Armed right wingers show up at Obama event

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...about a dozen people were onsite, outside the convention hall visibly carrying firearms... not secret service agents, not police officers, just regular citizens turning up to be seen carrying weapons near the president
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjTJ5x144WA

if people had shown up armed at events where bush was speaking the conservatives would brand them as terrorists and traitors, foxnews would have field day with liberal assassains. there's only one reason to bring guns to a presidential event: intimidation. so you have to question their motives

all this idiocy will lead to bad place. better nip this in the bud before you have a full scale rebellion on your hands
 
What these idiots understand is that if one of those guns go off at one of these events then the shit will hit the fan. Gun control will be taken to a point never before imagined in this country.
 
...oohh what I'd do with a firecracker at one of those events
 
found this rather interesting:

A couple arrested for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts to the president's July 4 appearance at the West Virginia Capitol filed a federal lawsuit yesterday alleging their First Amendment rights were violated.

Nicole and Jeff Rank were removed from the event in handcuffs after revealing T-shirts with President Bush's name crossed out on the front. Nicole Rank's shirt had the words "Love America, Hate Bush" on the back and Jeff Rank's had "Regime change starts at home" on the back.
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http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/news.aspx?id=14041
 
Jsut read my reply, that should have said "dont understand". Proof reading ftw.
 
I want my country back...my country that was amazing in the early 90s. US is on the way down also these people invite our country to look bad and 3rd world like
 
You guys realize that within those states its entirely legal to carry, right?

I'm not saying they're doing the right thing - but what can you do?
 
They are indeed well within the rights of the individual states. However, if they set foot in the venue that the president is speaking at they can be legally arrested because any area in which the secret service is protecting the president automatically becomes federal jurisdiction, and thus firearms are not allowed. I'm not saying these people are right to do this though, there is no reason for them to be carrying at a public event like this. Really what they are doing is trying to provoke a response. They want someone to arrest one of them so that they can scream that the liberals are "taking away their rights". Conservatives' behavior at these meetings these past few weeks has overall been downright despicable.

And if I see one more "birther" related sign I may very well vomit on one of them.
 
they probably can carry guns, not just loaded guns though, if so they're asking for it at some point.
 
Surprisingly there are actually a lot of right wing gun nuts who feel this action by the people bringing the guns is stupid, for the reasons that it brings a bad rep to guns and might lead to stricter gun control. And I happen to agree with them on that.
 
Its their right. They were peaceful and not aggressive... It was their goal that their protest get attention and they did.... I see no problem.
 
lord_raken said:
Its their right. They were peaceful and not aggressive... It was their goal that their protest get attention and they did.... I see no problem.
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Don't you admit though that it's incredibly stupid?

They can't control the people around them. They can't guarantee to be able to stop somebody from stealing their weapon and using it against the crowd or other people. It's happened before.

And also... one of the biggest issues is that it's stretching the secret service and other security detail... the secret service of which is already extremely stretched, I think more so than any other point in American history. It's making things far more complicated for the secret service to protect the president.
 
Raziaar said:
Don't you admit though that it's incredibly stupid?

They can't control the people around them. They can't guarantee to be able to stop somebody from stealing their weapon and using it against the crowd or other people. It's happened before.

And also... one of the biggest issues is that it's stretching the secret service and other security detail... the secret service of which is already extremely stretched, I think more so than any other point in American history. It's making things far more complicated for the secret service to protect the president.
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Yes I will admit that there was definite risk in bringing loaded firearms to a protest. I would have advised that the weapons not be loaded.

I read several articles and the secret service made a statement saying that protesters having weapons does not cause them to change their plans.
 
lord_raken said:
Its their right. They were peaceful and not aggressive... It was their goal that their protest get attention and they did.... I see no problem.
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There is nothing peaceful about bringing a loaded gun to any kind of public assembly, especially one that involves the president. I'm getting tired of this whole "it's my right!" shit...the whole premise of the second amendment relates to a militia. What most of the gun totting assholes like to do is cut the amendment in half and fit it to their agenda. This is how the amendment looks to retards:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
 
Krynn72 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h0C1GA7_OU


Uh, wow, who would be silly enough to carry an unloaded gun?
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That reporter was very rude. I HATE THE EXTREME MEDIA!

His position makes sense: when you carry a weapon it is for self defense. If you render that weapon useless then you might as well not carry it at all. But when carrying a weapons as protest in a highly charged political environment you could at least carry the mags in you pouches.
 
That reported was incredibly annoying, and he's not helping things at all. I thought the gun-toter seemed like a decent guy.
I still think it's a bad idea to carry weapons to these things.
 
