Bin Laden may be cought

[Dag]

Well, if we weren't wasting all our troops in Iraq...

Has anyone ever read the book, Not a Good Day to Die? Its a book about operation Anaconda, where the military tried capture/kill a large amount of very influencial terrorist leaders (Al Qaida) in the Shakitot valley. Good book. But in the begining they talk about how thier satallites picked up a large number of fires in a not very used pass at high altitudes. Many ranking officers pushed to have this sight bombed, as they suspected that these fires were warming a thousand or more hardened Al-Qaida troops as they made thier way into Pakistan. But the top Brass of the military came to the conclusion that it was a gathering of Sheep herders at High-Altitude in the middle of a harsh winter. Go figure. :hmph:

 

[CptStern]

Has anyone ever read the book, Not a Good Day to Die? Its a book about operation Anaconda, where the military tried capture/kill a large amount of very influencial terrorist leaders (Al Qaida) in the Shakitot valley. Good book. But in the begining they talk about how thier satallites picked up a large number of fires in a not very used pass at high altitudes. Many ranking officers pushed to have this sight bombed, as they suspected that these fires were warming a thousand or more hardened Al-Qaida troops as they made thier way into Pakistan. But the top Brass of the military came to the conclusion that it was a gathering of Sheep herders at High-Altitude in the middle of a harsh winter. Go figure. :hmph:

but what if they were sheep herders? the distinction would be lost on them

 

[Dag]

But why would sheep herders stray so far from thier fields, cross over an uninhabitable valley, climb so far up the mountain, and all of this in the middle of winter. And why would they be straying so far from thier fields to go to rocky ridges? Don't sheep need grass? Sheep would have a hard time finding food on top of a snow covered mountain. And then bring thier sheep into Pakistan following the route of so many terrorists? Only to disappear over the pass? Seems like Sheep herders have changed thier ways, wouldn't you say? And why would thousands of herders be doing this at the same time? Don't they want to keep thier sheep seperate?

 

[Absinthe]

It's worked before -- so since you have a better idea on what works, get on that satellite imagery, command those troops, and you get Bin Laden.

No, "heh, I would do a better job", it's, "Now's your shot -- now do it."

Heck, get off and away from your computer desk and find him for us. My bets on a closet somewhere in Pakistan.

This is like asking a man with no hands to snap his fingers.

I do not have the means to do such a thing, so take your patronizing tone back to wherever it is you hibernated during your absence from this place.

 

[CptStern]

But why would sheep herders stray so far from thier fields, cross over an uninhabitable valley, climb so far up the mountain, and all of this in the middle of winter. And why would they be straying so far from thier fields to go to rocky ridges? Don't sheep need grass? Sheep would have a hard time finding food on top of a snow covered mountain. And then bring thier sheep into Pakistan following the route of so many terrorists? Only to disappear over the pass? Seems like Sheep herders have changed thier ways, wouldn't you say? And why would thousands of herders be doing this at the same time? Don't they want to keep thier sheep seperate?

for the same reasons that 7000 iraqi civilians died during the invasion ....wrong place at the wrong time

not to mention ongoing incidents of friendly fire

 

[Dag]

for the same reasons that 7000 iraqi civilians died during the invasion ....wrong place at the wrong time

not to mention ongoing incidents of friendly fire

But if it really was sheepherders, if they took that pass, they were condeming thier sheep to death. And if they weren't bringing thier sheep, what were they doing gathered up there anyway? A journey like that would take supplies and time a regular sheepherder doesn't have. This is a valley that hasn't seen another living human since the Soviets came in. And all of a sudden all the sheepherders in the valley (Actually, that would be most of the population.) leave the valley for no reason at all to go sit on a mountain and sing songs around a fire in a mountain range bordering the Pakistani border?

 

[CptStern]

you dont know that ..they could have got lost ..it could have been goat herders, people traveling thru or any number of possibilities ...it obviously happens because there's many cases of civilians being killed in error

 

[Dag]

But one thousand goat herders? Suddenly passing through a pass where no human has travelled since the Soviets came in? And breaking traditions by leaving thier life-long homes for no other reason than to follow a terrorist route funneling into Pakistan?

 

[CptStern]

how did they know it was a thousand?

 

[Dag]

Military analysts were able to distinguish 3,000 tiny spots of heat, closely grouped in about a 5 mile radius. These tiney spots of heat turned out to be fires. These fires were found in a mountain range between the border of Shahikot and the Pakistani border.

