Bay: "I need to do something without explosions."

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According to a report on WENN.com (reported on IMDB), Bay feels that with forthcoming sequel Revenge of the Fallen, he has taken the series as far as he can.

"After the three-and-a-half years I've spent making these movies, I feel like I've had enough of the Transformers world," he explained. "I need to do something totally divergent, something without any explosions."
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http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/996/996050p1.html

And in a sly dig at journalists, Bay added: "It's easy to go shoot an art movie in a winery in the South of France. But people have no idea how hard it is to create something like Transformers. They [the critics] review me before they've even seen the movie."
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I don't think anyone is denying there is a certain degree of work to be put into a movie such as Transformers, but that is not at all a scale on which to rate it. It needs more of an intellectual push to make something without explosions. Are you sure you're cut out for it?
 
Surely it's not that difficult to not have explosions. I've worked on three films (planning the forth) and while making them we've managed to not have any!
 
Samon said:
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/996/996050p1.html



I don't think anyone is denying there is a certain degree of work to be put into a movie such as Transformers, but that is not at all a scale on which to rate it. It needs more of an intellectual push to make something without explosions. Are you sure you're cut out for it?
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there's a ton of work that goes into transformers movies; picking products to shill, how to best place the products that need to be shilled, how long the camera should stay on the product whilst in the midst of shilling ..oh and robots (hands script over to CGI dept)
 
Bay's called it quits on the Transformers franchise twice before, so I don't know if he actually means to leave the series altogether or if he's just taking a break to do something non-explodey.

Someone better come back to do that third film though, because I need to see Unicron realized in the live action continuity.
 
you see...in non action movies you actually need something good to make it interesting otherwise they're just crap. so don't worry, he's gonna fail

but on the other had...if he goes into the horror genre, it could be a potential problem. making shitty action ****fest zombie movies.
 
His next film is going to be set at the bottom of the ocean floor. It will have implosions instead.
 
this should be funny, he'll have to rely on a good script and emotional tension rather than action and CG... not a chance
 
Bay's working on a Briadway musical based on Arrmageddon

"luke be a jedi toooooniiiight
Just be a Jedi toooniiight!

Do it for Yoda,
While we serve our guests a soda.

Uh, and do it for Chewie and the Ewoks,
and all the other puppets ...
 
Samon said:
http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/996/996050p1.html



I don't think anyone is denying there is a certain degree of work to be put into a movie such as Transformers, but that is not at all a scale on which to rate it. It needs more of an intellectual push to make something without explosions. Are you sure you're cut out for it?
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He was joking, media these days.

All I need to know is Transformers: ROTF is going to be the movie of the year, and most anticipated.

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LOL, even though I like Michael Bay's movies, that video is ****ing hilarious.
 
I give it a week before he says he wasn't serious >_>
 
AHA-Lambda said:
I give it a week before he says he wasn't serious >_>
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Michael Bay commented and already said that quote was miscontrued (sp?), he just wants a break/vacation for a while. I believe the next movie is planned for a 2012 release.
 
...and features 44% more explosions.


Possible Michael Bay Vacation destinations:

- Mt St Helens
- the lovely and scenic stretch of highways leading to Bagdhad
- Alderan
 
Yeah, see, I figured he wasn't quitting.

Come onnnnnnnn, Unicron in the third movie! Think of it, Bay! A PLANET-SIZED EXPLOSION. How can you resist?!
 
Samon said:
I don't think anyone is denying there is a certain degree of work to be put into a movie such as Transformers, but that is not at all a scale on which to rate it. It needs more of an intellectual push to make something without explosions. Are you sure you're cut out for it?
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That's not true at all. Most people assume that action movies require less thought to be put into them when it comes to directing, but that's completely false. It takes one hell of an effort to make a good action movie compared to making a good drama. Usually if a director can make a good action film (which Bay cannot), they can usually move from that genre into any other without a problem.

