Batman: Arkham Asylum

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http://kotaku.com/5311606/[update]-eidos-once-again-attempting-to-mess-with-review-scores

Apparently eidos are trying to fix the reviews for this game and so far only 2 reviews have came out and they are glowing.

http://kotaku.com/5322813/uk-mags-exclusive-review-fits-alleged-eidos-conditions

The second is from a french magazine that I don't have a link to but it gave it 19/20

However on the other side of the fence these guys say it sucks (first 10 minutes of podcast):

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-67-invisible-walls/53328?type=flv

Well I can't say I'm going to be that surprised if it sucks :|
 
How the **** does 19/20 work? How the **** do you rate somethingfdgkidjnfggfdfsto20nwhfg that makes no what.
 
a 10 based system is the best to go by. also this batman game will be amazing at the $10 price point 1 year from now. There are just too many better games coming out to worry about
 
It's not unusual in my opinion, or particularly unethical, to do this sort of thing. Gaming publications can still wait until the embargo is over and give it a piss review--this is just a chance to generate some (granted, cheaply generated) buzz.

This only becomes a dishonest shitfest if reviewers themselves decide to artificially inflate the score and dedicate the cover to the game for the sales/cash instead of genuinely considering the game worthwhile. Eidos is under a particularly powerful microscope because of the Kane and Lynch fiasco, so every dumb little marketing gimmick they employ is being lambasted on Jim and Joe's gaming blog instantaneously.

It's the obligation of the gaming press to ignore this kind of rubbish, because history tells us large publishing corporations aren't simply going to give up because gaming blogs are souring the neckbeard population's attitude--especially when it seems they buy the game regardless, as long as it delivers and manages to be... you know... fun.
 
A lot of companies offer similar incentives. It's just Eidos has a bad track record of getting caught for it.
 
This only becomes a dishonest shitfest if reviewers themselves decide to artificially inflate the score and dedicate the cover to the game for the sales/cash instead of genuinely considering the game worthwhile.
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:p
 
Granted I've only watched a couple videos, but the gameplay looks abysmal to me. Swoop, swoop, swoop, swoop punch. Wash, rinse, repeat. I'll wait a month or two before forming any sort of concrete opinion though.
 
Batman on the Amiga was one of the best games of its time :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEPb57bOWe4

Old as the hills now, but awesome back then.


I'm not holding much hope for Arkham Asylum right now. The combat looks terribly Assassin's Creeded, I mean dumbed down ;)
 
Ive just read through scans of the Games Master mag which is 1 of (I think) 3 reviews currently out so far, all of which (again, I think) are from mags but I guess thats kind of expected with a week to go before release?

Anyway, theyve basically summed it up as a strong contender for game of the year, as well as best action game.

Theyve said that it can stand next to 'modern classics such as Resident Evil 4, Gears of War and Bioshock', as well as boldly comparing the intro to the brilliance and epicness of Half Life 2 and Bioshock's intros.

Bioshock is brought up alot it seems in all the reviews out so far, so thats not really a bad thing seeing as Bioshock was awesome. Apparently Arkham Asylum's detail and looks are very Bioshock-y.

Kind of a bold statement in this too; The Joker (Played by Mark Hamill - aka, Luke Skywalker) is 'the closest interpretation you could ever ask for, pushing Heath Ledger's aside (really? I doubt that, but I guess we'll find out?), and that 'In a game of standout moments, the Joker stands tall as arguably the greatest videogame villain of all time!'.

Personally, if the demo is anything to go by, then this game will certainly be great.

The challenge rooms, adding an almost Soul Calibur Tower system where each room gets harder and harder as your progress, looks to add some serious replay value.

Ive suddenly got pretty hyped up. Ill probably wait till the video reviews are out, but it looks like we finally have a decent film adaptation.
 
You had to walk through bad guys and sit on yellow batarangs? :LOL:
 
Dynasty said:
Kind of a bold statement in this too; The Joker (Played by Mark Hamill - aka, Luke Skywalker) is 'the closest interpretation you could ever ask for, pushing Heath Ledger's aside (really? I doubt that, but I guess we'll find out?), and that 'In a game of standout moments, the Joker stands tall as arguably the greatest videogame villain of all time!'.
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I do hope that is not serious. What truly wanton journalism we have here if it is - a profoundly ignorant, absurd statement, and in appalling, open distaste of Ledger's fine accomplishments. From what I have seen and played of the game, Hamill's Joker just walked out of TAS, and for the worse: a thoroughly plain, uninspired interpretation of the character. The very idea of Batman: Arkham Asylum coming close to what Nolan and Ledger achieved in The Dark Knight is simply outrageous and it is offensive to even read it in print.

If the demo is indeed anything to go by, then this game will be shit.
 
