Australia's first female Prime Minister

Kevin 07 out in 10.

Kevin rudd is the worst prime minister in the history of Australia.

Gilard is rudd junoir. She's not even Australian, she was born in wales and is a uk citizen.
 
I felt sorry for him during his final speech in the PM's courtyard...

Even though I don't vote Labor, he has still served his country proud - seriously xdrive, he isn't the worst by any stretch.
 
So, uh, what happens to Rudd's GIGANTIC NAVY FOR AUSTRALIA plan?
 
Sloth said:
I felt sorry for him during his final speech in the PM's courtyard...

Even though I don't vote Labor, he has still served his country proud - seriously xdrive, he isn't the worst by any stretch.
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This.
 
It's Funny because Xdrive a year ago actually didn't think of him as bad.
 
His final speech was the biggest piss-take. Could he fkn say "im proud of the fact" any more times? And everytime he paused, jeez compose yourself.

Still pissed all the hippy ****s voted him in over johnny in the first place. Now we got this hopeless woman in, would rather abbot in a heartbeat hopefully within the next 4 months after she calls an election she will be ousted as quickly as she rose to the top.

Btw it was nice to see her have Kevin's back all this time saying "im 100% behind kevin as our leader" etc and then within 24 hours she stabs him in the back. This is the woman now running our country, a power hungry and pathetic person who thinks she can actually run this country. **** politics would rather Johnny come back and rule as a dictatorship so we wouldnt have to put up with this shit.
 
Right, you're an idiot. Moving on.
 
Sathernut said:
Btw it was nice to see her have Kevin's back all this time saying "im 100% behind kevin as our leader" etc and then within 24 hours she stabs him in the back. This is the woman now running our country, a power hungry and pathetic person who thinks she can actually run this country. **** politics would rather Johnny come back and rule as a dictatorship so we wouldnt have to put up with this shit.
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Wow, just wow...

You do realize that Gillard only threw her hat into the ring after a few of the Labor factions had called for a Leadership vote?

And hell, you could say the same power-hungry things about Howard, who never let go of the Prime Ministerial Office to let Costello take the job.
 
A little better on the eye than Abbott
 
xdrive said:
A year ago he wasn't ****ing things up.
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He did two things wrong and was generally pretty dickish about leading and they ousted him.

The carbon trading scheme he back down on, which was a campaign promise of his, and the super mining tax. Add that together with being a dick apparently makes you the worst PM ever?

What?
 
Sparta said:
He did two things wrong and was generally pretty dickish about leading and they ousted him.

The carbon trading scheme he back down on, which was a campaign promise of his, and the super mining tax. Add that together with being a dick apparently makes you the worst PM ever?

What?
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wow pretty ignorant, you don't actually know what your pm was doing.

He gave us a massive deficient with his out of control spending.

He broken numerous elections promises including 240 new day care centres and a tax on carbon. (the minister in charge of this was informed of the cancellation by a newspaper, not by the prime minister which proves further how shitty the cabinet was run)

He was responsible for the poor implementation and regulation of the home insulation scheme which resulted in over 10+ deaths

He was responsible for the poor implementation and regulation of the "building the education revolution" program which wasted 100's of millions of dollars. (our new pm was also responsible for this)

He softened our border protection laws which was then seen with mass illegal entries into our country and he refused to do anything about it.

He introduce a super profits mining tax without ANY consultation with people in the industry and without doing any research.

He failed at maintaining a workable cabinet. The country was run by a gang of four. Nothing was run past the cabinet, it was just approved by the gang of 4 and everyone else was just told to sign off on it.

He did nothing on the illegal whaling in our waters by the japanese and only decided to do something this year when the election is just right around the corner.

Those are the major ones, the list goes on.
 
The only things he did that got him kicked out were the backpedalling on the ETS, which wasn't his fault since the Senate went mad about it, and the Super Profits Mining Tax where the industry went pretty much bug**** and he refused to compromise.

Everything else is just Liberal talking points.
 
Jintor said:
The only things he did that got him kicked out were the backpedalling on the ETS, which wasn't his fault since the Senate went mad about it, and the Super Profits Mining Tax where the industry went pretty much bug**** and he refused to compromise.

Everything else is just Liberal talking points.
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No, the reason he was kicked out is because the bad opinion polls he was getting.

The reason he was getting bad opinions polls is for the reasons i stated above.
 
xdrive said:
wow pretty ignorant, you don't actually know what your pm was doing.

He gave us a massive deficient with his out of control spending.

He introduce a super profits mining tax without ANY consultation with people in the industry and without doing any research.

He failed at maintaining a workable cabinet. The country was run by a gang of four. Nothing was run past the cabinet, it was just approved by the gang of 4 and everyone else was just told to sign off on it.
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You watch a lot of TV don't you.

