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Apple Announces Official Support for Windows XP on a Mac

More and more people are buying and loving Macs. To make this choice simply irresistible, Apple will include technology in the next major release of Mac OS X, Leopard, that lets you install and run the Windows XP operating system on your Mac. Called Boot Camp (for now), you can download a public beta today.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

Intel-Macs owners now have an official second OS option

Ever since the release of Apple's Intel-based Macs, the user community has been attempting to find ways to install Windows XP on their Macs. Because of issues regarding how Apple has designed its new computers, initial attempts at installing Windows XP were met with frustration. While a method has now be devised to install Windows, must users are staying away do to the complexity of the method and the risks involved. Lack of proper drivers are also a factor.

Today however, Apple has released what it calls Boot Camp Beta, a download for current Intel-Mac owners that allows them to install Windows XP without hacking their Windows XP installation CD. Apple says that in its next major release of OS X, called Leopard, Boot Camp will be fully integrated. For now, users can download the 85MB Boot Camp Beta directly from Apple's website.

Boot Camp lets you install Windows XP without moving your Mac data, though you will need to bring your own copy to the table, as Apple Computer does not sell or support Microsoft Windows. Boot Camp will burn a CD of all the required drivers for Windows so you don't have to scrounge around the Internet looking for them.

Apple's Boot Camp will also provide users with officially working drivers to get their Windows XP up and running. Thanks Orochi for the head's up!

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1636

I was definately not expecting this. At least not official support from apple itself!
 
heh saw this earlier today didnt post it cuz of the inevitable people posting comments like "apple sucks" etc

I left the mac world because of gaming ...I may just return to it in the near future ..dual os bootable computers ftw
 
So now you can pay for proprietary hardware, but choose your OS.
XD
 
Is this an emulator then? Or is it ACTUALLY XP installed on your machine, no conflicts?

This is really intresting, it will increase Apple sales but also Microsoft sales. Who will be better off?
 
realism in Apple brought it the Ipod success - I hope this same approach rewards them now
 
Holy crap. Now that's really funny, I think Mr. Jobs is freaking desperate, since good old Bill is got all the bitches to himself.
 
Ahem. I think they got the base technolgy for that off the community.


onmac.net

Edit: *aprantly they haven't
 
Barney Fife said:
Holy crap. Now that's really funny, I think Mr. Jobs is freaking desperate, since good old Bill is got all the bitches to himself.
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LOL
 
I actually never owned a MAC system, due the lack of support from second and third party software hardware manufacturers, especially game developers.
Everything and anything you use nowadays are for PC and Bill has 80-90% of the computer market because of Steve’s sole mistake.
Mr. Job’s greediness of both manufacturing and developing hardware and software by him and refusing to share is why he lags behind PC, and his production, the most expensive hardware software people could buy.
But let me be honest and say “I do like MAC OS better than PC, and would love to buy and own one if I could get it as cheap as Windows, I could at least use the darn thing as PC.

BTW, Steve would be in Chapter 11 situation if it wasn't for Ipod saving him, and Ipod wasn't compatible with PC.
 
Cool. Im also wondering if this is emulation. Wonder how this is different than it will be installing Vista 64bit edition on the Intel-Macs without needing OS X to install it.

FYI threads merged.
 
LOL Asus I thought I post the same thing on both threads.

Hehe, nice trick Asus.
 
well i was bored at work today so i decided to install it. must say it was easy. every ran smooth, ran into a couple of bugs though, nothing major,(webcam not working & wireless drops as soon as windows connects but goes back on right after)

and it is an actual xp install, have to walk through the windows install and all, with seperate partition.

apple has it very simple.

have latest updates
run boot camp on os x
with a silder choose how much space you want allocated to win xp(no reformating required)
put in cd to have program burn drivers to cd
put in windows xp sp2 disc and restart

from their its a typical xp install and the driver cd is jsut one install program once windows screen is loaded.
my boss laughed at me when i said we should put an antivirus on saying i dont really care.

