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I think everyone here can agree the US borders need some serious attention, especially the US/Mexico Border, yet congress and the Bush administration do nothing about the situation. Here is my idea:

!DISCLAIMER! The following is in jest, a joke. I in no way condone this idea.

Protecting The US-Mexico Border from Illegals while stimulating the econmy at the same time.

The border is 1,951 Miles and is the busiest in the world. 1 mile= 5280 feet. 1951 miles = 10,301,280 feet.

My idea is to place a pillbox or a machine gun nest every 500 yards along the border.

500 yards = 1500 feet. 10,301,280 / 1500 = 6867.52 500 yard increments, round that up to 6,868.

So, one machine gun nest or pillbox per 500 yards equals 6,868 machine gun nests total.

A M19 fully automatic grenade launcher costs $80,000. Or so I was told when I was in the marines. Lets say 80,000 is the price ceiling for each weapon along the border.

6,868 * 80,000 = $549,440,000 for the cost of the guns.

Lets assume each pillbox has to have 5,000 rounds at $1 each.

$5,000 * 6868 = $34,340,000

Lets assume each pillox costs $10,000 to build suitably for two pepole.

$10,000 * 6868 = $68,680,000

Establishment cost for each bunker would be $652,460,000. Sixhundred fiftytwo million, fourhundred sixty thousand dollars.

6 People have to be employed per pillbox, 2 for every 8 hours. This is a crappy job and would probably be military. Lets say a $20,000/year salary for each person.

6 * $20,000 per person, per year = $120,000 per pillbox, per year. 6868 * 120,000 = $824,160,000/year for 41,208 people.

Lets say there is one superviser per 30 people or every 5 pillboxes. That person gets paid $35,000/year.

41,208 / 30 = 1373.6 or 1374 supervisors. $48,090,000/ year for 1374 supervisor's salary.

Because they is no way to tell how much upkeep and meals cost for each person lets say the cost is $200 million for other yearly upkeep like more bullets, facility repair, and compensation for hurt employees.

824,160,000 for workers + 48,090,000 for supervisors + 200 million for other stuff = 1,072,250,000 yearly upkeep.


Initial cost would be $652,460,00 or if we rounded up, 700 million dollars. Yearly upkeep would be 1,072,250,000 rounded up to 1.08 billion dollars yearly.


Now then using this source here, http://www.dslextreme.com/users/surferslim/text1.html, the speculate between 1 and 3 million illegal immigrants cross the border each year.

Lets say at the most, if we could apprehend tham all and send them back it would cost $500 per person to deport, for room and board, food, whatever else they need in "humanitarian aid.

500 * 3,000,000 = 1,500,000,000. That is 1.5 billion dollars annually. I am not doing the math on the people that were deported and then came back again.

After two years, enough money woul be saved to justify the install ment cost of $700 million for the pillboxes. After that almost 500 million dollars would be saved and could be spent elsewhere.


Now then, I don't advocate this at all. This idea is barbaric. I just felt like doing the math on it all to see how much money we could save if we did this.



Mine fields.

I am not good at geometry, so this might be wrong. Please correct me if it is.

I have no idea how much mines cost, probably not too much, but lets say $300 each. Lets say the field would be 1,951 miles long by 100 yards across. 10,301,280 * 300 feet = area. Area - length x width. A = 3,090,384,000 square feet. 3,090,384,000 / 3 = 1,030,128,000 square yards. Lets say there is one mine for every square yard. $309,038,400,000 or $310 billion one time cost. You also have to figure int he labor to load the planes with 1 billion mines and the fuel for the planes to fly over and drop them all. No telling what that is.
 
hmmm kill poor people because they want a better life ...ya that's a good idea :upstare:

personally you should build a giant wall ...start on the canada-US border
 
Yeah, it could be like the Great Wall of China, only longer and with steel re-inforced concrete! That would be one in the eye for those damn chink commies :O
 
CptStern said:
hmmm kill poor people because they want a better life ...ya that's a good idea :upstare:

personally you should build a giant wall ...start on the canada-US border


I think the plan would act as a deterrance more than anything. Would you cross he border if you knew fully auto grenade launchers would blow you to smitherines?
 
