Barbaric honor killing Britian - Culture or religion or all of the above.

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http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/21/1984458.htm?section=justin

Three men have been jailed in Britain over a "barbaric" honour killing ordered by the family of a 20-year-old Kurdish woman, after she had an affair with a man they deemed unsuitable.
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According to prosecutors, Hama confessed that Ms Mahmod's ordeal lasted two hours and said she was subjected to rape and other degrading sexual acts before being garrotted.
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Why didn't they kill themselves for being unsuitable to live in modern society?

gg
 
Such is another wonderful attraction courtesy of Islam.
 
It's so hard to reconcicile your image with Zul'jin's, Abs. > <
 
Britain is such a nice place, and they're not at all the place where these killings happen the most.

Ok, that's a lie. Britain has a problem with immigration.
 
Nemesis6 said:
Britain is such a nice place, and they're not at all the place where these killings happen the most.

Ok, that's a lie. Britain has a problem with immigration.
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Please, Honor killing is a horrible thing, anyone who does it has absolutely no place in any society and does not deserve to live. However, it's a rare thing in Britain, extremely rare, let's not take it out of proportion.
 
But there is an immigration problem. >_<
 
my brother in law got a relation with a half-kurdish woman a couple of years ago.

Ath that time she was not yet divorced, but was living separate from her husband.

We weren't able to talk about their relationship as she was afraid for honor wrath/killing.

I don't know how often this thing happens, but it's really awful to be scared of your own friends and family.

Now their relationship is finally in the open and they're getting married in 2 months. Thank god/allah nothing has happened but it really gets me pissed of when I think about the whole situation. What the hell are people thinking when they decide for other people how they should live their lives. And if that's not enough, some even think it's justified to take the law (islamic law?) into their own hands. It really sickens me.
 
repiV said:
What planet do you live on? :rolleyes:

I swear, you just say stupid shit like that because you want to be different.
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Well I wouldn't call it stupid, but a little thought-provoking. Think of it, if you were forced to leave your country for whatever reason, would you want to be judged for your own actions or for the poor political and social policy in the country your immigrating
 
RoyaleWithCheese said:
Well I wouldn't call it stupid, but a little thought-provoking. Think of it, if you were forced to leave your country for whatever reason, would you want to be judged for your own actions or for the poor political and social policy in the country your immigrating
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What on earth has that got to do with the tidal wave of immigration we're currently enduring?
 
repiV said:
What on earth has that got to do with the tidal wave of immigration we're currently enduring?
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another thread on the UK where repiV steers it towards the problem of immigration? no, you dont say
 
oh I see, because all immigrants rape and murder their family members
 
CptStern said:
another thread on the UK where repiV steers it towards the problem of immigration? no, you dont say
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It was already about the problem of immigration before I posted, I replied directly to a post on the subject. What the hell are you talking about, and why are you so quick to defend baseless comments made by Solaris that are founded in complete ignorance?
 
repiV said:
It was already about the problem of immigration before I posted.
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What, from what others had posted or the thread topic? If the latter, how do you figure?

repiV said:
comments made by Solaris that are founded in complete ignorance?
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Solaris probably could have put whatever point he was trying to make much better, instead of just throwing it out there in an attempt to flaunt his sometimes silly opinion. ;)
 
Samon said:
What, from what others had posted or the thread topic? If the latter, how do you figure?
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No - from what others had posted. :)

Solaris probably could have put whatever point he was trying to make much better, instead of just throwing it out there in an attempt to flaunt his sometimes silly opinion. ;)
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As far as I can tell, he doesn't really even have a valid reason. It's just some nonsense about meeting people from other cultures broadening the mind and peace and love and so on.
Completely ignoring the reality that a society can only accomodate a certain level of immigration before it starts to experience social breakdown, and we have passed that point. Not to mention that many of the people coming to the country these days are more akin to colonists than immigrants.
He lives in a fairytale dreamworld.
 
The problem with that little fairytale is that Britain does, in fact, NOT need more people like Islamic Rage Boy.
 
Samon said:
Right, it's called Socialism. Or Solarism.
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Solarism...I like it. Is that the unique form of communism Solaris talks about where people are free as well as oppressed? :D
 
Nemesis6 said:
The problem with that little fairytale is that Britain does, in fact, NOT need more people like Islamic Rage Boy.
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Look, why don't you try putting forward some considered and balanced opinions supported with logic instead of your one liners and hysterical ranting?
I'm not saying you don't have a point here, but you come across like an idiot in the process and any similarities between your opinion and reality you would think is more a case of sheer coincidence than any kind of enlightened thought.
It ain't that difficult to do.
 
