Ban the guns

[ironclad]

from: http://www.pnews.org/PhpWiki/index.php/ArmedAndDangerous
"Americans buy handguns to protect themselves in a violent society, and it has to be admitted that there are instances in which the purchase has worked as intended. It would be both foolish and wrong to deny the episodic, if rare, efficiency of force or the occasional value of a weapon. The point is to assess the odds and make a rational choice. In the case of handguns, the evidence is overwhelming, both nationally and internationally, that purchasing a firearm for personal safety is a step taken in vain. The presence of a gun in the home is a bigger menace to its occupants than to any intruder."

from: http://www.srpublications.com/juvenile/Teens-And-Guns-Preventing-Violence.htm
(more recent data)
" On any given school day, 160,000 guns are carried into American classrooms by students. Every day, 15 youths are killed by handguns. An American adolescent commits suicide with a gun every six hours. Firearm murders of youths 19 and under rose 125% in a recent six-year period. "

 

[baron insig]

those are some scary statisitcs.

guns are fun for going otu shooting at a shooting range and the like, however due to the fact that they ca also kill people it kinda screws it up for the people whos hobby it is to go out" shooting"

Gun clubs are a btter idea, co sanyone who tries to rob one of them will get shot to shizzle by the owners with there mp5s and the like

 

[The Monkey]

No it doesn't. How do you even come up wth this crap?

Yes it does. And I doubt very much that 1 000 000 people will die if you ban guns. The effect will be the opposite of that. Take things like Columbine School as an exaplme. That would never had happened if guns were banned.

 

[GiaOmerta]

www.a-human-right.com

 

[ALEXDJ]

conclution is:

guns for personal use are outdated notion

Violence creats violence

 

[ALEXDJ]

www.a-human-right.com

what an horribly bias website

i wish to have a human right, not to be wondering if i get shot if i accendently end up on someone else's property

 

[MuToiD_MaN]

Banning guns won't help, I agree. Guns are bad, m'kay? I agree. There's no good solution.

 

[ALEXDJ]

Banning guns won't help, I agree. Guns are bad, m'kay? I agree. There's no good solution.

so if you have a diffical problem, you just say "there's no good solution" and give up, or you work hard and make the solution

 

[Kebean PFC]

Take things like Columbine School as an exaplme. That would never had happened if guns were banned.

Yes it would have. Banning gun does not = Poofta they are gone. I will always be able to purchase a gun, for how much and for where is a moot point, if i want to commit crimes, do you think i will care that it is illegal?

what an horribly bias website

Just like most of you anti-gun "evidence."

so if you have a diffical problem, you just say "there's no good solution" and give up, or you work hard and make the solution

Becuyase baning guns will not help the problem. You take your informaton slectivley. For example: "For Every Time a Women Uses a Handgun to Kill in Self-Defense, 101 Women Die in Handgun Murders"

To you it means that handguns are bad becuase they kill women. To me it means that more women should own handguns. There is no answer.

But i will not be rendered defensless by anyone, and unless you are willing to sit in my closet, ready to protect me at a moments notice, then dont tell me about why guns should be taken away... you obviously have not lived where i have, never knowing if you would wake up to the sound of breaking glass. Never knowing if you would come home to a house that had been broken into. Don't tell me about saftey.

 

[GhostFox]

conclution is:

guns for personal use are outdated notion

Violence creats violence

England has one of the highest violent crime rates in the developed world. Many times that of the US rate. Yet England has very strict gun control laws.

I'm not saying that I know the answer. But from your argument it doesn't appear that you do either.

 

[Calanen]

Yes it does. And I doubt very much that 1 000 000 people will die if you ban guns. The effect will be the opposite of that. Take things like Columbine School as an exaplme. That would never had happened if guns were banned.

I have posted the stats - 700,000 to 1 million people a year defend themselves lawfully with guns in the US. What is there to doubt about that? What percentage would you say can actually be able to use kung fu moves to defend themeslves and not be killed or injured if disarmed. Thats a factual statistic, and you are just saying ' oh i doubt it'...... If it was 700,000 too 1 million people killed by guns illegally - ud be jumping up and down saying 'See proves guns are bad.' Just because it is a statistic you don't like - u say, 'doubt it...'

 

[oldagerocker]

You're all tools of the US government, you dont Need handguns to be safe. You arent going to be mugged as soon as you leave your home. These incidents are very rare.
Damn right ban the guns, people shouldnt have them. its like, oh, its ok to shoot someone and kill them, but getting upclose and stabbing them to death with a biro pen is so wrong!!... like there's a difference.
Less guns would lower voilence and the fear people have, feeling the need to carry guns is all misconceived.

Yes, i did watch Bowling for Columbine last night, and its all correct.

Being able to bear guns to take down the government if it ever did become that unpopular is fine, but having one to 'protect' yourself from some enemy that isn't even there is just foolish.