Bodacious said:
I think the plan would act as a deterrance more than anything. Would you cross he border if you knew fully auto grenade launchers would blow you to smitherines?

Do you wonder why some people tend to ignore your views.

You've posted, on the politics forum, a 'joke' about how much it would cost to place machine guns and mine fields on Americas borders to deter illegal immigrants crossing the border.

What would happen if I posted a thread: "How to stop terrorism: Well, if nukes cost x amount of dollars we could buy them and drop them all over America and then the terrorists would be happy and we'd all live in peace." I'd be a total cretin, which it what this thread makes you in my eyes.

I'm amazed it hasn't been locked yet.
 
Bodacious said:
I think the plan would act as a deterrance more than anything. Would you cross he border if you knew fully auto grenade launchers would blow you to smitherines?

if it meant my family might get something to eat, yes
 
You would need to fill the pillboxes with soldiers that wouldn't mind blowing up men, women and children who are just wanting a better life. How many of the men and women in the Us Army would do that?
 
ever seen the footage of people being shot by guards on the berlin wall as they try to cross into the west ...harrowing stuff. You wouldnt want to be compared that now would you?
 
Lemonking said:
god damn Stern u seem to know everything
He does, the problem is Republicans ignore that fact :).

I honestly love how badly Republicans want to close the border; I assume they are the ones that want to take over the jobs these people are doing :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:.
 
No Limit said:
He does, the problem is Republicans ignore that fact :).

I honestly love how badly Republicans want to close the border; I assume they are the ones that want to take over the jobs these people are doing :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:.

I'm republican and don't see the need for the border to be closed.
 
Raziaar said:
I'm republican and don't see the need for the border to be closed.
Then try to get the rest of your party to go along with you.
 
we need it more than you do ..stop the influx of guns

Can you post anywhere without bringing up your current rant against the US? It get's old quick.
 
I honestly love how badly Republicans want to close the border

Aren't the Dems blaming Bush, a republican, for being so lax with border control? Doesn't Bush, a Republican, want to make it so illegal migrants and get drivers licences amoung other benifits? Aren't the democrats the biggest opposition to this plan?
 
burner69 said:
What would happen if I posted a thread: "How to stop terrorism: Well, if nukes cost x amount of dollars we could buy them and drop them all over America and then the terrorists would be happy and we'd all live in peace." I'd be a total cretin, which it what this thread makes you in my eyes.

I'm amazed it hasn't been locked yet.


Post whatever you want. How much does a nuclear weapon cost? How much area does one nuclear weapon detonation effect? How many people is one blast estimated to kill? I will do the math for you if you like.
 
CptStern said:
ever seen the footage of people being shot by guards on the berlin wall as they try to cross into the west ...harrowing stuff. You wouldnt want to be compared that now would you?


Where did I condone this idea? I put two disclaimers in my post.
 
I think some action needs to be taken to stop these illegals from swarming our borders. We need more personnel and better security fences. Build it just like a prison. Have towers and some really tough fences or concrete structures. My rule would be that if an illegal was caught in "no man's land" or between the fences, thats grounds to shoot or neutralize.
 
Raziaar said:
I'm republican and don't see the need for the border to be closed.


thank you for quoting No Limit's post and proving his ignorance.

Nor do I want the border closed. I support NAFTA. When the transnatinal highway is built my local economy will improve a great deal.
 
Militarize the border.

Obviously not to kill illegal immigrants, but it is FAR more effective at keeping a stretch of land like that than the border control. The force is desperately needed to combat the drug trade, too. Occasionally Mexican troops bribed by drug runners (Not under orders by the Mexican government or anything, but rogue and corrupt soldiers) will engage and open fire on Border Patrol agents to protect the routes.