Ledger's Joker is NOT the real joker. Have you guys even read any Batman comics?

Did he do an excellent job? Yes. Was he the joker as he is known in the comics? Not even close.

It baffles me to see people take what is obviously a classic Batman game based on the comic universe, and judge it based on the movie. This is not a movie tie-in game.

PS: Hamil has been the joker in almost every Batman comic series. He IS the Joker when it comes to his animated voice.
 
Rico said:
Ledger's Joker is NOT the real joker. Have you guys even read any Batman comics?

Did he do an excellent job? Yes. Was he the joker as he is known in the comics? Not even close.
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How do you even define in the comics, when he is re-interpreted per writer, per novel- what The Joker is, and what he represents, is truly realised in The Dark Knight. I am also judging Arkham Ayslum on what I played Conclusion-Boots. What I played sucked.
 
I thought the demo was ok. It's seems a solid action/adventure, if a little uninspired and too easy. My main concern is the swinging about and taking bad guys down one by one will get repetitive.
 
This game was never intended to be based off the movies anyway.

The devs said from the getgo their inspiration was from the comics, and the comics only.

And personally, Mark Hamill will always be THE joker for me, because of the cartoon series.:)

Samon, just when I'm about to offer you my rose, you give me another reason to reject you.:(
 
Hamil is regarded by many fans of Batman, those whose experience spans the comics, animated series and films, to be the best version of the Joker. He does an amazing job as the Joker from what I've seen in the demo alone.
Hamil was the Joker long before Ledger, and his performance in the game has stayed true to his other performances in his animated appearances, but is played much darker.

This game is based on the 70 years of comic history NOT The Dark Knight.
 
I have yet to see anybody claim that this game is based off of the Dark Knight.
 
Your reading comprehension is dire, people; please, read what is being said, and try and extract the true meaning before initiating such ignorant replies. Comments such as "Yeah but it's not based off the movies" are in reply to what, exactly? My post? I shouldn't think so: I never once stated it was, nor that it should be. What I do expect from any interpretation of the Batman mythos is the skill, competence, and vision to take what is extractable - meaning, themes, characterisation, et al - and interpret and present that accordingly; preferably more refined and transcendent of a 70-year comic-book history. Because that is exactly what The Dark Knight did. It, too, is based on that 70-year run, and it interpreted that with suave intellectual affection. I say this as a long running fan of Batman, and I would consider myself more than an aficionado of the novels and comics. What I saw in The Dark Knight was not The Joker copy and pasted from one of his many interpretations over the years, but a cohesion and admirable interpretation of the themes and traits the character possesses.

I have played the demo of Arkham Ayslum, and it is simply not that good. I have never disliked Hamill's Joker - he was acceptable in TAS (voice, demeanour), but I would not consider it the ultimate realisation of the character. Nolan and Ledger came closer. Men of astute intellect and true talent. From what I played of this new game the same can't be said of its developers. The art direction is tacky, often repulsive, and embracing of the more cornier elements of the series (take a look at Bane, for example - and before you cry "YOU DIDN'T READ THE COMICS YOU IGNORANT BASTARD", I point you to Knightfall... ignorant bastards). Then of course there is the formulaic gameplay, but that's quite outside the problem of a poor interpretation of Batman and more a problem of, well, poor game design, which this game is ripe with! But, I addressed that in my thoughts on the demo, which, for those so inclined and it's obviously going to be all of you, you can read here:

Ooo, err, ahh, eee. I do not quite know how to feel about this game. I simply do not know how to feel about it. Ooo, errr. First and foremost, Zombieturtle is absolutely right: the art design is detestable. Joker is a fusion of the typical TAS palette and Ledger's discomposed psychopath. It doesn't work. The protrusion of his chin is ridiculous and the hair (no pun intended) laughable. He is a silly punk. Joker is absurd in appearance, yes, but there must be semblance of a man behind the flamboyance. This Joker is deformed in physical appearance, and I do not like it, and nor do I like him staggering around alongside Hulk 'Batman' Hogan in an Arkham all too science fiction for my taste. You do not **** up lunatic asylums, and more importantly, you do not - under any circumstance - **** up Arkham Asylum. In my very important and highly regarded opinion, they have, and Pandora's box has been unleashed. Ooo, err, ahh.