 

[The Monkey]

The other thread had 470 replies. You're getting close...

 

[KoreBolteR]

You're all tools of the US government, you dont Need handguns to be safe. You arent going to be mugged as soon as you leave your home. These incidents are very rare.
Damn right ban the guns, people shouldnt have them. its like, oh, its ok to shoot someone and kill them, but getting upclose and stabbing them to death with a biro pen is so wrong!!... like there's a difference.
Less guns would lower voilence and the fear people have, feeling the need to carry guns is all misconceived.

Yes, i did watch Bowling for Columbine last night, and its all correct.

Being able to bear guns to take down the government if it ever did become that unpopular is fine, but having one to 'protect' yourself from some enemy that isn't even there is just foolish.

rocker, i think the americans should keep thier guns legal, and we should keep ours Illegal.

changing any of them will cause more confusion..

 

[Kebean PFC]

How bout this:

We that LIVE in the US can comment and those who dont CAN'T.

That would cut down immensly on all this anti-gun crap.

you dont Need handguns to be safe. You arent going to be mugged as soon as you leave your home. These incidents are very rare.

Oh really? Well i don't know where you live, but hwre i do I have:
-Been mugged 4 times
-House broken into Twice

Both time police showed up 20mins later. WTF does that do huh? The stuff that i have worked by ass off to earn has just flown away and i got some fat cop telling me that "We'll get him eventually..."

Please read all posts before you choose to comment.

 

[ThomasToad]

I havn't read the whole thread but do any of you realize that if guns were banned criminals would still overwhelmingly have access to them through illegal means, which in fact the vast majority of criminals already own guns illegally. This would keep LAW ABIDING CITIZENS from owning a gun...and you can't simply deny the fact that people do use guns for defensive purposes and it does have an effect...dont act like it's some non-existent threat. Oh and stop comparing U.S. vs other countries in terms of gun related crimes, it's simply a whole different situation.

 

[kirovman]

We that LIVE in the US can comment and those who dont CAN'T.

That would cut down immensly on all this anti-gun crap.

If you don't like reading other people's opinions, the politics forum is the worst place to visit.

 

[Kebean PFC]

Did i ever say i didn't like other peoples opinions? No, i pointed out a fact. Most people posting on this thread against guns DO NOT LIVE IN THE US!

 

[CptStern]

doesnt that tell you something? seriously ...the only place in world with a unviersal obsession with instruments of death ...if aliens came down to earth and you were the first people they'd met, they incinerate the earth just to be on the safe side :E

 

[T.H.C.138]

and would that be such a bad thing?

maybe if they met any other country first...we would all be enslaved..who knows?

either way is just as likely to happen no matter who the aliens meet first..

haven't you seen Mars Attacks? Independence Day? War of the Worlds?

WE ARE MEAT!!! heh heh!!

BTW not trying to be a dick or anything just trying to lighten the mood a little! :cheers:

 

[Calanen]

We that LIVE in the US can comment and those who dont CAN'T.

I used to live in the US and would still if I was allowed to - so I think I have something useful to say.

People don't like guns, because they have been 'domesticated' by the government. The prevailing view needs to be - the government has the weapons, you do not. But looking at it from the individual standpoint, it is better if you are attacked that you have something to defend yourself with than not.

And as I say, 700,000 to 1 million people a year defend themselves in the US lawfully with guns each year.

It is better for the state that as few as possible people have guns - makes them a lot easier to control. The state is to some extent paranoid and sees any weapons in civilian hands as a threat. It wants only the police and the army to have the guns. ANd if you die because you do not have one to defend yourself, that does not matter to the state. Does it matter to you though?

But from an individual standpoint, its far better that you have a gun so you can defend yourself if you need to. Its only in the last 10 years since guns were banned in Australia that our family does not have them. In the 200 years that we did have them, there were no gun accidents, no1 went on a rampage and shot anybody, guns were used to stop wild dogs attacking, and once to protect a child from dogs attacking. A large amount of livestock were protected, pests were shot, and wild pigs erradicated.

There was one suicide that was made to look like an accident during the Great Depression for the insurance money.

This is in Australia. I am not aware of guns being used to defend against attackers, but then again - it is possible it happened but family history gets patchy over 200 years. Ill have to ask my uncle about it.

Its interesting - Kebean saying about getting broken into, I have loads of stuff stolen too over the years, including a car used in armed robbery as the getaway vehicle that was wiped out into a parked car....and they got away on foot from the police. The owner of the parked car threatened to sue me, but eventually thought better of it when he found out I was an attorney. Somebody here typed 'so just fill in your insurance claim form....' Bizarre point of view, because there is insurance available, people have the right to steal and smash your belongings without interference.

Guns that are kept securely away from children are fine. In Switzerland, every household where a person is in the Reserves, has an auto rifle (or did) locked away for military defence. I don't think I have ever heard of it being used to kill people. It may have happened, but it would be very rare.

