Black Mesa East....????

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madaimer

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Just a quick question, i was playing hl2 a while ago for the 5th time or so and everytime i was gonna bring this up on the forums but always forgot, anyway. At the start of the game when you are headeing towards the airboat a fellow resistance member, or a radio i cant really remeber says your heading into or are in black mesa east, but istn black mesa in new mexico?.....did the rebels rename to place?
 
Black Mesa East is the name of the new research facility that Eli, Alyx Vance, and Mossman were doing research in. It is the facility that has a path to Ravenholme.
 
Naming their facility like that was to pay homage to the original Black Mesa, where they worked before the portal storms.
 
No. Black Mesa East is not in New Mexico.

Where did you get that idea?
 
Black Mesa East is East of Black Mesa. WAAAAAAAYYY East.
 
lol cant belive i missed out on that the facility is called black mesa east
 
Black Mesa was in New Mexico....Black Mesa East is in Eastern Europe...
 
I threw in an edit to one of the half life pages on there without even registering. So it's quite obvious that there is plenty of BS on that site. (and the rest of the internet as well.)
 
It says New Mexico in the beginning of Half Life 1. Case Closed.

Black Mesa West was were you blow yourself up at and phailed, once again, at teleporting. Black Mesa East is where you, once again, had to go the long way as a posed to stretching through some fallen rocks. They are the new facilities of the resistance, seeing as North America is ground zero and probably all either nuclear dust or xen infested.
 
Wikipedia isn't 100% correct, but that doesn't stop it being trustworthy. It's still valid, the information it contains, and whatever the case, you can take it as another person's belief, and then add your own.

There are strict rules on Wikipedia, and the fact that the content is monitored by everyone else, unless you get like 20 dicks monitoring it, you can assume that the information has been validated by someone else, who probably validated against another source.

Edit: You didn't "end that argument". That's quite arrogant of you to assume you did. Nothing you stated proved anything, and all you provided was evidence, not fact. You've just provided a new theory.
 
*whispers* - psst, I think you meant speculation, not evidence.
 
*whispers even quieter* - I know! Thats why I whispered.
 
Also, if you recall Col. Cubbage's base being called "New Little Odessa (NLO), the evidence just keeps building up.

And how about this.... is there a single tangible shred of evidence which shows that it is a different eastern European city? Not that I've seen.
 
Andrew LB said:
Also, if you recall Col. Cubbage's base being called "New Little Odessa (NLO), the evidence just keeps building up.

And how about this.... is there a single tangible shred of evidence which shows that it is a different eastern European city? Not that I've seen.
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Look, every month someone posts their "Revolutionary" theory that City 17 is either Odessa, Sofia or Belgrad [there are buildings that are taken directly from Sofia and Belgrad, like the Overwatch Nexus]. The truth is it's none of those, it's a generic, non-existant city based on several eastern european cities and the kind of archecture that exists there in general.
 
AJ Rimmer said:
Look, every month someone posts their "Revolutionary" theory that City 17 is either Odessa, Sofia or Belgrad [there are buildings that are taken directly from Sofia and Belgrad, like the Overwatch Nexus]. The truth is it's none of those, it's a generic, non-existant city based on several eastern european cities and the kind of archecture that exists there in general.
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My money's on Sofia. One of the game designers was from there. And I've posted this before, but this is a monument in Sofia:

combineindependencemonument.jpg


That TOTALLY has to be the inspiration for Combine architecture.

In any case, AJ Rimmer is right - though inspiration is obviously drawn from specific Eastern European cities, I'm pretty sure that City 17 isn't supposed to be any of them in particular.
 
I'll hit up my friend from Bulgaria to see if the writing on buildings, etc is actually Russian or Bulgarian. While both Slavic languages, they are quite distinctly different.
 
Andrew LB said:
I'll hit up my friend from Bulgaria to see if the writing on buildings, etc is actually Russian or Bulgarian. While both Slavic languages, they are quite distinctly different.
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There's also swedish, english (duh) and from what I heard, apparentely some sign in polish. Look, City 17 is not any real city. You are gonna find bits and pieces from loads of cities and countries, okay?
 
HOLY CRAP THE COMBINE HAVE FORCIBLY AMALGAMATED CITIES!1111!1!1!oneoneone!1!!1!1

ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG

When you get to Combine-Controlled America, we'll see mashups of Boston, New Orleans, Chicago, Denver, LA, and NY.
 
Assuming you can identify City 17 as a real city, then what is Ravenholm?

Somebody who's good with maps should figure out how far Ravenholm is from City 17.
 
And Ravenholme isn't what it used to be. It could be anything.
 
AJ Rimmer said:
There's also swedish, english (duh) and from what I heard, apparentely some sign in polish. Look, City 17 is not any real city. You are gonna find bits and pieces from loads of cities and countries, okay?
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The signs above buildings are almost completely in Russian. Yes, I have seen other languages written in the game but the vast majority of those seem to have been things which could have been brought by cultures from all over Earth as they fled to urban centers to avoid Xen wildlife, looking for safety.

The architecture is also heavily Eastern European and incredibly like that of the city and areas around Odessa. Also, the location of the game along a body of water which is to it's east is just like that of the city of Odessa, Ukraine.

The cars are all eastern Bloc cars as well.
 
Just because it's Eastern European doesn't mean it's in the Ukraine. There's plenty more countries which class as east European. Could be Polish for all you know.
 
I swear, this is the biggest thing that gets on my nerve, moreso than "The combine were on Xen" or "G-man is Gordon".

City 17 is not. A. Real. City! IT. IS. A GENERIC. EASTERN EUROPEAN. CITY.
Not Odessa, Not Sofia, not Riga nor Moscow, not Copenhagen, not Stockholm or any other city that exists today! And just in case you missed by last point: There are buildings from Sofia in City 17, so that's a point against it being Odessa, innit?
 
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