Bodies of 2 missing GIs recovered in Iraq

The faster we can get out there, the faster we can get all the boys and girls over there back here, in relative safety. In war, casualties are to be expected, but it's still a sad day whenever we or anyone else loses a soldier (Other than those there jsut to screw with things and cause general mayhem).
 
Yeah, let's go to a nation, cripple it and destroy its government and any form of authority, and once we start suffering casualties ourselves, leave!

What's the worse that could happen besides a huge civil war where the entire government that was set up being overthrown and another evil dictatorship put in its place with thousands of civilian casualties and a massive breeding ground for terrorists planning to kill more civilians and Americans for destroying their homes?



Alternatively we could stay for as long as we are needed, offering only peace and protection for the citizens of the country we just destroyed, while trying our best to avoid conflict with the massive amount of terrorists and instead thinking of a way to perhaps comprimise with everyone.
 
Well, that's what the soldiers signed up for.

War is politics with bloodshed...politics is war without bloodshed. Nothing new about these beheadings. I guess ya'll can see war sucks now huh?
 
Y'all shoulda thought of this before going in all gung-ho.

I empathise with the soldiers and their families.
 
Tr0n said:
Well, that's what the soldiers signed up for.

War is politics with bloodshed...politics is war without bloodshed. Nothing new about these beheadings. I guess ya'll can see war sucks now huh?
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QFT.

I guess ya'll can see war sucks now huh?
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Not according to my uncle who signed up for Vietnam, he said that it was the most awesome experience ever..... :|


But really, what doesn't suck?

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BTW, CNN says that the bodies were booby-trapped.
 
Erestheux said:
Yeah, let's go to a nation, cripple it and destroy its government and any form of authority, and once we start suffering casualties ourselves, leave!

What's the worse that could happen besides a huge civil war where the entire government that was set up being overthrown and another evil dictatorship put in its place with thousands of civilian casualties and a massive breeding ground for terrorists planning to kill more civilians and Americans for destroying their homes?



Alternatively we could stay for as long as we are needed, offering only peace and protection for the citizens of the country we just destroyed, while trying our best to avoid conflict with the massive amount of terrorists and instead thinking of a way to perhaps comprimise with everyone.
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Dude, I was never talking about "pulling and cutting losses". All I said was that the quicker we can get out (as in fix the nation and make sure they can stand up by themselves), the quicker our soldiers can get back home. Can we not drag political views and crap into a statement only made out of sympathy for the troops?
 
I believe that GIs in Iraq are suffering from serious stress and distress. Everyday, in average, some soldiers are being murdered. That means soldiers are facing death everyday. Even the soldiers did not die, it is still a mental torture. For the soldiers, they may feel pointless of staying Iraq since they don't really have a concrete mission like capturing an enemy fortress or landing on a beach. Soldiers just don't know what to do in Iraq. Secure the public? How to do? What to do? That's obviously not what a soldier should do.

Still, pulling out is an irresponsible action. The Government and police there is still unstable; they are sustaining severe attacks. If US just left Iraq at that, it will be miserable. Just like a person visited a friend and messed his house up, then left without any cleaning up. That is too irresponsible, which is unbearable.
 
I had to agree that war is really and totally a worst thing that can happen. But hey, truth hurts and you got to know it.

I feel sorry for the soliders and their family, the family must have suffered a lot. :(
 
The Kaiser said:
Dude, I was never talking about "pulling and cutting losses". All I said was that the quicker we can get out (as in fix the nation and make sure they can stand up by themselves), the quicker our soldiers can get back home. Can we not drag political views and crap into a statement only made out of sympathy for the troops?
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Well, even if you weren't saying that, a lot of people are. On top of that it really sounded like you were saying that. :eek:

I agree that we should get out as quickly as possible, but we should stay as long as they need us to.
 
They were having a discussion about this on Larry King, and there was a lot of hope that they'd be found alive. Then just a few hours later they turned up dead.
 
CptStern said:
after Haditha I doubt any US soldiers captured will turn up alive
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And after this I don't think we'll have any more prisoners.

Just dead enemy combatants.
 
dont forget dead civilians ..for every dead combatant there's a dozen dead civilians

btw I'd like to see you explain how you can possibly compare children to soldiers
 
Yeah, forgot dead civilians.

Also,

12+ : Valid emergency conscription age.
 
Erestheux said:
Alternatively we could stay for as long as we are needed, offering only peace and protection for the citizens of the country we just destroyed, while trying our best to avoid conflict with the massive amount of terrorists and instead thinking of a way to perhaps comprimise with everyone.
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I hope you are being sarcastic, it is too late to play peace keepers...we have shown our hand and the Iraqi's don't like what they see. One rule for us and another for them.

I hope we find and prosecute those involed in the soldiers murders but I have a funny feeling the coalition will blow up innocent civilians in there quest to be judge, jury and executioner.
 
what? what does Pearl have to do with what I said?
 
A lot.