 

[CptStern]

if they made that positive of an ID why didnt they attack? ......but if it turned out that it wasnt al qaeda ...you'd have an international incident on your hands ...more innocent blood spilled ...better be 110% sure

 

[Dag]

But if it isn't, you now have hardcore extremists who are armed with god knows what, and could cause more than 3,000 deaths. I mean, they didn't even send a recon unit or plane to look at them.

 

[CptStern]

better to be sure than sorry

 

[Dag]

But why not send out a plane? If it was goat herders, they wouldn't have weapons, right? And if your sure it was 3,000 terrorists, now you've got a bigger problem on your hands, because they are scattered all over Pakistan, and hidden, with weapons that could cause mass chaos. And now they can begin recruiting.

 

[CptStern]

But why not send out a plane? If it was goat herders, they wouldn't have weapons, right? And if your sure it was 3,000 terrorists, now you've got a bigger problem on your hands, because they are scattered all over Pakistan, and hidden, with weapons that could cause mass chaos. And now they can begin recruiting.

or they could have been former soldiers on the run from the US ..the fact is that it was unknown ...take a chance that it'll escalate to a far worse scenario (3000 innocent deaths on your hands) or re-assess the situation ..I dont see what the problem was. They should have made absolutely sure it was what they claimed it was ...or else you create 3000 martyrs that no amount of reconciliation will ever atone for

 

[Dag]

But if your wrong? And we have 3,000 more 9/11's on our hands, all over the world? Is that a better situation? Is that the reason they never sent a recon out there to scout it out? The situation those "Goat Herders" were in has never happened before, and the circumstances were mighty odd.

 

[Absinthe]

But if your wrong? And we have 3,000 more 9/11's on our hands, all over the world? Is that a better situation? Is that the reason they never sent a recon out there to scout it out? The situation those "Goat Herders" were in has never happened before, and the circumstances were mighty odd.

Innocent until proven guilty.

Your rationale allows me to shoot people for giving me the awkward eye. After all, they could have potentially been a threat.

Start killing people out of mere suspiction and you set a very grave precedent.

 

[Dag]

Mere suspicions? What were goat herders doing breaking tradition, by leaving thier traditional routes, which were plentiful of grass then, to be condeming thier sheep to death, something that would end up killing the Goat herder, at high altitude, in the middle of winter? And why 3,000? And why leave to Pakistan, where terrain is less suitable for goat herding? And all this, considering no human has been on this path for 40 or 50 years?

 

[CptStern]

But if your wrong? And we have 3,000 more 9/11's on our hands, all over the world? Is that a better situation? Is that the reason they never sent a recon out there to scout it out? The situation those "Goat Herders" were in has never happened before, and the circumstances were mighty odd.

hey your little excercise in a pre-emptive strike on iraq blew up in your faces ...those 3000 9/11's just multiplied to hundreds of thousands of potential 9/11's ...if you truely were fighting a war on terror, you wouldnt have taken a side trip to iraq

 

[CptStern]

Mere suspicions? What were goat herders doing breaking tradition, by leaving thier traditional routes, which were plentiful of grass then, to be condeming thier sheep to death, something that would end up killing the Goat herder, at high altitude, in the middle of winter? And why 3,000? And why leave to Pakistan, where terrain is less suitable for goat herding? And all this, considering no human has been on this path for 40 or 50 years?

according to whose intelligence? if it was that compelling why didnt they attack? they attacked before with much less evidence I dont see why this was different

 

[Absinthe]

Mere suspicions? What were goat herders doing breaking tradition, by leaving thier traditional routes, which were plentiful of grass then, to be condeming thier sheep to death, something that would end up killing the Goat herder, at high altitude, in the middle of winter? And why 3,000? And why leave to Pakistan, where terrain is less suitable for goat herding? And all this, considering no human has been on this path for 40 or 50 years?

Then make a ****ing confirmation if it's just sooooo obvious that they were up to no good. I mean, come on, it couldn't be that hard, right?

Or you could be wrong and will have slaughtered 3,000 innocents.

 

[Icarusintel]

anyone else annoyed by the spelling error in the title of this thread?

 

[Absinthe]

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Yeah.

 

[K e r b e r o s]

Umm, sure.

This is like asking a man with no hands to snap his fingers.

I do not have the means to do such a thing,

So, now your just being random with your commentary? ...

I mean do I have to analyse all the bullcrap you just said? :

"Fix the problem! Fix the problem!" = And if it doesn't work out (something of very high probability) then you just chase him for eternity.

"Oh, and no, I don't have any idea on a solution." = This is like asking a man with no hands to snap his fingers.