Some examples of this are people like Steven Spielberg, James Cameron, John McTiernan, Gore Verbinski and to a very, very loose extent, early George Lucas.

Directing action films is an entirely different ball park compared to drama, as there aren't anywhere near as many good action films as there are good drama's.
 
Sparta said:
That's not true at all. Most people assume that action movies require less thought to be put into them when it comes to directing, but that's completely false. It takes one hell of an effort to make a good action movie compared to making a good drama. Usually if a director can make a good action film (which Bay cannot), they can usually move from that genre into any other without a problem.
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President Barrack Obama disagrees:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfT7...e07b2e711670-528.html&feature=player_embedded

I guess his opinion isn't worth shit, amirite? :rolleyes:
 
Sparta said:
That's not true at all. Most people assume that action movies require less thought to be put into them when it comes to directing, but that's completely false. It takes one hell of an effort to make a good action movie compared to making a good drama. Usually if a director can make a good action film (which Bay cannot), they can usually move from that genre into any other without a problem.

Some examples of this are people like Steven Spielberg, James Cameron, John McTiernan, Gore Verbinski and to a very, very loose extent, early George Lucas.

Directing action films is an entirely different ball park compared to drama, as there aren't anywhere near as many good action films as there are good drama's.
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This. Action movies require a lot more involvement of the director and every shot needs the utmost concentration in order to convey the action in a readable and exciting way. Drama movies rely on a well written script, which is made by writers and not the director. The director pretty much just has to come up with ways to film people talking at a diner or something.

That said, Michael Bay films are "meh" at best.
 
Bacons said:
I guess his opinion isn't worth shit, amirite? :rolleyes:
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You've got me. One man's opinion clearly validates his talent to the entire world and disproves all of his critics, amirite? :rolleyes:

See what I did there? See how that contributed absolutely nothing to the discussion? That's what you were you doing. That's how annoying it is. I don't mean to be a dick but if you want to be a smart ass, I'm gonna be one back at you and this will go nowhere.

Krynn72 said:
This. Action movies require a lot more involvement of the director and every shot needs the utmost concentration in order to convey the action in a readable and exciting way. Drama movies rely on a well written script, which is made by writers and not the director. The director pretty much just has to come up with ways to film people talking at a diner or something.
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I'm not saying there's more to action movies than drama's, but people assume since action movies are made to appeal to the lowest common denominator they must be easy to make. They can be just as hard to make as a drama.

For one thing, action movies are all about shot coverage and editing. This means they'll spend more money shooting more shots than your average drama and because of that spend more time in editing. Not to mention the enormous amount of foley work that action movies have to accomplish.

Drama's on the other hand will spend a lot more time focusing on the conflict and the subtext behind the scenes of the film. Where as action movies don't need to spend as much time working out the subtext behind the scene where the good guy shoots the bad guy in the face.

Anyone can make a film. Only about 10% or less of those who try, can make a film well. Bay is not one of them. He's just successful.
 
Sparta said:
You've got me. One man's opinion clearly validates his talent to the entire world and disproves all of his critics, amirite? :rolleyes:
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But... but I thought the great Barrack Obama was everyones favorite person, idol and the face of the new world, not to mention very smart and intelligent! I guess not! LOL

As for Michael Bay and the thread, people ofcourse will have their own personal critical opinion of his work. Some may call his work "mindless action/splosion' cliche" but there are many people out there that enjoy his movies, there is no denying that they are entertaining and thats why we go to the movies right? To be entertained? In my opinion, I go to theatres to be entertained, not to analyze something. I don't want to hear about someone elses life story, life is too boring and depressing for that. Like I said, many people like Michael Bay's movies, believe it or not, and he works as hard at his own craft as anyone in Hollywood. Maybe I'm a little biased because I perfer action movies (Transporter 1, the Protector, Kill Bill v1, etc.), over drama.

See what I did there? I actually brought some facts to this discussion, which I have yet to see.
 