What's there to say from my part? I'm just observing from over here. I don't really know much about your immigration system, just the "incidents" it has produced.
 
What a wonderful insight into your thought-process Nemesis. It explains alot. Now shut up.
 
Nemesis6 said:
What's there to say from my part? I'm just observing from over here. I don't really know much about your immigration system, just the "incidents" it has produced.
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It's the way you make your point. It's as empty, sensationalist and devoid of fact and reason as Solaris after a RESPECT rally.
Yes, we have an immigration problem. Yes, our politically correct society encourages honour killings and other retarded "customs" from the wonderful world of Islam to occur here.
But do you actually understand it, or do you just throw out talking points one after the other? Maybe you do understand the situation - but you certainly don't let anyone here know that.
 
Yeah, Samon, you just continue to be an ass. Your pathetic insults don't change anything.

RepiV, what I understand about your immigration system is that there are a lot of Pakistani and Indian Muslims/Hindu/whatever groups that have trouble integrating into your society, and as far as I've seen, you have major problems saying no when it's needed. Al Muhajiroun comes to mind, but on that issue, you are better than the Danes; We have not forbidden Hizb Ut Tahrir, and you have. We have a lot of Pakistanis here, too, but the majority are Arab or Turkish, so I don't think I can compare one anothers' problems, but I can definitely draw parallels.
 
You're all not saying anything coherent.
 
Nemesis6 said:
Yeah, Samon, you just continue to be an ass. Your pathetic insults don't change anything.
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I am in no way trying to insult or offend; you do enough for yourself without me throwing my penny in.

"Immigration is to blame." "Your immigration policies suck." "I know nothing of your immigration policies. I am merely spouting shite."
 
Well, don't they, Samon? Britain has the largest problem with this sort of thing, and as far as I know, they have no more immigrants than other typical European countries.
 
Nemesis6 said:
RepiV, what I understand about your immigration system is that there are a lot of Pakistani and Indian Muslims/Hindu/whatever groups that have trouble integrating into your society, and as far as I've seen, you have major problems saying no when it's needed. Al Muhajiroun comes to mind, but on that issue, you are better than the Danes; We have not forbidden Hizb Ut Tahrir, and you have. We have a lot of Pakistanis here, too, but the majority are Arab or Turkish, so I don't think I can compare one anothers' problems, but I can definitely draw parallels.
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Why can't you put that much thought into every post you make?
The point is not about whether you're right or wrong, it's that you seem to be more interested in scoring a goal for Right-wing United than actually making any sense of the real issues.

I don't feel that Hindus generally have problems integrating into our society. The first-generation immigrants from certain cultures of the subcontinent (particuarly the Tamils) tend to be very strict parents who try to forbid their children from living a normal Western life. My best friend at college nearly got kicked out of the house because her brother saw her with me - she's not supposed to socialise with boys (although the males of the family can do WTF ever they like, talk about a stupid setup). She was 18 at the time. She's 20 now and is still treated like a child when she's living at home.
This is evidently unacceptable, but at the same time there isn't a pervasive problem among the younger generations like with Islam. Hindus do better in education and in work than whites do - in a sense, they take what we've built as a society to heart more than we do ourselves.
To say there is no void between whites and Hindus is a lie, but it's more in the sense that the groups tend to form separately rather than any damaging rift. This tends to disappear gradually over the generations of immigration.
Fantastic group of people in my eyes.

And yes, we do have trouble saying no. That is our biggest problem.
 
Nemesis6 said:
Well, don't they, Samon? Britain has the largest problem with this sort of thing, and as far as I know, they have no more immigrants than other typical European countries.
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I completely disagree that this is a "large problem", but this thread is not the place for my opinion on immigration in Britain.
 
This would be much simpler if we could just all settle on "religious nutjobs are ****ed up".



Or blame it on the communists. Just think: "Everything bad in my country is because of socialism!" It makes everything so much simpler. Just try it, let go of your 'reasoning' and try out your new thought-narcotic.

(ignore above, please :p)

Immigration? Well, if you can't accomodate immigrants, don't bring them in! It's so simple!
 
Yes Solaris, honor killings are rare (but still all too common) but that's just the extremes of a larger problem: the intolerance of their culture. Families who adhere to a conservative Islam (or pretty much any non-secular Muslims) might not go as far as honor killing, but the view of "unsuitable partners" certainly exists with most of them. Just because no one dies doesn't mean this intolerance isn't there with those families or that the problem is small and incidental.
 