Fix the Problem! Fix the problem!" = No, it's not a good tactic. With all our technology, our manpower, and our intel, we need to put on theatrics and hope that he slips up? Lord almighty...

Well absinthe, your a big help -- the kind of big help I get when an Elephant gets jammed up in the only front door I have leading in and out of my apartment ... thanks you for becoming a bigger part of the problem.

Look, kiddo, once your finished babbeling on about problems that you want fixed (and have no intention of fixing personally), then I might be inclined to, "return to wherever it is you were hibernating during your absence from this place."

 

[CptStern]

what the hell was that kerberos? I've read it 3 times and it still makes no sense ...you didnt answer not even one of his statements

 

[Icarusintel]

what the hell was that kerberos? I've read it 3 times and it still makes no sense ...you didnt answer not even one of his statements

most times i would tend not to agree with you, but here, ummm... clarification is necessary kerberos

 

[Dag]

Are you people blind? He's obviously telling you that elephants will destroy the world. Jeez, you guys are idiots. :rolling:

 

[Absinthe]

I also agree. Kerberos, you need some coherency to your ravings.

My point still stands. Average Joe does not have the means or technology to assist in the hunt for bin Laden. That's why I expect the government (shock), with its power, to be able to tackle the situation.

So unless you expect me to go backpacking through the Middle East, you're being ridiculous. Actually, scratch that. You're being ridiculous any way. I don't see you contributing anything to aid in Osama's capture.

Are you people blind? He's obviously telling you that elephants will destroy the world. Jeez, you guys are idiots. :rolling:

Those damned elephants... Now those bastards are a threat to the world. :angry:

 

[Dag]

I also agree. Kerberos, you need some coherency to your ravings.

My point still stands. Average Joe does not have the means or technology to assist in the hunt for bin Laden. That's why I expect the government (shock), with its power, to be able to tackle the situation.

So unless you expect me to go backpacking through the Middle East, you're being ridiculous. Actually, scratch that. You're being ridiculous any way. I don't see you contributing anything to aid in Osama's capture.

Actually, they do. What if an average Joe sees the man on the poster, and its Osama, and turns him in? What if your part of the terrorist group because they are holding your family hostage, or your in debt, and you see that huge reward?

 

[Absinthe]

And how often does Average Joe see Osama?\

The situation you're depicting is somewhat irrelevant. I ask you, how much can Mr. Christopher Lyda (who lives in a cul de sac in Germantown, Maryland), without the access to intel, satellite imagery, and military management, do to help capture bin Laden?

 

[Dag]

Didn't you say it yourself? Why not put average people into the search, because its better safe than sorry, right?

 

[Absinthe]

Didn't you say it yourself? Why not put average people into the search, because its better safe than sorry, right?

No idea what you're on about. Clarify.

 

[Dag]

Better to be safe, and put everyone on the alert for him, so Osama doesn't have many havens, as opposed to leaving everyone in the dark while only specialists look for him.

 

[Absinthe]

Better to be safe, and put everyone on the alert for him, so Osama doesn't have many havens, as opposed to leaving everyone in the dark while only specialists look for him.

Except not everybody has the means, technology, capacity, or will to search for him.

People are alert. But telling everybody "Hey, look for Osama!" will only result in deaths or inconvenient hostage situations that I can guarantee will not work for the US.

Any way... It's 1 in the morning over here and I need sleep. Ciao, all.

 

[Dag]

Except not everybody has the means, technology, capacity, or will to search for him.

People are alert. But telling everybody "Hey, look for Osama!" will only result in deaths or inconvenient hostage situations that I can guarantee will not work for the US.

Any way... It's 1 in the morning over here and I need sleep. Ciao, all.

How do you know? Are you an Anti-Terror specialist? Well, later.

 

[CptStern]

How do you know? Are you an Anti-Terror specialist? Well, later.

no but this guy is: and he states that the white house hourts after 9/11 wanted them to pin it on osama

the whitehouse never cared about osama ...they had bigger fish to fry

 

[MjM]

Interesting how things like these pop up when ever Bush starts to slide in approvals or he begins to loose his command of the senate or congress.

 

[Dag]

no but this guy is: and he states that the white house hourts after 9/11 wanted them to pin it on osama

the whitehouse never cared about osama ...they had bigger fish to fry

So what did the other 9 say?

 

[CptStern]

oops made a mistake should read:

"he states that the white house hours after 9/11 wanted them to pin it on saddam"




btw Dag, 9 what?

 

[Dag]

It says, not this guy. And it states, he is one of 10. And you spelled hours wrong.