Haditha doesn't matter how the terrorist kill people, is what I think he's trying to say.
 
that makes even less sense

and yes Haditha does matter ...just as the torture of prisoners, the bombing of civilians etc ..it all matters
 
I think its just that they're ****ed up individuals (the terrorists).


What kind of a normal, sane human being decapitates a guy with a penknife?
 
that makes even less sense

and yes Haditha does matter ...just as the torture of prisoners, the bombing of civilians etc ..it all matters
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Haditha was not a problem during the time of Daniel Pearls imprisonment and decapitation. So, it's really not what caused the marines to be executed in the same respect. We don't kill our Prisoners of War, and if we have, its not the conduct exhibited by the Coalition Military as a whole. (160,000+).

Our policy is not, 'Kill them all, they're infidels, for Western Jihad which excuses our lack of humanity with the mindless rage and vengeance we can't get over!'

Besides, the terrorists always execute Americans first. We're allies with Israel, so they will always kill any American who is captured. So Haditha does'nt matter nor justify they're wartime atrocities. Nothing does.

Nothing justifies Haditha, either

What kind of a normal, sane human being decapitates a guy with a penknife?
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Not any human being I know.
 
I didn't think they would find much of these guys. At least they recovered their earthly remains I suppose. Not like it matters. David Cross has a hilarious bit about donating his body to a bunch of necrophiliacs after he dies--what does he care? He can't use it anymore! Why not let some people have some fun with it?! Hahaha! :LOL: That David Cross--too funny!

Tr0n said:
politics is war without bloodshed.
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Hahaha! If you think politics is without bloodshed I may have a bridge to sell you...

Tr0n said:
I guess ya'll can see war sucks now huh?
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Some of us have known that for quite some time now. ;(
 
VictimOfScience said:
I didn't think they would find much of these guys. At least they recovered their earthly remains I suppose. Not like it matters. David Cross has a hilarious bit about donating his body to a bunch of necrophiliacs after he dies--what does he care? He can't use it anymore! Why not let some people have some fun with it?! Hahaha! :LOL: That David Cross--too funny!


Hahaha! If you think politics is without bloodshed I may have a bridge to sell you...


Some of us have known that for quite some time now. ;(
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I guess you didn't get the quote huh?
 
Tr0n said:
I guess you didn't get the quote huh?
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Er, yes Mao, I did. But if you agree with that, I still might be able to find that offer...I know its here somewhere...:)
 
K e r b e r o s said:
Haditha was not a problem during the time of Daniel Pearls imprisonment and decapitation.
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false analogy. what does daniel pearl have to do with this ..he wasnt a soldier.

K e r b e r o s said:
So, it's really not what caused the marines to be executed in the same respect.
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what does daniel pearl have to do with the deaths of these 2 soldiers?

K e r b e r o s said:
We don't kill our Prisoners of War, and if we have, its not the conduct exhibited by the Coalition Military as a whole. (160,000+).
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false analogy as daniel pearl has nothing to do with this incident

oh and there's been many cases of prisoners being murdered ..while I agree it's not systematic it does happen ...just like I proved earlier that beheading by terrorist groups is not systematic

K e r b e r o s said:
Our policy is not, 'Kill them all, they're infidels, for Western Jihad which excuses our lack of humanity with the mindless rage and vengeance we can't get over!'
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your policy was supposed to be "lets help the iraqis" instead it's "let's commit some of the same crimes committed by saddam but no one will protest because we're america""

K e r b e r o s said:
Besides, the terrorists always execute Americans first. We're allies with Israel, so they will always kill any American who is captured.
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well you are the enemy ..what did you expect? a hearty handshake, a bottle of chablis and a box of chocolates? they kill america soldiers because that's what they do

K e r b e r o s said:
So Haditha does'nt matter nor justify they're wartime atrocities. Nothing does.
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yes it does matter ..Haditha fuels hate towards americans





K e r b e r o s said:
Not any human being I know.
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torture is no less barbaric.

Amnesty international said:
The videotaped testimony of one Abu Ghraib victim, Hussein Mutar, was shown in evidence to a US military court martial sitting in Texas, USA, in January 2005. Hussein Mutar had reportedly been detained on suspicion of car theft and was tortured and ill-treated while held at Abu Ghraib in November 2003.(26) In the evidence laid before the court martial, he identified himself as one of a number of prisoners in a photograph taken by a US guard at the prison which showed several naked male detainees being forced to lie on top of one another. He also spoke of his feelings of humiliation and shame when US guards forced him to masturbate over fellow inmates: "I couldn’t imagine it in the beginning that this could happen. But I wished for my death, that I could kill myself, because no one over there would stop what was going on".
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http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde140012006


murder is no less barbaric

london independent said:
AN IRAQI civilian yesterday told how he and his cousin were forced at gunpoint into the Tigris River by US troops who laughed as they struggled against the current. The man's 19-year-old relative drowned.
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http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20050106/ai_n9691826


http://www.morningjournal.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1699&dept_id=46376&newsid=12241438&PAG=461&rfi=9
 
stern youre gay. like anything america has done in the past justifies gross murder like that. one unit goes off the deep end and boy is america marked for life. get real.
 
the difference is we prosecute our people.

they slap theirs on the back. but its obvious who you side with, so you're probably slapping the al qaeda terrorists who decapitated these young men on the back too. great job they did!
 