 

[Kebean PFC]

We that LIVE in the US can comment and those who dont CAN'T.

That would cut down immensly on all this anti-gun crap.

That was my poor wording. I can't think of a better way to say it now, so ill let it be.

 

[ONE MAN CLAN]

do you guys know why they banned me?

 

[Kebean PFC]

Do we care?? Spam post is probably why.

 

[Llama]

and that, my friends, is pwnage.
I have no idea what to think, over in the little 'ol UK its illegal to carry a weapon and we still have a fairly high crime rate

 

[Jaded]

It would be impossible to outlaw guns in the United States. Criminals would still have access to guns through illegal means, and who would be able to stop them from killing your family and raping your daughter when police are not available? Crime rates would most likely skyrocket. You have the right to bear arms as a American citizen.

For anyone that says if there werent any guns there wouldnt be school killings is stuipid. Cain killed Able with a rock, anyone would be able to just grab a knife, bat, anything and there would still be school killings.

Hunting. Alot of people in the US hunt game. If guns were illegal how would hunt wild game? Population levels would skyrocket. Some people say hunting is cruel, when it is infact keeping them alive from their ownselves. Deer and other game animals would become as plentiful as mice.

 

[short recoil]

It would be impossible to outlaw guns in the United States.

Wrong, it would be entirely possible to outlaw guns, however people would go NUTS and you would have about a million red necks driving into washington with m1919's mounted on pick ups.

I can't see americans giving up gun rights at all.

It was different in the UK, 1988 regulations because of hungerford, 1996 because of dunblane, smaller country more effected by such events.

 

[trizzm]

guns will stop being the cause of murders the day idiots, imbeciles, morons and mentally challenged people stop having the right to reproduce freely.

 

[firemachine69]

why do you care? you're canadian remember? we have much stricter laws

Just cause we're losing the fight doesn't mean others have to.

If ever I'm ambushed/assaulted/WHATEVER with ANY type of weapon, I've personally committed myself to suing the canadian government at least 10 million dollars (I'm thinking if it's a supposed "prohibited" firearms, at least 100 mil, as much the the supposed initial cost of the gun registry) for them taking away the right to protect myself, as well as committing me as "guilty until proven innocent", because that's how they treat you if they know you posess/utilize a firearms (which BTW, would be against my Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom, to be innocent until proven guilty).

 

[CptStern]

Just cause we're losing the fight doesn't mean others have to.

If ever I'm ambushed/assaulted/WHATEVER with ANY type of weapon, I've personally committed myself to suing the canadian government at least 10 million dollars (I'm thinking if it's a supposed "prohibited" firearms, at least 100 mil, as much the the supposed initial cost of the gun registry) for them taking away the right to protect myself, as well as committing me as "guilty until proven innocent", because that's how they treat you if they know you posess/utilize a firearms (which BTW, would be against my Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom, to be innocent until proven guilty).

ooooooooookay :O

 

[firemachine69]

No seriously. When you have a gun in your possession, you're AUTOMATICALLY labelled a criminal by the government and the police...

 

[CptStern]

? if it's illegal ...yes I agree

 

[firemachine69]

Alright. Here's a good example. I'm fully interested in a Para-Ordnance 7+1 .45 CCW handgun (obviously, not going to carry, and I have yet to find a custom left-eject slide that won't anally rape my wallet). Perfectly legal in every way. Yet even the slightest mention of it to ANYONE, I get shifty eyes, except of course, those that actually own their own firearms (I even get a few shifty eyes from the shotgun/rifle only crowd).

 

[Foxtrot]

? if it's illegal ...yes I agree

If you are walking down the street with a hunting rifle, people will be a little suspicious of you. If you have a gun visible in your car the police will probably pull you over, but of course what am I saying, Stern does know more about living in America than I do.

 

[CptStern]

Alright. Here's a good example. I'm fully interested in a Para-Ordnance 7+1 .45 tac-ops handgun. Perfectly legal in every way. Yet even the slightest mention of it to ANYONE, I get shifty eyes, except of course, those that actually own their own firearms (I even get a few shifty eyes from the shotgun/rifle only crowd).

it's not legal ..handguns are restricted and the one you're talking about may be prohibited

 

[firemachine69]

Fully legal. It's a restricted firearm, barrel length is greater then 4", capacity is under 10 (7+1, tho, it's easy to find 10 cap mags for just about any handgun, seems to be a defacto limit).

As long as I can eventually obtain both PALs (don't forsee any problems), it will be fully legal to own this one.

Trust me on this one, I've looked it up over and over.

I am getting a little ahead of myself, first in order of business, my unrestricted PAL, a .22 rifle, will try to find a lefty model. These guys are dirt cheap, and ammo is about 20 bucks for a box of 500.

Should be lots of fun plinking.