I support legal immigration wholeheartedly, but not illegals who can (under the assbackwards legislation regarding welfare here) collect welfare checks and the welfare agency on contract is forbidden from reporting them to INS. Essentially the government is helping along crime, and the branches are in conflic with each other.
 
The way some of you are talking, why not just get Bush to invade Mexico and demolish the border all together?
 
Forget border control, why don't you just wait until they get into your country and then intern anyone who looks vaguely Latino in extermination camps? Figure out the profit for that.
You're an odd one, Bodacious. I think you need to rethink 'funny'.
 
Bodacious said:
I think everyone here can agree the US borders need some serious attention, especially the US/Mexico Border, yet congress and the Bush administration do nothing about the situation. Here is my idea:

!DISCLAIMER! The following is in jest, a joke. I in no way condone this idea.

Protecting The US-Mexico Border from Illegals while stimulating the econmy at the same time.

The border is 1,951 Miles and is the busiest in the world. 1 mile= 5280 feet. 1951 miles = 10,301,280 feet.

My idea is to place a pillbox or a machine gun nest every 500 yards along the border.

500 yards = 1500 feet. 10,301,280 / 1500 = 6867.52 500 yard increments, round that up to 6,868.

So, one machine gun nest or pillbox per 500 yards equals 6,868 machine gun nests total.

A M19 fully automatic grenade launcher costs $80,000. Or so I was told when I was in the marines. Lets say 80,000 is the price ceiling for each weapon along the border.

6,868 * 80,000 = $549,440,000 for the cost of the guns.

Lets assume each pillbox has to have 5,000 rounds at $1 each.

$5,000 * 6868 = $34,340,000

Lets assume each pillox costs $10,000 to build suitably for two pepole.

$10,000 * 6868 = $68,680,000

Establishment cost for each bunker would be $652,460,000. Sixhundred fiftytwo million, fourhundred sixty thousand dollars.

6 People have to be employed per pillbox, 2 for every 8 hours. This is a crappy job and would probably be military. Lets say a $20,000/year salary for each person.

6 * $20,000 per person, per year = $120,000 per pillbox, per year. 6868 * 120,000 = $824,160,000/year for 41,208 people.

Lets say there is one superviser per 30 people or every 5 pillboxes. That person gets paid $35,000/year.

41,208 / 30 = 1373.6 or 1374 supervisors. $48,090,000/ year for 1374 supervisor's salary.

Because they is no way to tell how much upkeep and meals cost for each person lets say the cost is $200 million for other yearly upkeep like more bullets, facility repair, and compensation for hurt employees.

824,160,000 for workers + 48,090,000 for supervisors + 200 million for other stuff = 1,072,250,000 yearly upkeep.


Initial cost would be $652,460,00 or if we rounded up, 700 million dollars. Yearly upkeep would be 1,072,250,000 rounded up to 1.08 billion dollars yearly.


Now then using this source here, http://www.dslextreme.com/users/surferslim/text1.html, the speculate between 1 and 3 million illegal immigrants cross the border each year.

Lets say at the most, if we could apprehend tham all and send them back it would cost $500 per person to deport, for room and board, food, whatever else they need in "humanitarian aid.

500 * 3,000,000 = 1,500,000,000. That is 1.5 billion dollars annually. I am not doing the math on the people that were deported and then came back again.

After two years, enough money woul be saved to justify the install ment cost of $700 million for the pillboxes. After that almost 500 million dollars would be saved and could be spent elsewhere.


Now then, I don't advocate this at all. This idea is barbaric. I just felt like doing the math on it all to see how much money we could save if we did this.



Mine fields.

I am not good at geometry, so this might be wrong. Please correct me if it is.