The Kaiser said:
Dude, I was never talking about "pulling and cutting losses". All I said was that the quicker we can get out (as in fix the nation and make sure they can stand up by themselves), the quicker our soldiers can get back home. Can we not drag political views and crap into a statement only made out of sympathy for the troops?
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Don't know how many permanent bases the US is building in Iraq? There never was a "going home".
 
I believe that GIs in Iraq are suffering from serious stress and distress.
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probably why they are shooting up 6 month old children and 85 yr old grandmas.

For the soldiers, they may feel pointless of staying Iraq since they don't really have a concrete mission like capturing an enemy fortress or landing on a beach. Soldiers just don't know what to do in Iraq. Secure the public? How to do? What to do?
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you hit the nail on the head.after the real war( the defeat of saddams forces),what was needed in iraq was more of the conventional policing rather than armed soldiers in tanks and humvees patrolling the streets, providing juicy targets for terrorists from as far apart as chechnya and afghanistan. The average early -twenty grunt has neither the education to understand a foreign culture nor the training for a policing role. That was where a well crafted plan was required before u guys went in, which u did not have. So, you can reap the consequences now.

I also wonder how freely tears flow for a marine killed but the dozens of civilian deaths which occur go un- or under-reporetd.( i admit it is different in this forum.... but not in the media)
Any death is bad, whichever side of the battle it is on.
 
What, so they should have the iraqi police murdered instead?
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Thats where u r so naive. Do u think its just the so called "imported" terrorists who blow up your troops? They do so with sizeable support from iraqis who hate the occupation. Putting their own people on the job will rapidly erode any backing from the public for the fringe terrorist elements.
 
You know, THERE ARE IRAQI SECURITY FORCES DOING THE JOBS TOO.

That doesn't stop them from being killed even more than the American troops.
 
hari66 said:
Thats where u r so naive. Do u think its just the so called "imported" terrorists who blow up your troops? They do so with sizeable support from iraqis who hate the occupation. Putting their own people on the job will rapidly erode any backing from the public for the fringe terrorist elements.
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Your argument is hard to take seriously when you refuse to use such basic English constructs like "You" and "are".
 
gh0st said:
the difference is we prosecute our people.
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sure you do gh0sty

45 days for murder, yup that's justice for you

"A soldier who admitted executing a wounded Iraqi teenager received three years in prison. Co-defendant Staff Sgt. Cardenas J. Alban was convicted of murder in the same case and given a one-year sentence"


"A prisoner died after being dragged out of his holding cell by the neck, stripped naked and left outside for seven hours. The Marine major who commanded the facility was convicted of dereliction of duty and maltreatment and dismissed from the service."


"Pfc. Edward L. Richmond Jr., a Schofield Barracks soldier who shot an unarmed cowherder in the back of the head, yesterday became the first U.S. soldier convicted in the death of an Iraqi civilian ..sentenced to three years in jail and dishonorably discharged from the Army."


"US soldier Glendale Wells was sentenced Wednesday to two months in prison by a military court for his role in abusing an Afghan detainee known as Dilawar, who died in December 2002 at Bagram Control Point"


"Lewis E. Welshofer ..convicted of the torture death of an Iraqi prisoner on November 23 2003, ...Welshofer could have faced a dishonorable discharge as well as up to 39 months in prison, but received only 60 days of barrack confinement and he was ordered to forfeit 6,000 US$ in salary"



justice my ass

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7200520/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1438751,00.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050605-wartime-prosecutions.htm


wait I spoke too soon, here's an american soldier convicted of murder and sentenced to death ...oh wait ..he was convicted of killing fellow US soliders. Hmmmm I wonder if US soldiers have more value than civilians



gh0st said:
they slap theirs on the back.
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they're not bound by international law are they? the US is, they're not there to "help the people of iraq" are they? they have nothing except their own twisted morality to keep them in check


gh0st said:
but its obvious who you side with, so you're probably slapping the al qaeda terrorists who decapitated these young men on the back too. great job they did!
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it's obvious you're an idiot because everyone knows criticising soldiers murdering civilians is equal to supporting terrorism. But nice attempt at avoiding the fact that your soldiers are commiting atrocities in your name ..keep going down this road, I look forward to you revealing your bigotry and being permanently banned ..strike three gh0st ..buh-bye! :E



Numbers:

"The Army has conducted more than 600 criminal investigations resulting in charges against 251 soldiers who went before courts-martial or faced administrative punishment."

it's far more than 6 ...and that's only the ones they know about and doesnt include "justified" homicide such as this


in fact since the war was based on manipulation of facts and outright lies ..every single casualty in iraq is on US hands
 
If the US took "international law" seriously like you suggest they would not be in Iraq. If the US respected world opinion Guantanamo Bay would not exist.
 
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