Farrowlesparrow said:
That reported was incredibly annoying, and he's not helping things at all. I thought the gun-toter seemed like a decent guy.
I still think it's a bad idea to carry weapons to these things.
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I agree with you 100% about that reporter. he was more than annoying.... he was being a TOTAL DICK! come on show some decency and manners.
 
Tyguy said:
There is nothing peaceful about bringing a loaded gun to any kind of public assembly, especially one that involves the president. I'm getting tired of this whole "it's my right!" shit...the whole premise of the second amendment relates to a militia. What most of the gun totting assholes like to do is cut the amendment in half and fit it to their agenda. This is how the amendment looks to retards:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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Yeah... they start talking about the comma, how the comma separates it. But if you do that to each comma in the sentence none of it makes any god damn sense.

A well regulated Militia

Being necessary to the security of a free State

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms

Shall not be infringed

"lord_raken said:
That reporter was very rude. I HATE THE EXTREME MEDIA!

His position makes sense: when you carry a weapon it is for self defense. If you render that weapon useless then you might as well not carry it at all. But when carrying a weapons as protest in a highly charged political environment you could at least carry the mags in you pouches.
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Farrowlesparrow said:
That reported was incredibly annoying, and he's not helping things at all. I thought the gun-toter seemed like a decent guy.
I still think it's a bad idea to carry weapons to these things.
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lord_raken said:
I agree with you 100% about that reporter. he was more than annoying.... he was being a TOTAL DICK! come on show some decency and manners.
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It's god damn Chris Matthews. His show is called ****ing "Hardball". He's not a reporter.

This isn't Chris Matthews, and it's not about the gun issue in particular, but it is Hardball guest hosted by Lawrence O'Donnel and is a good idea of what Hardball is. It's ****ing hardball! It's not softball. :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DFeyACpGyM
 
Tyguy said:
There is nothing peaceful about bringing a loaded gun to any kind of public assembly, especially one that involves the president. I'm getting tired of this whole "it's my right!" shit...the whole premise of the second amendment relates to a militia. What most of the gun totting assholes like to do is cut the amendment in half and fit it to their agenda. This is how the amendment looks to retards:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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But is was peaceful. None of the protesters threatened any one or drew their weapons. How is that violent? They did not break any laws.
The second amendment is so that we may defend of our country from our government should it become tyrannical. That's how we earned our freedom from Great Britain. We were oppressed, we had weapons, we used them and won our freedom. (with some big help from the French)
 
lord_raken said:
But is was peaceful. None of the protesters threatened any one or drew their weapons. How is that violent? They did not break any laws.
The second amendment is so that we may defend of our country from our government should it become tyrannical. That's how we earned our freedom from Great Britain. We were oppressed, we had weapons, we used them and won our freedom. (with some big help from the French)
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Its funny how your opinion would be radically different if it was left-wing people who brought guns to a Bush or McCain event. No matter how legal it is, its still incredibly childish. Its a very stupid and provocative way to prove a point. Also its kinda holy shit crazy ****ing insane that people can wear assault rifles in public like that...but that's just me being European talking. I get nervous from just seeing cops with guns holstered. ****, even soft-airguns scare the shit out of me.
 
Ravioli said:
Its funny how your opinion would be radically different if it was left-wing people who brought guns to a Bush or McCain event. No matter how legal it is, its still incredibly childish. Its a very stupid and provocative way to prove a point. Also its kinda holy shit crazy ****ing insane that people can wear assault rifles in public like that...but that's just me being European talking. I get nervous from just seeing cops with guns holstered. ****, even soft-airguns scare the shit out of me.
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My opinion would be the same if they were at a Bush or McCain event (I don't even like Bush or McCain).

Its not really that big a deal in Arizona.... people are pretty used to 'open carry' there. but if they tried it in Europe that would be a BIG mistake! And even in Arizona... If a riot broke out... that would be a very dangerous situation.

Guns are dangerous and its good to have a healthy respect for them, but if handled correctly the risk can be minimized. I have grown up with guns. From a very early age I was instructed in their safe handling (it took 8 years for my dad to allow me to hold a bb gun and 13 for a 22 rifle). They can be a lot of fun, handled properly of course. I to shoot skeet ( a sport where you use a shotgun to shoot clay targets thrown into the air) and sometimes target pistol. I respect guns and as long as I do I have loads of fun.
 
lord_raken said:
But is was peaceful. None of the protesters threatened any one or drew their weapons. How is that violent? They did not break any laws.
The second amendment is so that we may defend of our country from our government should it become tyrannical. That's how we earned our freedom from Great Britain. We were oppressed, we had weapons, we used them and won our freedom. (with some big help from the French)
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Yeah keep defending those hillbillies as they drag your country down the shitter. It's really amusing to watch for the rest of us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVS4Zgjm8HE
 
Raziaar said:
It's god damn Chris Matthews. His show is called ****ing "Hardball". He's not a reporter
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Well yr hardballs are dumb :arms:
From what I've seen, this is one of those things I won't enjoy. Asking Hard Questions is all well and good, but being an obnoxious jerk who interrupts a lot is just annoying.
 