Bacons said:
But... but I thought the great Barrack Obama was everyones favorite person, idol and the face of the new world, not to mention very smart and intelligent! I guess not! LOL
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You sir, are a moron.

Also, you didnt bring facts to shit. Everything you just said there was a generalization, assumption, or opinion.
 
Bacons said:
But... but I thought the great Barrack Obama was everyones favorite person, idol and the face of the new world, not to mention very smart and intelligent! I guess not! LOL

As for Michael Bay and the thread, people ofcourse will have their own personal critical opinion of his work. Some may call his work "mindless action/splosion' cliche" but there are many people out there that enjoy his movies, there is no denying that they are entertaining and thats why we go to the movies right? To be entertained? In my opinion, I go to theatres to be entertained, not to analyze something. I don't want to hear about someone elses life story, life is too boring and depressing for that. Like I said, many people like Michael Bay's movies, believe it or not, and he works as hard at his own craft as anyone in Hollywood. Maybe I'm a little biased because I perfer action movies (Transporter 1, the Protector, Kill Bill v1, etc.), over drama.

See what I did there? I actually brought some facts to this discussion, which I have yet to see.
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The only fact in that entire paragraph is that people go to the movies to be entertained. Besides that, everything else you have said is opinion and totally subjective. For example, I don't find many Michael Bay films entertaining. In my opinion most of them are shit and miss the point of being action adventures by becoming incredibly melodramatic. What I find entertaining, and what you find entertaining, is completely subjective. You find The Protector entertaining, I prefer Ong Bak. Neither of us is more right or wrong than the other.

As for the Obama thing, just because there's a lot of hero worship for Obama doesn't mean his opinion matters more than everyone else's. Even if it's a sarcastic dig and you're dissing him, how did bringing that up in the first place counter my point any more than you telling me you disagree? It didn't. At all.

This has become too serious a discussion for a Michael Bay thread.
 
Bacons said:
As for Michael Bay and the thread, people ofcourse will have their own personal critical opinion of his work. Some may call his work "mindless action/splosion' cliche" but there are many people out there that enjoy his movies, there is no denying that they are entertaining and thats why we go to the movies right? To be entertained? In my opinion, I go to theatres to be entertained, not to analyze something. I don't want to hear about someone elses life story, life is too boring and depressing for that. Like I said, many people like Michael Bay's movies, believe it or not, and he works as hard at his own craft as anyone in Hollywood. Maybe I'm a little biased because I perfer action movies (Transporter 1, the Protector, Kill Bill v1, etc.), over drama.

See what I did there? I actually brought some facts to this discussion, which I have yet to see.
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You haven't presented any facts. You have merely generalised and assumed, and put forward a rather baseless opinion - the flaws in what you have stated are practically running through the street naked; I need not point them out. I have, however, coated significant points of ridicule in bold.
 
Krynn72 said:
You sir, are a moron.

Also, you didnt bring facts to shit. Everything you just said there was a generalization, assumption, or opinion.
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Color blind much? Many people enjoy some of Michael Bay's movies, that Bay works hard at his craft as well as anyone and that Michael Bay will be directing Transformers 3

Sparta said:
The only fact in that entire paragraph is that people go to the movies to be entertained. Besides that, everything else you have said is opinion and totally subjective.
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Read my above sentiment.

how did bringing that up in the first place counter my point any more than you telling me you disagree? It didn't. At all.
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My point was that saying Michael Bay's movies are 'shit' is saying that is factual and has tone to it, so there is some flaws here (which usually gets thrown around alot). So I pointed some one who is known to point out the facts and let the people know, such as the Mr. President Obama.



Samon said:
You haven't presented any facts. You have merely generalised and assumed, and put forward a rather baseless opinion - the flaws in what you have stated are practically running through the street naked; I need not point them out. I have, however, coated significant points of ridicule in bold.
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Bold #1 and #2: Many people do indeed find some of Michael Bay's films entertaining, believe it or not.

Bold #3: That one is part of my opinion, so not factual.

