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Hmmm...

I was wondering why nobody was posting anything. :p


In the words of Episode 1 Obi-Wan, "I have a bad feeling about this."
 
Me's sa thinks somethings bads is gona happens - jar jar
 
Ohnoz the bms forums are down!?! WE WILL ALL DIE!!!!!
 
Restructuring.

We've got some changes to make, and we'll be providing a bit more news on the subject once we've finalized it all.
 
RabidMonkey said:
Restructuring.

We've got some changes to make, and we'll be providing a bit more news on the subject once we've finalized it all.
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You're involved in BM, then? Please confirm development will continue.
 
I'd scream out in ironic displeasure if it'd been shut down for lack of effort or an IP infringement.

-Angry Lawyer
 
SixThree said:
Ohnoz the bms forums are down!?! WE WILL ALL DIE!!!!!
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That's not the point of the thread :|

Since the forums are down and it says there will be news soon regarding the status of BMS, that might be something terrible.

You need to look deeper than the skin.... And also not act like we are all addicted to the internet or something. :borg:
 
vegeta897 said:
And also not act like we are all addicted to the internet or something. :borg:
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Yeah, about that - how does that work, exactly?

If there is something big going on, I see two possibilities - either it's all over, like waking from a wonderful dream (which, if true, will probably cause me to finally lose interest in gaming), or the project and it's members have been taken on by Valve (like with CS and DoD).
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Legal reasons.
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I don't see how this can be - Valve own the copyright, surely they do what the like with anything related the HL IP and the BMS team can sign their work over to Valve? Unless I'm being exceptionally thick and missing something. What legal reasons are you thinking of?
 
That's the legal problem. Notice how Valve haven't C&D'd them, but still refuses to add them to the "Steam News" pages? They're not allowed to confirm their existance, otherwise they HAVE to defend their IP and shut them down. Probably.

-Angry Lawyer
 
I think you're missing what I meant - take the BM team on, give them resources and a salary, and make Black Mesa: Source an official Valve product, available through Steam and probably requiring payment.
 
Trust me, they wouldn't be able to buy Black Mesa: Source without causing serious legal problems.

However, they *could* hire the more productive members of the team.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Because BMS are creating a derived work. A work that has not been condoned by Valve. Valve have no say about what goes into it. Theoretically, BMS can twiddle the story in whatever way they want, and they have no control. If they buy it, they are watering down their IP. They are saying "Hey, look everyone, we're letting otuer people use our IP and are PAYING them for it". Therefore, more people follow suit. And then, another company could take their IP and try to release a game based on it. Valve would be like "Well, we're going to take you to court for stealing parts of our universe". And, legally, the other company could successfully use the defense "Well, you've allowed others to use your IP without permission. You've even given some of them some money. You can't sue us without suing all of them". So Valve lose the IP rights to the HL universe, because, believe it or not, if you don't defend your IP ferverently, you lose the ability to defend it at all. Their product loses standing because of the number of low-quality rip-offs that spring up, that they can't defend against. The HL universe loses its flavour. Valve announce a new title, and another company creates something that's better quality, with the same storyline and setting. Nobody buys official Valve products. Worst case scenario.

If you don't believe me, why do you think Valve asked them to take "Source" out of their name? Because it infringed to the point where Valve would have to take action if it became too popular. Valve *want* BMS to go ahead, but they don't want legal headaches.

-Angry Lawyer
 
I think you're intentionally getting the wrong end of the stick to make it seem like you know better. Seems familiar.
 
Again, I'll point to the "Source" suffix removal.

And in addition, to take a less pessimistic legal view on things - economically, why would they buy them? Although BMS definately HAS produced some pretty media, they've yet to release anything. In the long run, they might not ever release anything. It might, in the worst case, look real pretty but play like tripe.

Counterstrike and Day of Defeat were already proven products when Valve bought them. BMS, although they've had outstanding media, haven't finished anything.

-Angry Lawyer
 
The Attorney is correct here. It's really not very difficult to understand...
 