also the dual boot is pretty simple
just set what you want to boot to after you restart from xp or os x(bacily built in boot options from each system)
and at start up all you ahve to do is hold the alt button at start up and 2 little hard drives will pop up asking your opinion
and if you dont it jsut loads to what ever the last operating system that was on told it to load


asus: didnt ms say that vista wanst coming with efi support at first?
 
that really sucks i don't have an intel-mac. just a 12in g4 powerbook. or maybe it's better, otherwise i might be tempted to play too much on it. that's one of the reasons i got a mac. no games for it.
 
If Steve is serious about this and he wants to compete Bill's XP, he could of come up with a stand alone OS, like OS x for PC. I sure would jump on to it.
 
Barney Fife said:
If Steve is serious about this and he wants to compete Bill's XP, he could of come up with a stand alone OS, like OS x for PC. I sure would jump on to it.
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dont count on it. they want people coming to thier product as a whole, part of the reason why apple's run smoothly is because they have it all running the same hardware for the most part, pieced together by them(or paying to ahve it peiced together)

allowing people to install it on oem systems could insitute problems. they would have to lower the quailty of the drivers to have a further range of support for different motherboards,graphics drivers, ethernet cards, and so on, and alot of companies wouldnt go out of their way to write them either. That and if the system starts going haywire becuase of bad parts or drivers, the majority of consumers will blame the os instead.
 
vista did have efi support, and now it doesn't.

this has made me consider buying a macbook, but i probably won't decide till they come out with a new revision, i find out how much of a student discount i can get, how well games run [on xp] and what video cards they have.
 
Revisedsoul said:
dont count on it. they want people coming to thier product as a whole, part of the reason why apple's run smoothly is because they have it all running the same hardware for the most part, pieced together by them(or paying to ahve it peiced together)

allowing people to install it on oem systems could insitute problems. they would have to lower the quailty of the drivers to have a further range of support for different motherboards,graphics drivers, ethernet cards, and so on, and alot of companies wouldnt go out of their way to write them either. That and if the system starts going haywire becuase of bad parts or drivers, the majority of consumers will blame the os instead.
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I understand and agree.
 
destrukt said:
vista did have efi support, and now it doesn't.

this has made me consider buying a macbook, but i probably won't decide till they come out with a new revision, i find out how much of a student discount i can get, how well games run [on xp] and what video cards they have.
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student discount is on their store website.

you prolly wont get much of a choice of the cards either
 
Revisedsoul said:
well i was bored at work today so i decided to install it. must say it was easy. every ran smooth, ran into a couple of bugs though, nothing major,(webcam not working & wireless drops as soon as windows connects but goes back on right after)

and it is an actual xp install, have to walk through the windows install and all, with seperate partition.

apple has it very simple.

have latest updates
run boot camp on os x
with a silder choose how much space you want allocated to win xp(no reformating required)
put in cd to have program burn drivers to cd
put in windows xp sp2 disc and restart

from their its a typical xp install and the driver cd is jsut one install program once windows screen is loaded.
my boss laughed at me when i said we should put an antivirus on saying i dont really care.

also the dual boot is pretty simple
just set what you want to boot to after you restart from xp or os x(bacily built in boot options from each system)
and at start up all you ahve to do is hold the alt button at start up and 2 little hard drives will pop up asking your opinion
and if you dont it jsut loads to what ever the last operating system that was on told it to load


asus: didnt ms say that vista wanst coming with efi support at first?
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sounds exactly like it was during the transition between os 9 and os10 (X) ..you were able to boot into either os ..but in osX you were able to access your files from os9 and even run some os9 apps in emulation in os10 ..can you do the same from osx to winxp?
 
you can't run win xp apps inside os x .. maybe in leopard or whatever the next version of macos.
 
well if you cant run apps .. can you access folders in winxp from osx like you could in os9/osX? or are the os' completely separate?
 