I think we should have more immigrants because we can, if we can give a sad and deprived family a better chance at life then I think we should. With better education systems, nationalized jobs and services and allowing all immigrants to work instead of holding back on work permits to appease the daily mail fear mongering.

Immigrants contribute a lot to this country, just look at the NHS. Granted, a clash of cultures can cause problems, but the elements that cause this are extremists, white nationalists cause trouble, Islamafacists cause trouble, but thankfully most people on this Island are moderate and respectful of other people. I have only in my life met one Asian or Muslim who was not extremely warm to me, there is an element of Islamic culture that means strangers are treated with the absolute respect and kindness, it's a wonderful change from the cold shoulder British people generally give each other.

Honor killing is horrific, but by integrating different people of different cultures in Britian we can all fight to stop it. Repriv likes to say Multiculturalism won't ever work but he is wrong. America has seen many waves on immigrants, 60years ago alot of Italians emigrated to America, they were inicitally met with prejudice but now have integrated and become part of American culture. Now days, what's more American than Pizza? Nothing, allowing other cultures to mix with others changes both forever and they merge and become better. We have alot to learn of other people, and through integration we can improve ourselves and our societies.
 
Solaris said:
I think we should have more immigrants because we can, if we can give a sad and deprived family a better chance at life then I think we should. With better education systems, nationalized jobs and services and allowing all immigrants to work instead of holding back on work permits to appease the daily mail fear mongering.

Immigrants contribute a lot to this country, just look at the NHS. Granted, a clash of cultures can cause problems, but the elements that cause this are extremists, white nationalists cause trouble, Islamafacists cause trouble, but thankfully most people on this Island are moderate and respectful of other people. I have only in my life met one Asian or Muslim who was not extremely warm to me, there is an element of Islamic culture that means strangers are treated with the absolute respect and kindness, it's a wonderful change from the cold shoulder British people generally give each other.

Honor killing is horrific, but by integrating different people of different cultures in Britian we can all fight to stop it. Repriv likes to say Multiculturalism won't ever work but he is wrong. America has seen many waves on immigrants, 60years ago alot of Italians emigrated to America, they were inicitally met with prejudice but now have integrated and become part of American culture. Now days, what's more American than Pizza? Nothing, allowing other cultures to mix with others changes both forever and they merge and become better. We have alot to learn of other people, and through integration we can improve ourselves and our societies.
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Hmm, I agree with this. Wholeheartedly.




Immigrants can work a whole lotta harder for less than half the money those union workers get.


However, I have one qualm about multiculturalism. What if it contributes to a less-nationalistic attitude of the citizenry, and therfore bring down some patriotism, and the sense of belonging of a country? It could cause some serious problems later on. There needs to be something that holds everyone together, and culture has been one of those things.
 
Solaris said:
I think we should have more immigrants because we can, if we can give a sad and deprived family a better chance at life then I think we should. With better education systems, nationalized jobs and services and allowing all immigrants to work instead of holding back on work permits to appease the daily mail fear mongering.
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Deciding important national policy on anything other than how it will benefit the nation is beyond moronic. Just like I said - warm fuzzy feelings and peace and love and shit.
We aren't a bloody charity and we aren't a communist country either, so you can put away your nationalised jobs and services too.

Immigrants contribute a lot to this country, just look at the NHS. Granted, a clash of cultures can cause problems, but the elements that cause this are extremists, white nationalists cause trouble, Islamafacists cause trouble, but thankfully most people on this Island are moderate and respectful of other people. I have only in my life met one Asian or Muslim who was not extremely warm to me, there is an element of Islamic culture that means strangers are treated with the absolute respect and kindness, it's a wonderful change from the cold shoulder British people generally give each other.
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Congratulations on completely missing the point.

Honor killing is horrific, but by integrating different people of different cultures in Britian we can all fight to stop it. Repriv likes to say Multiculturalism won't ever work but he is wrong. America has seen many waves on immigrants, 60years ago alot of Italians emigrated to America, they were inicitally met with prejudice but now have integrated and become part of American culture. Now days, what's more American than Pizza? Nothing, allowing other cultures to mix with others changes both forever and they merge and become better. We have alot to learn of other people, and through integration we can improve ourselves and our societies.
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How on earth can you sit there and preach about the awesomeness of multiculturalism when you don't even know what it is?

Multiculturalism means lots of disparate cultures occupying the same society, it's the complete opposite to integration. American society is not remotely multicultural, it's the complete opposite - they demand that immigrants assimilate into American culture.
Burnley is multiculturalism in a nutshell.
 
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