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What's Half Life 2 going to be optimized for?
I Bought a 9800 Pro cause I was under the impression Half Life 2 was going to be optimized for ATi. Especially since the DEMO at E3 was run on a system with a 9800 Pro.
Thanks, Chris
 
Neitherrrr, it's optimized for DX9, and wrong forummm...
 
uhhh, they always use ati. I dont know why. Optimising for one card is the dumbest thing Valve could have made.
 
it's not optimized for any specific hardware as far as valve has told us.

would you really go an buy a 5900 ultra if we told you HL2 was optimized for that card? either card will play the game just fine, as long as its coupled with a nice sub system (mobo, cpu, ram, chipset)
 
lol chris dont worry you bought the right card. even though the 5900 ultra and 9800 pro will probly perform the same in hl2, my guess is that the 9800 pro will be better for hl2 becasue of AA and AF
 
they use the radeon card for the demonstration
but the game is not optimized for any card.
just dx9 and special features.
 
Originally posted by ValVed RaY
they use the radeon card for the demonstration
but the game is not optimized for any card.
just dx9 and special features.
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true,but he still bought an amazing card, same one im getting in september
 
I think Doom 3 is being optimized for the nVidia cards... give id enough money they will do what you ask them.... Its a stupid thing companies do to compete.

I too bought a 9800 Pro. Over nVidia. Because nVidia went down the pooper. :p
 
Doom III has diffent OpenGL modes you cna run it in, depending on what cardset you have. So, in essence, it's optomized for both ATi and nVidia.
 
i did read somewhere that Doom3 was optimized for Nvidia cards.. however i did read that about 5-6 months ago.. and Doom3 was still in alpha testing.. and alot does change in 5-6 months and probably will by the time the game is ready and shipped to the stores.

its safe to say any of the newer/high end cards at the time of the game's release will be a good bet to run the game like a horse
 
I think a 9800 Pro would run just about anything in the near future regardless of it being "optimized" or not :D
 
I can not run Desert Combat on full AA/ASF on full detail and that game is a year old. Infact I still get a lot of slow down (20 fps) running it on 4x FSAA and 8x ASF.
 
Originally posted by ValVed RaY
by the time hl2 is out there will be better video cards
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no i doubt it, even if there are it wont matter. Say a 9900 pro comes out in september...it wouldnt make a difference for hl2 because on a good system it would look exactly the same with maybe a boost of 10-15 fps, even if the 9800 pro already has hl2 over 100. because would be no game to put it to its limit, hl2 will probly just barely put a 9700 pro to the limit.
 
So you're saying - with a good system setup, the 9800 Pro could push the visual limits of Half Life 2, correct?
Thus, you have justified my reasoning for purchasing the 9800 pro. :)
 
If there is some freak out there that just HAS to have the top of the line 29388.3588358 meg ram DX9 video card and wonders which one is best, there is ONE correct answer:

Whichever is cheaper.
 
yea, lol if a new card came out a week or so before hl2, you would be a fool to buy it. 9800 pro will rock halflife2's world (same with a 5900 ultra ;))
 
Originally posted by nsxownzme
So you're saying - with a good system setup, the 9800 Pro could push the visual limits of Half Life 2, correct?
Thus, you have justified my reasoning for purchasing the 9800 pro. :)
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Yes, there's no doubt about it, if you have a 9800 (or 5900), a good deal of RAM and a fast processor the game should run blisteringly fast.
 
This has nothing to do with general discussion. Some mod plz move this to hardware section.

this is hardware related...
 
Originally posted by GLMinorThreat
I think Doom 3 is being optimized for the nVidia cards... give id enough money they will do what you ask them.... Its a stupid thing companies do to compete.

I too bought a 9800 Pro. Over nVidia. Because nVidia went down the pooper. :p
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It's not exactly being optimized for the nVidia cards.

From what I understand, nVidia and ATI have supply the programmers with OpenGL extensions for their cards. And it seems the NV30 pathway provided by nVidia is extremely effective.
 
Originally posted by Gordon Freeload
The FX 5900 retail cards currently shipping run slower than most of the FX cards used in the recent reviews.

Here's a link to a new review using FX 5900 retail cards: http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=3x5900u&page=1

It appears now that the ATI 9800 skunks the FX 5900 in both image quality and speed.
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No, the 5900 is the fastest! Its human error. The reviewers are reading the counters wrong, or the game developers havent included the "NV3X Ultra High Precision" rendering path (mega fast internal calculated 2 bits integers) which will be standard in all games in the future.









:D

Edit: Btw, what idiot reviewer reviews without AF? All those are just 2x or 4x FSAA... NO ONE play with those settings. On ATI one play 2x-6xFSAA and 16xAF and on Nvidia... Well, usually nothing due to horrible speeds, but if one have to, 4xFSAA and up with 8xAF.
 
Originally posted by Face Stabber
It's not exactly being optimized for the nVidia cards.