Perhaps I was a little too vague, and I mixed my points with the opinions.
 
Bacons said:
Color blind much? Many people enjoy some of Michael Bay's movies, that Bay works hard at his craft as well as anyone and that Michael Bay will be directing Transformers 3

Read my above sentiment.

My point was that saying Michael Bay's movies are 'shit' is saying that is factual and has tone to it, so there is some flaws here (which usually gets thrown around alot). So I pointed some one who is known to point out the facts and let the people know, such as the Mr. President Obama.
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In the posts after mine, you never pointed out he was directing Transformers 3.

The only thing you've actually been able to point out successfully here is that you did indeed say that many people enjoy Michael Bay films and this is a fact. That's true, i'll give you that, but thats about it. Everything else was already pointed out by other people in the thread (namely me or the OP) and again, bringing up Obama does dick all to prove Bay's worth as a director other than sharing Obama's opinion on him. And again, What I think and what you think is subjective, so if I say Michael Bay can't make good action films and you say he can, it doesn't make you more right than me.

The reason I say he makes bad action films is because from a filmmaking point of view, his direction and editing is terrible. He jumps the 180 line far too often, he has too much coverage and he edits far too fast. It all adds up to make a disorienting and unsatisfying experience. Also, his work is often melodramatic, with characters over-emoting for the sake of drama. These are all pretty common criticisms against him and I, as well as many other movie-goers and filmmakers, think he sucks.
 
Bacons said:
Color blind much? Many people enjoy some of Michael Bay's movies, that Bay works hard at his craft as well as anyone and that Michael Bay will be directing Transformers 3
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Firstly, Everyone here already knows Michael Bay movies are watched by millions. You didnt "bring the fact" because everyone knew about it already. Secondly, we have already established that an action director must work hard at his job, so again, you're too little too late with that fact. And your third link has both been known since several posts before yours, and has nothing to do at all with your post that I was responding to.

Also,


My point was that saying Michael Bay's movies are 'shit' is saying that is factual and has tone to it, so there is some flaws here (which usually gets thrown around alot).
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I really, really hope English isn't your primary language. Because this sentence is just the worst thing I have read in months.
 
I'd rather have a really good director do nothing but explosions, a really good director do nothing but make me cry, a really good director do nothing but make me laugh, etc. its fine by me because if i want to watch something else its as easy as flicking a switch these days. but for a director to change his tendencies may be a big risk.
 
Tell that to Spielberg. He made Jurassic Park and Schindler's List in the same year.
You'll find other less noteable examples if you look.
 
Eejit said:
Tell that to Spielberg. He made Jurassic Park and Schindler's List in the same year.
You'll find other less noteable examples if you look.
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I'm just saying if someone is really good at what they do they shouldn't have to stop. they all ready have the audience they need. but whatever floats your boat these days. no one is happy where they're at anymore. singers now star in movies, athletes make albums, hillbillies/cokeheads become president
 
Changing from doing the same job in one genre to another is hardly the same as athletes making albums.
 
Warped said:
I'd rather have a really good director do nothing but explosions, a really good director do nothing but make me cry, a really good director do nothing but make me laugh, etc. its fine by me because if i want to watch something else its as easy as flicking a switch these days. but for a director to change his tendencies may be a big risk.
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I disagree. I think what makes a really good director is a director who can change genres without affecting the quality of their work. If you can direct action well and go on to directing drama well, you're pretty good at what you do. I think it's natural for directors, actors and musicians to seek out other genre's or forms they want to explore, as I don't believe creativity should be about doing what you do best but rather doing what you want to do.
 
Sparta said:
I disagree. I think what makes a really good director is a director who can change genres without affecting the quality of their work. If you can direct action well and go on to directing drama well, you're pretty good at what you do. I think it's natural for directors, actors and musicians to seek out other genre's or forms they want to explore, as I don't believe creativity should be about doing what you do best but rather doing what you want to do.
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Unless, of course, you're Joaquin Phoenix.
 
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