While I'm no Labour fan the spending was clearly worth it and there was consultation on the mining tax, they're claiming there wasn't because it didn't result in the policy that industry wanted.

I know all that is crap because it's exactly what I heard on MTR on the way home.
 
Robbo said:
I know all that is crap because it's exactly what I heard on MTR on the way home.
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Maybe because it's the truth? Seems your trying to imply it's not true.

I wouldn't call the millions wasted in the stimulus spending projects such as "building the education revolution "worth it"

Do some research.
 
Just a question before we progress - did you, in any way, benefit from the massive spending initiative that Rudd embarked on? I'm just a little sick of hearing people who applied for First Homebuyer's grants and got an extra $950 and so on whine about the stimulus package.

Not disagreeing that a lot of the money spent on the education revolution was badly spent or misapplied, but it's a lot better than what Johnny Boy was doing to our education system before. Also, national cirriculums! Sweetness.

/edit Also, whine about Asylum seekers and I'll gut ya.
 
Jintor said:
Just a question before we progress - did you, in any way, benefit from the massive spending initiative that Rudd embarked on? I'm just a little sick of hearing people who applied for First Homebuyer's grants and got an extra $950 and so on whine about the stimulus package.
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Yes, i received 950 dollars and i donated it to charity. It was a dumb idea and didn't work. The reason we didn't go into recession is because of the mining industry. Most people spent there money at the pokies and on other things that wouldn't even help the economy.

Not disagreeing that a lot of the money spent on the education revolution was badly spent or misapplied, but it's a lot better than what Johnny Boy was doing to our education system before. Also, national cirriculums! Sweetness.
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I disagree. I would prefer spending no money at all then wasting money.

There was tons of schools that had a school hall and then was given stimulus money and forced to build a second school hall. That's wastefull and stupid.
 
xdrive said:
wow pretty ignorant, you don't actually know what your pm was doing.

He gave us a massive deficient with his out of control spending.
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Any spending that isn't done by the Liberals is deemed "out of control spending". The only legitimate complaint about spending that i've seen, is the over-spending on education for schools that literally didn't need it.

xdrive said:
He did nothing on the illegal whaling in our waters by the japanese and only decided to do something this year when the election is just right around the corner.
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This would've happened with any other Prime Minister or politician elected, anywhere. Just like Obama will try to finally repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell when either the November elections come around or the 2012 ones do.

It's not that important an issue as other issues, but it gets the youth vote on side when they want it on side. Dick move but that's politics.

xdrive said:
He softened our border protection laws which was then seen with mass illegal entries into our country and he refused to do anything about it.
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This is one of the most bullshit talking points in Australian politics. More people arrive illegally by plane than by boat every year and no one gives a shit. The influx of refugees is so small thanks to our location (what with an ocean surrounding us) that we will never have to worry about refugees anywhere near as much as any other country on the planet.

That's forgetting to mention that 90% of those illegal immigrants end up qualifying for refugee status anyway. At the worst of times, Australia has had 4500 illegal immigrants by boat a year. Getting worked up about the 450 of those illegal immigrants that aren't refugees is such nonsense given that we number 21 million people. Besides, those numbers have been agitated by wars and conflicts near us internationally, not solely by Rudd weakening laws the Howard government put in place.

xdrive said:
He failed at maintaining a workable cabinet. The country was run by a gang of four. Nothing was run past the cabinet, it was just approved by the gang of 4 and everyone else was just told to sign off on it.
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How is this different from Howard?

But I will give you these:
xdrive said:
He introduce a super profits mining tax without ANY consultation with people in the industry and without doing any research.

He was responsible for the poor implementation and regulation of the home insulation scheme which resulted in over 10+ deaths

He was responsible for the poor implementation and regulation of the "building the education revolution" program which wasted 100's of millions of dollars. (our new pm was also responsible for this)
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I totally agree with you on these. The only thing I thought he did right here was that he was actually at least trying to spend money on education. Shame it was spending a lot of it on rich schools that didn't need it, or not allowing them to spend how they would like over getting them to waste it on adding buildings they don't need.

So yeah, he ****ed up on a few things and was generally a dickhead to his members. How does that qualify him for worst PM? He had a bad few months and got ousted when it was politically favourable for the Labour party. That doesn't qualify him as the worst PM. Nonsense.
 
Nobody mentioned that pointless alco-pop tax Rudd put in place shortly after being elected.

Not only did he fail at stopping kids from binge-drinking, he got them to start buying the shit straight 'cause it ends up cheaper.
 
This is one of the most bullshit talking points in Australian politics. More people arrive illegally by plane than by boat every year and no one gives a shit. The influx of refugees is so small thanks to our location (what with an ocean surrounding us) that we will never have to worry about refugees anywhere near as much as any other country on the planet.
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Proof?