Rabid Monkey is the Project Director, I can confirm that we are simply undergoing an internal re-structure, and that more information will be posted when the chance arrises.
 
pomegranate said:
Why do you say that?
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Not only legal reasons, but because Valve don't hire on pretty screenshots, it simply doesn't work.
 
Oh right, because I imagined that would be the scenario - Gabe Newell is surfing mod sites, sees the media for BM:S, and immediately sends limos round to each of the developers to deliver them to their brand new office suite at Valve HQ. Yeah, thanks for correcting me on that!

Try and have a bit of speculative ability ffs.
 
Why be speculative about something thats totally out of the question?
 
Samon said:
Why be speculative about something thats totally out of the question?
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:rolling: I give up, if you fail to see the possibility of this after the precedent that Valve has already set you must have no imaginative capability whatsoever.
 
pomegranate said:
Oh right, because I imagined that would be the scenario - Gabe Newell is surfing mod sites, sees the media for BM:S, and immediately sends limos round to each of the developers to deliver them to their brand new office suite at Valve HQ. Yeah, thanks for correcting me on that!

Try and have a bit of speculative ability ffs.
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I remember once, I was talkin to gabe newell (VIA email not real-life face to face :p)

about Half-life Source with HDR, Then I said something about the Black Mesa mod, He hasnt replied since
 
pomegranate said:
:rolling: I give up, if you fail to see the possibility of this after the precedent that Valve has already set you must have no imaginative capability whatsoever.
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Yeah if they want they can kill the project.
 
Sufferin-rebel said:
about Half-life Source with HDR, Then I said something about the Black Mesa mod, He hasnt replied since
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Valve like BMS, which is why they're trying to steer them away from the obvious problems (infringement of the Source name), and why they've not litigated. However, to be able to avoid problems in court, they have to deny existance.

I also really like BMS (even though I'm one of the "ohnoes if it's not canon it'll make me go crazy" sort). They've shown some very pretty work. I also can see many of the team members getting into the gaming industry, because it'll look outstanding on their portfolio. However, for the aformentioned legal reasons, they won't be buying BMS, or hiring the entire team as a BMS-making team.

-Angry Lawyer
 
Sufferin-rebel said:
I remember once, I was talkin to gabe newell (VIA email not real-life face to face :p)

about Half-life Source with HDR, Then I said something about the Black Mesa mod, He hasnt replied since
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rebel (aka Nathster) i believe he only answers once, unless your giving him abuse then thats another story :smoking: (btw never done it, i respect the guy. sitting in ass all day eatting donuts, what a guy :cheese: )
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Holy crap, Rebel, you're Nathster?

-Angry Lawyer
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Yes he is, and no he not the Download site, i've ask him many times for Cat stevens songs but he refuse's to give me Download's i tell you that Nathster is crap to Download from :O
 
Nath you slag.. ;)

All this talk about Valve hiring us should be forgotten, they are lovely guys but we are not in talks with them about their future development as a company.
 
jheaddon said:
Nath you slag.. ;)

All this talk about Valve hiring us should be forgotten, they are lovely guys but we are not in talks with them about their future development as a company.
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Bring back the forum! i need my fix, i can't stand it! my google video threads are going to waste :'(

if you don't bring that forum up by friday i'd... i'd... do something evil! like... kiss Angry Lawyer for £100! :eek: (i don't mind as long as i get the money :eek: )

or i have a better plan! i get a group of people to spam your PM box which you'll have no care in, it's the perfeat plan!!!!!11one


Muahahahahahh!!!!
 
Angry Lawyer, I wonder, as far as I can see, Valve denying the existence of BMs still wouldn't work if things ever got as far as court. A reasonable claim could be made that Valve were aware of BMS but chose not to comment, as opposed to being unaware (which is probably what Valve would like to claim). Just like I read a legal letter against some webmaster of a torrent site that mentioned that it was not plausible he (the webmaster) couldn't recognize some famous movie titles as copyrighted content.
 
They've already acknowledged us? So why do people bother to keep posting this stuff :)
 
If you don't get the BMS forums up by friday, Hot# will revive OS for the 16th time!
 
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