The 64bit version of Vista has efi correct? I know the 32bit version won't (will be released first).
 
Well apple basicly updated the efi, to be bios capable.


Its exactly like running windows on a normal pc, apart from the bootloader.
 
the program wont go across but you can have access to the files if you format partition for winxp to fat32
 
I'm really considering getting a Mac next time around now this has come about.

Few questions though...

Does Windows XP/Will Windows Vista run as well on a Mac as it does on a PC?
Will games be as fast running on windows on a Mac as it does on a PC?
Any driver issues for windows with this?
Anyone know where i can get a Mac for cheap? :P
 
Asus said:
The 64bit version of Vista has efi correct? I know the 32bit version won't (will be released first).
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fairly certain that not even the 64bit will have efi.
 
Ren.182 said:
I'm really considering getting a Mac next time around now this has come about.

Few questions though...

Does Windows XP/Will Windows Vista run as well on a Mac as it does on a PC?
Will games be as fast running on windows on a Mac as it does on a PC?
Any driver issues for windows with this?
Anyone know where i can get a Mac for cheap? :P
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jsut think of it as a regualr computer but less access to upgrade (really jsut ram and hard drive but the hd is hard to get at.)


mac minis are goign cheap
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP...tore.woa/wo/0.RSLID?mco=D9945568&nclm=Macmini

those are canadian prices
but not be so great for games and the imac which starts at 1499 for the intire system
 
apple has to release 'kits' to upgrade things like video cards [officially] and they can sometimes be slow [as in, slowly released] and limited in choice.
 
Half-life 2, FEAR, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion on a mac power book :O



"The Intel transition is a big deal for Apple, so it's encouraging to see the company tackling it head-on. What matters to us is that the MacBook running Apple's official XP drivers is a robust, stable gaming platform capable of playing software from either side of the OS wars. While some are predicting this will be the beginning of the end for the Mac platform, the opposite seems to be true, at least anecdotally. At least a dozen platform fence-sitters have told me that the Mac's newfound ability to play PC games has broken down the last barrier to their buying a Mac as their next computer."


oh and no kits for things like video cards ..so long as you get the mac version it will work on most g5's ...macminis and imacs usually have onboard graphics, but the newest imacs video card can be upgraded ..I think they come with ati's X1600
 
i think you think i meant that you need to buy one of these kits to run boot camp, i'm simply saying that upgrading your video card is a tiny bit different then doing so for your pc.
 
CptStern said:
Half-life 2, FEAR, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion on a mac power book :O



"The Intel transition is a big deal for Apple, so it's encouraging to see the company tackling it head-on. What matters to us is that the MacBook running Apple's official XP drivers is a robust, stable gaming platform capable of playing software from either side of the OS wars. While some are predicting this will be the beginning of the end for the Mac platform, the opposite seems to be true, at least anecdotally. At least a dozen platform fence-sitters have told me that the Mac's newfound ability to play PC games has broken down the last barrier to their buying a Mac as their next computer."


oh and no kits for things like video cards ..so long as you get the mac version it will work on most g5's ...macminis and imacs usually have onboard graphics, but the newest imacs video card can be upgraded ..I think they come with ati's X1600
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all imacs in the past few years have had dedicated video cards(mac minis are the only ones with intergrated) and only the 20 inch imac you can upgrade the video card and it just upgrades it from a 128meg x1600 to a 256 for an extra $90 canadian

and it will not work on any g5's
 
destrukt said:
fairly certain that not even the 64bit will have efi.
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I looked up some news posts and some say EFI support is delayed until the Server version of Vista (Longhorn) in early 2007 for 64bit machines. All the Intel-Macs so far are 32bit. :x
 
Asus said:
I looked up some news posts and some say EFI support is delayed until the Server version of Vista (Longhorn) in early 2007 for 64bit machines. All the Intel-Macs so far are 32bit. :x
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well so far all the intel core duo's are
 
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