(. And then many of them are put up by criminal gangs and forced into prostitution and slave labour :(.
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yup, slavery is back. Here some Dutch farmers import polish slaves. Awesome world this is.
 
Originally Posted by Kerberos
To solve the obesity epidemic
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...huh? And I thought I'd heard every reason for opposing illegal immigration :rolleyes:

See, here's the deal. I agree on principle that if you're in the US, you should be a citizen. The thing is, some people simply do not have the means to get in here legally. Furthermore, the thing that nobody seems to understand is that America needs illegal labor. Without such cheap labor, we'd fall apart. Now, obviously, I'm completely opposed to making anyone work for such piss-poor wages. I'm just pointing out the fallacy in the argument against it.
 
15357 said:
I' going to say that this is awesome because it involves troops and the blocking of illegal immigrants.
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Another insightful comment from the Korean maniac.
Just kidding, numbers. <3

Anyway, how do can you seriously believe that illegal immigrants are living of taxes? If they're there illegally they are not registered and don't get any welfare. No, they're working alright.
 
The Monkey said:
Anyway, how do can you seriously believe that illegal immigrants are living of taxes? If they're there illegally they are not registered and don't get any welfare. No, they're working alright.
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Well, they're not living off of taxes. But their children go to public schools, and that's a drain on our taxes. That's getting benefits without putting anything in.
 
Steve said:
Well, they're not living off of taxes. But their children go to public schools, and that's a drain on our taxes. That's getting benefits without putting anything in.
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How do you think they feed their kids if they don't get any welfare? I think that counts as "putting something in"
 
The Monkey said:
How do you think they feed their kids if they don't get any welfare? I think that counts as "putting something in"
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Wait, so now feeding your kids is giving money to the IRS? Wow, I'll never have to pay taxes again!
 
Steve said:
Wait, so now feeding your kids is giving money to the IRS? Wow, I'll never have to pay taxes again!
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My point was that they (the aliens) were obviously working, and not living of welfare...
 
The Monkey said:
My point was that they (the aliens) were obviously working, and not living of welfare...
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Oh, no! I'm not saying they're not working. They're putting work and money into private enterprises, sure. But they're not paying taxes. They're not putting money into the government. But they are receiving benefits from the government in the form of public schools.
 
A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year.

Among the key finding of the report are that the state's already struggling K-12 education system spends approximately $7.7 billion a year to school the children of illegal aliens who now constitute 15 percent of the student body. Another $1.4 billion of the taxpayers' money goes toward providing health care to illegal aliens and their families, the same amount that is spent incarcerating illegal aliens criminals.
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http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm

Thats why illegal aliens are a problem. Although nothing will ever happen to the border here in California.

Its funny how the vast majority of registered Hispanics never vote until a border issue comes up and then suddenly they come out of the woodwork and once the law is denied they disappear again.
 
Razor said:
No matter how good an imigration system is with people legally entering the country, you will always have those people who know that they will never be accepted legally so have to "jump the wall". England has the same problem, but to a much lesser extent due to the natural barrier of the North Sea and the English channel.

I would definately agree with this stance, as long as the troops are trained properly and aren't just going to shoot people willy nilly.
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It's more about the army has the manpower and resources to be able to manage the border. Not that the army is needed for any firepower assistance of any kind. IE: Thank god they just shipped a massive corp of hundreds of highly skilled new workers to help with the problem.
 
The Monkey said:
Another insightful comment from the Korean maniac.
Just kidding, numbers. <3

Anyway, how do can you seriously believe that illegal immigrants are living of taxes? If they're there illegally they are not registered and don't get any welfare. No, they're working alright.
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Yes they do draw welfare. The state law is ass backwards and it's been made so they can draw from welfare programs, and the welfare agencies are barred from giving their information to INS/immigration authorities. At times the law gets iffy on if welfare agencies are even allowed to ask for citizenship status.
 
CptStern said:
and so the march towards a police state goes on unabated ..god bless america ..while your at it want to build a wall on the 49th parallel? pretty please?
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Keeping people out who don't have the proper paperwork and identification to come into the country is not a police state. Keeping people from leaving the country with proper identification and paperwork, or preventing people from coming into the country with proper identification and paperwork, is a police state.

You have everything wrong, stern.
 
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