BBC: The Insurgency

[Razor]

On tomorrow on BBC2, i think, is a program called Insurgency. It's journalists who have been embeded with the US and British forces and also journalists who have spoken to and interviewed members of the Insurgency and got video footage from them. As it's the BBC, it should be very down the middle and unbiased so it should be a great program.

I won't be able to see it though as i'll be out, can someone upload it to the internet, not sendspace please, and let me and everyone else download it?

 

[Sulkdodds]

Should be int'resting. :O

 

[gick]

Ooooh this'll be good. I bet loads of dumbasses are going to start moaning about the Beeb being 'terrorist apologists' though...

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Ooooh this'll be good. I bet loads of dumbasses are going to start moaning about the Beeb being 'terrorist apologists' though...

I've already seen something similiar to this, and considering what I know about the Insurgents already, this won't be anything too new.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

Let's see if it doesn't watch something like this piece of shit
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2149851807860378880&q=resistance2&pl=true

This video enrages me so much. The ****ing green card section especially. The poor marine's uniform shred they purport to be one, I think people should look up these things for themselves.

http://www.militarycity.com/valor/328767.html

 

[DeusExMachina]

Let's see if it doesn't watch something like this piece of shit
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2149851807860378880&q=resistance2&pl=true

They had some good points until he delved into "Zionists" and "taking over the world" bullshit we always hear :dozey:

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Yea ... the one I posted actually is a very nuetral look into both the occupation and the forces fighting them. They even acknowledge all of the attrocities to be wrong, and that personally, is what I like from a news source. Non qualitive, non emotional, non political grudge reports on events around the world.

 

[Rupertvdb]

I'm waiting for the program to hit, it will be the first thing i've seen that deals with the Iraqi insurgency first hand so I am awaiting an education.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

A great way to educate yourself would be to visit ogrish.com to see their warcrimes against Iraqis and the Coalition, aswell as Western Hostages.

 

[Rupertvdb]

I want to learn about the motives behind insurgency members, not watch people get blown up/hacked apart/shot to bits. It's not that I want to ignore that these things happen, but watching them- it's not that good for retaining an objective perspective, or that good for the soul.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

I want to learn about the motives behind insurgency members, not watch people get blown up/hacked apart/shot to bits. It's not that I want to ignore that these things happen, but watching them- it's not that good for retaining an objective perspective, or that good for the soul.

It tends to put things into perspective.

 

[Razor]

Absolutely great episode and was very neutral and didn't take sides, it was also very honest as well which was great.

 

[gick]

Yeah, very well made indeed.

I thought it was interesting that the Insurgency started out as being dominated by ex-army, pro-saddam baathists, whos aim was to fight the 'occupiers'. Then they ran out of money, and were eventually overwhelmed by foreign religious extremeists, who's only aim was to create chaos - this involved targeting civilians.

And did you see the size of those carbombs at the start? :O I'm glad i'm not in Iraq.

 

[jimbo118]

Yeah, very well made indeed.

I thought it was interesting that the Insurgency started out as being dominated by ex-army, pro-saddam baathists, whos aim was to fight the 'occupiers'. Then they ran out of money, and were eventually overwhelmed by foreign religious extremeists, who's only aim was to create chaos - this involved targeting civilians.

And did you see the size of those carbombs at the start? :O I'm glad i'm not in Iraq.

yeah it was good, the scream of that american hostage(i think he was the first American executed in Iraq, Nick Berg) as those insurgents held him to the floor before he was killed and the screen fading to black will stay with me for awhile :|

 

[Rupertvdb]

yeah it was good, the scream of that american hostage(i think he was the first American executed in Iraq, Nick Berg) as those insurgents held him to the floor before he was killed and the screen fading to black will stay with me for awhile :|

Agreed, that bit made me winch, as did the execution of those five policemen. Kind of made me want to do what all the insurgents are doing, but for the Coalition side. Then I came to my senses.

Michael Ware is an awesome journalist with huge balls of steel. Going to al-Zarqawi's area was an insane thing to do. I'm amazed anyone could have talked their way out of there with him. I love reading Time magazine and i'm going to have that little bit more respect after seeing the programme.

 

[gick]

yeah it was good, the scream of that american hostage(i think he was the first American executed in Iraq, Nick Berg) as those insurgents held him to the floor before he was killed and the screen fading to black will stay with me for awhile :|

I felt kinda sick after that. Twas not nice.

And yes, Michael Ware has balls the size of Switzerland.

 

[jimbo118]

Agreed, that bit made me winch, as did the execution of those five policemen. Kind of made me want to do what all the insurgents are doing, but for the Coalition side. Then I came to my senses.

Michael Ware is an awesome journalist with huge balls of steel. Going to al-Zarqawi's area was an insane thing to do. I'm amazed anyone could have talked their way out of there with him. I love reading Time magazine and i'm going to have that little bit more respect after seeing the programme.

idd that was surprising i thought, how Zarqawi basically had control over that whole area, his flags lining the main street, remember when Ware's car was attacked by that bloke with the nade, fukin hell, dangerous place to say the least

the interviews with the US commanders and that iraqi army commander i thought were interesting, the coalition has control over 70% of Iraq but that if they left Iraq would basically disappear from the map, it ended with a rather chilling, foreboding image of that young child saying ''Allah Akbar!'' to the camera with an rpg under his arm :|

 

[el Chi]

As it's the BBC, it should be very down the middle and unbiased so it should be a great program.

I remember having this argument with this guy who claimed that the BBC was hugely lefty-red. Except he was a Tory boy, so who cares what he thinks.

On-topic: This sounds intriguing.

 

[Razor]

Agreed, that bit made me winch, as did the execution of those five policemen. Kind of made me want to do what all the insurgents are doing, but for the Coalition side. Then I came to my senses.

Michael Ware is an awesome journalist with huge balls of steel. Going to al-Zarqawi's area was an insane thing to do. I'm amazed anyone could have talked their way out of there with him. I love reading Time magazine and i'm going to have that little bit more respect after seeing the programme.

I think he said that he knew and had interviewed a number of the main Baathist members and that when he was captured, one of the Baathist people got him out.

But some of the things i witnessed and videod must of been very hard for him not to put the camera down and try to stop, like the 3 guys firing mortars.

 

[gick]

But some of the things i witnessed and videod must of been very hard for him not to put the camera down and try to stop, like the 3 guys firing mortars.

What suprised me about that part was the way that people walking past just weren't giving them a second glance.

And that bald American guy at the end had the right idea (hearts and minds FTW)