I have no idea how much mines cost, probably not too much, but lets say $300 each. Lets say the field would be 1,951 miles long by 100 yards across. 10,301,280 * 300 feet = area. Area - length x width. A = 3,090,384,000 square feet. 3,090,384,000 / 3 = 1,030,128,000 square yards. Lets say there is one mine for every square yard. $309,038,400,000 or $310 billion one time cost. You also have to figure int he labor to load the planes with 1 billion mines and the fuel for the planes to fly over and drop them all. No telling what that is.


Some caucasians... :rolleyes:

I say we should put up a sign saying "BEWARE OF THE WHITEMAN, FOR THEY HAVE SOME CRAZY WHITE PEOPLE! THEY'LL EAT YOU ALIVE! I'VE SEEN THEM DO IT. GO BACK OR FACE LA CHUPCARBE DE LOS BLANCOS!"


In all seriousness, I'm not sure how we could gain more control over the border of US/Mexico. Probably have to install a new migration system that offers better benefits while they are in the US for their limited time. Though, that wouldn't get rid of the problem entirely.
 
satch919 said:
I think some action needs to be taken to stop these illegals from swarming our borders. We need more personnel and better security fences. Build it just like a prison. Have towers and some really tough fences or concrete structures. My rule would be that if an illegal was caught in "no man's land" or between the fences, thats grounds to shoot or neutralize.
Read this "DANGEROUS BORDER Militias round up illegal immigrants in desert Migrant advocates say deceptive patrols increase peril, seldom face legal scrutiny" http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi f=/chronicle/archive/2004/05/31/MNGJ66TS9G1.DTL
 
and we'll use our slingshots and water cannons to bring you down!! ;)
 
still those guns gotta get in the wrong hands somehow ..stolen, legit ..doesnt matter ..most come from the US
 
Goddamit RZAL we were having fun. :LOL:

Cpt: Dam, you win. Don't make me bring out the bubble machine!


But back to RZAL, that has nothing to do with guns. It's a generalization of murders. Not all murders are carried out with guns, ya know. ;)

Regardless, my reason to thinking I should be permitted a CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) and NOT get treated like some sort of terrorist are most definitely not to stop murderers. Most remotely smart ones wouldn't attack someone out in the open where I could pluck a headshot on them. ;)

If you're worried about "accidents", keep in mind, for a specific time frame (which I forget), in the US, over 200 people were accidentally killed by police officers (which are SUPPOSED to be the best trained for this, short of negotiators), to 37 for all those that are permitted to openly or conceal a firearms.

I think I should be permitted pepperspray, or a taser. But they carry the same sentence as carrying a firearm.
 
firemachine69 said:
But back to RZAL, that has nothing to do with guns. It's a generalization of murders. Not all murders are carried out with guns, ya know. ;)
Ah yea I have been debating that very fact with Stern, nor are they only carried out with illegal guns from America.

CptStern said:
still those guns gotta get in the wrong hands somehow ..stolen, legit ..doesnt matter ..most come from the US
Post it here http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=64981&page=30&pp=15

firemachine69 said:
Regardless, my reason to thinking I should be permitted a CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon) and NOT get treated like some sort of terrorist are most definitely not to stop murderers. Most remotely smart ones wouldn't attack someone out in the open where I could pluck a headshot on them. ;)
So you support CCW? Guess what me to, I have been debating that very fact with Stern.

firemachine69 said:
If you're worried about "accidents", keep in mind, for a specific time frame (which I forget), in the US, over 200 people were accidentally killed by police officers (which are SUPPOSED to be the best trained for this, short of negotiators), to 37 for all those that are permitted to openly or conceal a firearms.
No I’m not the one who is worried about accidents. Where did you find the stats for accidental police shootings?

firemachine69 said:
I think I should be permitted pepperspray, or a taser. But they carry the same sentence as carrying a firearm.
I think you should be able to protect yourself also. We are way off topic here if you would like to discuss it more post here http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=64981&page=30&pp=15

I apologize for the misunderstanding.
 
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