From what I understand, nVidia and ATI have supply the programmers with OpenGL extensions for their cards. And it seems the NV30 pathway provided by nVidia is extremely effective.
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How can making seperate pathways for Nvidia cards and not Ati NOT be optimising? And how is the NV30 path effective? It runs at lower quality than everything else, but its the only thing that can make Nvidia cards even run Doom3 at a respectable speed.

And HL2 is not neccessarily being optimized for any card. But it IS being optimized for dx9 performance, which coincedentally runs faster and of higher quality on ATI cards by default
 
Originally posted by reever2
How can making seperate pathways for Nvidia cards and not Ati NOT be optimising? And how is the NV30 path effective? It runs at lower quality than everything else, but its the only thing that can make Nvidia cards even run Doom3 at a respectable speed.

And HL2 is not neccessarily being optimized for any card. But it IS being optimized for dx9 performance, which coincedentally runs faster and of higher quality on ATI cards by default
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Simple, ATI only provided the R200 pathway and it isn't any faster than the ARB2 on the R300 & R350.

And Carmack has said that there isn't a visual difference between the image quality of the NV30 pathway and the ARB2.
 
Dude that is totally wrong when u said its only optimised for dx9, first of all its built on dx tech, second its optimised for many cards, when running an ati it will adjust itself to favour atis strengths, it will do the same when u got nvidia hardware.

second of all as long as you got a dx 9 card higher than a 9700 pro, nvidia included, hl2 will play fine, u will get higher frame rather on the nvidia 5900 but on the radeon 9800 pro u will have better quality images.
 
how much more cash (make sure to tell me the currency) is the 256 9800 pro then the 128? im trying to figure out how much money i need to make to buy one of those bad boys
 
I dunno why people are kidding them selves the 9800pro is just a better card admittedly not by much but a noticeable difference from the fx5900. Having owned a 5900 and sent it back for a 9800pro the 9800 is faster, better with AA AF etc, smaller, and doesn’t sound like a granny clearing her noise when it’s given anything heavy to do. But if NVIDIA used 8 pixel pipe line and there higher clock speeds then you would have a difference
 
we all know that ati should just make the 9600 have 8 pipe lines, then you have a card of the champions. but i think ive been over this before.
 
Originally posted by jat
Dude that is totally wrong when u said its only optimised for dx9, first of all its built on dx tech, second its optimised for many cards, when running an ati it will adjust itself to favour atis strengths, it will do the same when u got nvidia hardware.

second of all as long as you got a dx 9 card higher than a 9700 pro, nvidia included, hl2 will play fine, u will get higher frame rather on the nvidia 5900 but on the radeon 9800 pro u will have better quality images.
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Youre right it is built on DX tech. Do you know that Directx provides NO proprietary extensions which makes seperate pathways possible on opengl games like doom3? The only way to "adjust" to differnet cards is to take away or limit features that run like molasses on certain cards. But it is just a coincedence that basically all Ati cards perform ANY and EVERY directx9 operation better and faster than Nvidia cards. Nvidia may get better framerates (MAYBE), but it will be at the expense of a lot of quality loss especially with the dx9 only effects
 
so is it safe to say that pple can not agree on which brand has the edge in the video card wars?


it comes down to preference? seems to me that the 5900 Ultra and the 9800 Pro are neck and neck in competition.. if 1 card is better in 1 area.. the other card is better in another area..

so it comes down to what features are more important to the user..?
 
Originally posted by Dr. Freeman
so is it safe to say that pple can not agree on which brand has the edge in the video card wars?


it comes down to preference? seems to me that the 5900 Ultra and the 9800 Pro are neck and neck in competition.. if 1 card is better in 1 area.. the other card is better in another area..

so it comes down to what features are more important to the user..?
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What it seems to be and what it is is two different things :D
Due to Nvidia's doubtfull nature of its drivers its impossible to say.
What I would like to see is someone testing for example 2k3 pixel shaders and a program that replicates these pixel shaders outside 2k3. Easy to see if its 2k3 optimized. (we already saw a drop in one pixel shader test, 5900 and 9800 was neck to neck (within a few fps) in the 100-300 fps range, then one reshuffle and suddenly the 5900 cant achieve higher than 40 fps in ANY of the tests!! The 9800 results was basicly unchanged (+-0.1 fps))

So who knows? Well, except Nvidia :)

I think one can make a very easy comparison between the two cards:
Imagine two cars. One Formel 1 car, the fastest of its kind (ATI). One dragracer, the absolutely meanest car ever built (Nvidia).

Place these on a dragracing course. Then let em go. Who would win? The Nvidia car would pull ahead immensly, leaving the ATI car in a pile of burnt rubber.

But place them on a racetrack, with devious turns all over the place... Which would win? The Nvidia car would tip over in the first curve :D

DX9 is the racetrack. Not the dragrace course. DX9 is built of turns, expandable in whatever way you want, its not a straight lane.

There, easy explanation of which card I think will win :)
 
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