I was just about to post that video. I would have smacked the shit out of her right after she started her mocking crying. Would have floored her right there.

Actually I don't know if I really could do it. Probably not. Would probably hold back because she'd sue the shit out of me the stupid bitch.

Farrowlesparrow said:
Well yr hardballs are dumb :arms:
From what I've seen, this is one of those things I won't enjoy. Asking Hard Questions is all well and good, but being an obnoxious jerk who interrupts a lot is just annoying.
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Pffft! Just making sure they answer the question instead of trailing off.
 
lord_raken said:
Its their right. They were peaceful and not aggressive... It was their goal that their protest get attention and they did.... I see no problem.
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since you have no problem with this you must understand their motives. what possible motive could they have to bring assualt weapons to an Obama event. I'm extremely curious as to what the justification is. please do explain
 
CptStern said:
since you have no problem with this you must understand their motives. what possible motive could they have to bring assualt weapons to an Obama event. I'm extremely curious as to what the justification is. please do explain
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His justification, along with other conservatives you brought guns to the events, is that it was "their right" to do it. Who cares if it's their right? If this is so, why would they specifically carry a loaded firearm to an Obama event and flaunt it instead of carrying them out of the eyes of the public, everywhere they go? Their blatancy is what shows their intentions of provocation. In Hardball, that gun-toter continually avoided the real question: "Why did you bring a loaded gun to a presidential event?" and instead justified it by saying it was his right to carry them on the street if he pleased. But no, this isn't just "on the street". It was at public meeting with the president. There should be no respect to have for his argument.
 
lol the right to bare arms is stupid, it may of been a good idea back in the 1700's but not now. Thank god i don't live in america.

In australia, a normal citizen can not get automatic or semi automatic weapons, and you sure as hell can't walk down the street with a gun, you would be shot by the police with out question.
 
Xevrex said:
His justification, along with other conservatives you brought guns to the events, is that it was "their right" to do it.
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this explains nothing. it was their right to wear makeup, drive a clown car, pick their nose in public and fart to their hearts content. that "excuse" is just that an excuse. they brought their guns for a very good reason; this:


Xevrex said:
carry a loaded firearm to an Obama event and flaunt it instead of carrying them out of the eyes of the public, everywhere they go? Their blatancy is what shows their intentions of provocation.
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Xevrex said:
In Hardball, that gun-toter continually avoided the real question: "Why did you bring a loaded gun to a presidential event?" and instead justified it by saying it was his right to carry them on the street if he pleased. But no, this isn't just "on the street". It was at public meeting with the president. There should be no respect to have for his argument.
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this is why I asked raken that question. I'd really like to hear any sort of justification that makes sense other than the truth, which is plain for everyone to see: provocation
 
CptStern said:
this explains nothing. it was their right to wear makeup, drive a clown car, pick their nose in public and fart to their hearts content. that "excuse" is just that an excuse. they brought their guns for a very good reason; this:

this is why I asked raken that question. I'd really like to hear any sort of justification that makes sense other than the truth, which is plain for everyone to see: provocation
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Exactly. It's quite sad that they're flaunting a "right" to try to denounce liberals.
 
lord_raken said:
Its their right. They were peaceful and not aggressive... It was their goal that their protest get attention and they did.... I see no problem.
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Passive aggressive is still aggressive.

lord_raken said:
I would have advised that the weapons not be loaded.
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What in the world would make you think their guns won't be loaded? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of a handgun?


Someone said that they should be required to keep be their weapons concealed. I think you need to be a force of the government to carry a concealed firearm; namely: police or FBI - something along those lines.


If the secret service allows them to carry here, what will happen, I'm guessing, is multiple snipers for each of these fools, watching them like a hawk. These forces will be in addition to standard security measures.
 
I didnt know it had been posted. i use a work safe browser that hides all images and video
 
CptStern said:
I didnt know it had been posted. i use a work safe browser that hides all images and video
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worksafe browsers are for pussies. real men risk their employment and medical benfits. (if in the good ole usa)
 
see in Kanadistan our commie overlords give us FREE medical care ...so long as we denounce americanism and say th eoccasional sentence in french ...this is the only sentence I know:

je suis bete
 
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