Army Planning for 4 More Years in Iraq

[TakerofSouls]

so you think there was only one terrorist during saddams reign?

 

[CptStern]

no, allawi was part of a larger cell

 

[TakerofSouls]

ok just from the way you worded it you made it sound like there was only one terrorist

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

no, there were no terrorists during saddam's reign ..ok that's not entirely true ...former US appointed prime minister of Iraq, Iyad Allawi was a cia trained terrorist who carried out terrorist attacks against iraqi civilians

Ansar Al-Islam?
Hussein regime funding PLO terror activites in Gaza?

 

[Top Secret]

A great many points:

Stern, this thread is perhaps the worst of any you've ever created. You say "do you know what you're getting into" which basically, side steps the real issue.

Please people, I beg of you, LOOK AT HISTORY. The mess in Africa is a great example. Or, just look at any country that Britain invaded in their hay day. (Not that you ****ers arn't doing just fine right now ) If we leave now, Iraq will be so ****ed for so many decades, it won't even be funny. The ignorance of some people. Iraq is a commitment, not a bounce in, bounce out deal.

*Edit*

Damnit, What Chi said.

no, allawi was part of a larger cell

You and your Allawi theories. Allawi had ties to the CIA, but so has everyone it seems. Are you going to say that because Bin Laden did, that the WTC happened because the US told him to? Allawi wasn't the CIA's bitch Stern. And he acted away from them. And damnit, Allawi wasn't the only bad guy in Iraq.

 

[CptStern]

Ansar Al-Islam?
Hussein regime funding PLO terror activites in Gaza?

rewarded not funded:

The money is allocated on a sliding scale: $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers; $10,000 to fighters killed resisting the Israelis; $1,000 for a battle injury and $5,000 in compensation for a demolished home.



and ansar al-islam has never been tied to saddam:


"The US has also claimed that Ansar al-Islam has links with Saddam Hussein, thus claiming a link between Hussein and al-Qaeda. The claims were rejected by Krekar, and a presentation by Colin Powell to the UN on February 5, 2003 was met with widespread scepticism"

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

rewarded not funded:

The money is allocated on a sliding scale: $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers; $10,000 to fighters killed resisting the Israelis; $1,000 for a battle injury and $5,000 in compensation for a demolished home.



and ansar al-islam has never been tied to saddam:


"The US has also claimed that Ansar al-Islam has links with Saddam Hussein, thus claiming a link between Hussein and al-Qaeda. The claims were rejected by Krekar, and a presentation by Colin Powell to the UN on February 5, 2003 was met with widespread scepticism"

Oh come on. Where else is that money going to go? You know a good amount of it was just pumped into the PLO to fund those attacks listed.

Ansar Al-Islam may not have been working under Hussein, but they worked freely in Iraq, and that's the point. It's his responsibility to do something about it. Doing nothing is compliance.

 

[ComradeBadger]

This doesn't come as a shock to me.

Rebuilding a country takes time.

I fully supported the war in Iraq, I may not like Bush as a politician, and I may not like how the war was 'sold' to the public. However, I still think the war was justified (most of you know I think that here)

It confuses me slightly that some people here are unable to see the positives in ANYTHING related to the war....

 

[Absinthe]

It confuses me slightly that some people here are unable to see the positives in ANYTHING related to the war....

As it stands, I see the negative far outweighing the positive. Now, I see the potential of good things happening in the long-run, but history's view of this war will depend on wether or not they come to fruition.

And even if Iraq does come out as a land of happiness and sunshine, I will still have major issues with the way the government mislead the people into conflict, as well as the war's conduct.

 

[ComradeBadger]

Indeed, history is always the judge - but history (and people at the time) often get things very wrong - however the best history will be written when everyone involved in the events have died

Annnnnyway. I can agree with you on the the misleading issue, however I don't believe it was quite as cold-blooded as some people think.

 

[CptStern]

Oh come on. Where else is that money going to go? You know a good amount of it was just pumped into the PLO to fund those attacks listed.

your intial point was that he was funding terrorism ..look you're probably right but let's make no mistake here ..according to the bush admin there was no doubt of saddam supporting al queda and terrorism in general ..just like they had absolute proof of saddams vast wmd arsenal. it was all based on trumped up or purposefully deceptive intel. In other words they wanted in regardless if they had a legitimate reason to do so, and once again the iraqi people paid the ultimate sacrifice for that deception

Ansar Al-Islam may not have been working under Hussein, but they worked freely in Iraq, and that's the point. It's his responsibility to do something about it. Doing nothing is compliance.

as of 2001 and only in northern iraq ...no ties to saddam



oh and as to the sentiment shared by some of you that I see nothing good in all this ..well in my defense I'd like to point out that those same promises were made back in 1991 ..the truth of those promises however speak for themselves.

 

[Kebean PFC]

Hoooollllyyyyy God!

Jesus, it is like we are 3 year olds again. The international community is luaghing at us, pointing thier fingers and going, Nah-nananana! We told you so, now lookit hahahaha.....

Get over it all of you. The fact is regardless of why and what we ARE IN IRAQ NOW. As i said before we cannot turn back the clock, nor can we just leave suddenly. This was a major commitment so instead of pointing fingers and arguing back and forth about what we should-have-could-have-done instead, lets see if we can figure out a way to HELP. It may sound stupid and pointless, but what is the point arguing about things that have already happened?