How is this different from Howard?
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Umm howards cabinet had a say on everything and made decisions together. Kevins was a gang of 4.


So yeah, he ****ed up on a few things and was generally a dickhead to his members. How does that qualify him for worst PM? He had a bad few months and got ousted when it was politically favourable for the Labour party. That doesn't qualify him as the worst PM. Nonsense.
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I can't remember a prime minister that was responsible for the deaths of 10+ people (outside of war) I think that makes him a pretty bad prime minister in it's own right.

Danimal said:
Nobody mentioned that pointless alco-pop tax Rudd put in place shortly after being elected.

Not only did he fail at stopping kids from binge-drinking, he got them to start buying the shit straight 'cause it ends up cheaper.
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^^ This.

It was just another tax to give him more spending money.
 
Danimal said:
Nobody mentioned that pointless alco-pop tax Rudd put in place shortly after being elected.

Not only did he fail at stopping kids from binge-drinking, he got them to start buying the shit straight 'cause it ends up cheaper.
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Yeah true. No one has mentioned the net filter either, which is a disastrous idea and will hopefully be ****ed right off any day now that he's gone. Yet the the Liberals are just as much for that as Labour.

xdrive said:
I can't remember a prime minister that was responsible for the deaths of 4 people (outside of war) I think that makes him a pretty bad prime minister in it's own right
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Yeah that's pretty bad too, but we'll never know how many asylum seekers died from having their boats blocked from entering our waters or being forcibly towed back out to sea thanks to the Pacific Solution. We could have saved the lives of 350 people onboard SIEV X if our border policies weren't so xenophobic under the Howard government.
 
Robbo said:
http://www.swivel.com/workbooks/20070-Asylum-seeker-intake-by-country

We don't take many at all......

As for the spending be reckless or however you described it. Are you going to sit here and tell us we would be better off without it? Yes some was used at the pokies but how would you distribute billions of dollars or stimulus money to all the traders, small businesses etc.. in Australia if not by using the population.
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A spread sheet on a random website is your proof? Not good enough. I want a government website or some other very credible source.
 
Sparta said:
Yeah true. No one has mentioned the net filter either, which is a disastrous idea and will hopefully be ****ed right off any day now that he's gone. Yet the the Liberals are just as much for that as Labour.



Yeah that's pretty bad too, but we'll never know how many asylum seekers died from having their boats blocked from entering our waters or being forcibly towed back out to sea thanks to the Pacific Solution. We could have saved the lives of 350 people onboard SIEV X if our border policies weren't so xenophobic under the Howard government.
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It's a different situation. The asylum seekers are risking their lives and losing their lives out of their own accord.

Asylum seekers fly to Indonesia and then pay up to 20,000 dollars AUD to a people smuggler to smuggle them in.

Why can't they stay in Indonesia?

Speaking of Indonesia, do you all know how Indonesia treats asylum seekers? They just tow them back out to see and leave them to die and the very few they let come to shore they put in 3rd world country prisons.
 
I read through this entire thread not knowinig a damn thing about Australian politics. When I saw you guys were arguing over millions (with an "M") wasted and about 4,000 illegal immigrants a year I realized just how ****ed the United States really is.

If there is any place in the world I turly want to visit it has to be Australia.
 
xdrive said:
A spread sheet on a random website is your proof? Not good enough. I want a government website or some other very credible source.
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http://www.unhcr.org/4adebca49.html

http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/19/when-it-comes-to-asylum-seekers-australia-is-no-malta/

http://www.unhcr.org/4adebca49.html

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s2724620.htm

http://www.crikey.com.au/2009/10/15/latest-wave-of-boat-people-push-or-pull/

Here, try the ABC, Crikey.com, and the United Nations Refugee Agency.

Why can't they stay in Indonesia?

Speaking of Indonesia, do you all know how Indonesia treats asylum seekers? They just tow them back out to see and leave them to die and the very few they let come to shore they put in 3rd world country prisons.
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Uh...
 
No Limit said:
If there is any place in the world I truly want to visit it has to be Australia
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Visiting it would be pretty nice I suppose. Living here becomes more and more expensive everyday though, it seems.
 
No Limit said:
I read through this entire thread not knowinig a damn thing about Australian politics. When I saw you guys were arguing over millions (with an "M") wasted and about 4,000 illegal immigrants a year I realized just how ****ed the United States really is.

If there is any place in the world I turly want to visit it has to be Australia.
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Hahaha, yeh. The U.S is way worse off. Any kind of wasteful spending here is frowned upon. Our government usually delivers surplus budgets, unless labor is in power.

Labor has never ever delivered a surplus budget.
 
Yeah, Aussie politics likes to go through cycles like that. Liberals get the money, and Labour spends it. That's how we roll.
 
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