But you know, it's Batman! BATMAN. I have no qualms admitting to my joy of commandeering the Dark Knight. Aside from artistic direction, the game does look good, and it's all rather smooth. Too smooth, actually. The combat, dominated by slow motion silliness, is neither demanding nor taxing. It's formulaic and simple. But it's still Batman, and I am enjoying that, and with that, I will be playing the full game on release, even when I'm faced with a slew of self-indulgent nods (more like head-butts) to Batman's relationship to Joker. "How do you know?" Asks the lovely Barbara Gordon. "Because I know him." Intones Kevin Conroy. Roll. Eyes.
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Okay, well, returning to my original point, and the source of all this contention: it is a disgrace to disregard Ledger's accomplishments in the wake of a mediocre game, and to cite Luke Skywalker as not only better (snort), but one of the finest videogame villains ever. How outrageously offensive. Disagree with me? You're a tasteless, ignorant bastard! Ooo, errr, ahhh!

stemot said:
Hamil was the Joker long before Ledger.
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Yes, thank you Stemot, because that has everything to do with everything.
 
Who is disregarding Ledger's accomplishments? Both you and the others keep responding and posting arguments in rebuttal against things neither side said. Some people didn't think Ledgers interpretation as was true to the idea that was culminated over all the previous versions. You think it was. So what. You are both right.
 
Samon said:
Ooo, err, ahh, eee. I do not quite know how to feel about this game. I simply do not know how to feel about it. Ooo, errr. First and foremost, Zombieturtle is absolutely right: the art design is detestable. Joker is a fusion of the typical TAS palette and Ledger's discomposed psychopath. It doesn't work. The protrusion of his chin is ridiculous and the hair (no pun intended) laughable. He is a silly punk. Joker is absurd in appearance, yes, but there must be semblance of a man behind the flamboyance. This Joker is deformed in physical appearance, and I do not like it, and nor do I like him staggering around alongside Hulk 'Batman' Hogan in an Arkham all too science fiction for my taste. You do not **** up lunatic asylums, and more importantly, you do not - under any circumstance - **** up Arkham Asylum. In my very important and highly regarded opinion, they have, and Pandora's box has been unleashed. Ooo, err, ahh.

But you know, it's Batman! BATMAN. I have no qualms admitting to my joy of commandeering the Dark Knight. Aside from artistic direction, the game does look good, and it's all rather smooth. Too smooth, actually. The combat, dominated by slow motion silliness, is neither demanding nor taxing. It's formulaic and simple. But it's still Batman, and I am enjoying that, and with that, I will be playing the full game on release, even when I'm faced with a slew of self-indulgent nods (more like head-butts) to Batman's relationship to Joker. "How do you know?" Asks the lovely Barbara Gordon. "Because I know him." Intones Kevin Conroy. Roll. Eyes.
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It didn't sound like you hated it completely at first o_O
 
Eidos is really, really nasty. How the f did they manage to make IGN give TR Underworld a 8? It's one of the most broken and buggy games released in the past few years.
 
Dinnesch said:
Eidos is really, really nasty. How the f did they manage to make IGN give TR Underworld a 8? It's one of the most broken and buggy games released in the past few years.
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The **** are you talking about?
 
Lucid said:
The **** are you talking about?
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He thinks Eidos must have coerced IGN into giving Tomb Raider: Underworld a good review, because it's such a buggy and broken game.
 
Tomb Raider Underworld was fantastic and deserves every ounce of praise it gets. :|
 
Never played it so I don't know. Never much of a Lara Croft fan.
 
Samon said:
Game Informer.
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What? I wasnt really reading the thread, I kinda just skimmed through it all. I guess I missed something about Game Informer?


And Tomb Raider: Anniversary wasnt buggy at all for me.
 
Samon said:
Yes, thank you Stemot, because that has everything to do with everything.
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Of course when you only quote that line it doesn't.

What I meant with the rest of that line is that he has been appearing as the Joker for many years and many fans consider him to be what the joker should be. Sure, Heath came along and gave an amazing performance in a film that tries to ground itself in reality as much as it can, Hamil is a joker from a Batman universe where the writers are not quite so concerned with this and so he can play the part very differently. He is a firm fan favourite so why not use him and his style of Joker for the game if he is a popular choice for the fans?

Both actors have given fantastic performances as versions of the Joker. They simply used the one that has done this many times and has a lot of fan support rather than get in a new actor trying to ape Ledgers performance who doesn't have Hamils experience with the character.
Also, the game was well into development and Hamil had already recorded his lines before TDK had even been released, so up till that point Hamil was the definitive Joker.
 
Is it just me or is Samon starting to sound like a 60 year old man sitting and talking about how everything's bad these days and yadayadayada?

Soon he'll be hitting the newcomers to the forum with his cool-ass walking-stick and call them whippersnappers.
 
Samon's tastes are simply more sophisticated than those of the general forum crowd.

As for Joker, personally, I've never been much of a Batman fan (except for Batman Beyond) and Joker (before The Dark Knight) always struck me as a shallow, one dimensional character, an archetypal crazy clown without much meaning to him.

In fact, I appreciate Ledger for the fact that his Joker was a truly perverse psychopatic murderer, rather than a nut with makeup.
 
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