Britain's well crap innit

Unfortunately it's also written by pansies for pansies (and students with Che Guevara t-shirts who think they have all the answers).
 
It's not nearly on the same level as the Daily Mail. My parents get it sometimes (and disparage it) so I read it when I'm back home. I've only occasionally read it and thought "wow, that's a blatant misapprehension of the issue" (eg it once made terror raids sound distinctly stalinist) whereas you think that all the time reading the daily mail as long as your political alignment is prefixed with 'sensible'.

The things that get my goat about it are some of the annoying columnists and the hypocrisy of harping on about the environment in a fairly ineffectual way while advertising package holidays and air travel.
 
Sulkdodds said:
It's not nearly on the same level as the Daily Mail. My parents get it sometimes (and disparage it) so I read it when I'm back home. I've only occasionally read it and thought "wow, that's a blatant misapprehension of the issue" (eg it once made terror raids sound distinctly stalinist) whereas you think that all the time reading the daily mail as long as your political alignment is prefixed with 'sensible'.

The things that get my goat about it are some of the annoying columnists and the hypocrisy of harping on about the environment in a fairly ineffectual way while advertising package holidays and air travel.
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No, it's not on the same level as the Daily Mail, but like the Mail, it's also a tabloid pretending to be a broadsheet. Written by pseudo-intellectual hippies and terrorist apologists, full to the core of anti-Western/anti-capitalist bias.
Unlike the Mail, it has a respectable image that is completely unwarranted. Similar to the BBC, which has become incredibly biased in recent years.

Actually the most intelligent and sensible news source I've found to date is MSN UK. The Telegraph also has some very good articles/blog posts quite frequently.
 
It has been awarded the National Newspaper of the Year in 1999 and 2006 by the British Press Awards, as well as being co-winner of the World's Best-designed Newspaper as awarded by the Society for News Design (2006). The Guardian Unlimited website won the Best Newspaper category two years running in the 2005 and 2006 Webby Awards, beating (in 2005) the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal and Variety.[8] It has been the winner for six years in a row of the British Press Awards for Best Electronic Daily Newspaper.[9] The site won an Eppy award from the US-based magazine Editor & Publisher in 2000 for the best-designed newspaper online service.[10] The website is known for its commentary on sporting events, particularly its over-by-over cricket commentary.

In 2007 it was ranked first in a study on transparency which analysed 25 mainstream English-language media vehicles, and which was conducted by the prestigious International Center for Media and the Public Agenda of the University of Maryland. It got a nearly perfect score.
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http://www.icmpa.umd.edu/pages/studies/transparency/main.html

The guardian is one the best and most reliable newspapers in the world, I'm glad it is, along with other newssources that have regularly been proven to be trustworthy and unbiased, considered left wing.
 
Doesn't MSN UK just rip proper news articles off Reuters?

But they do their own analysis of what's happening in celebrities lives.
 
Gray Fox said:
http://www.icmpa.umd.edu/pages/studies/transparency/main.html

The guardian is one the best and most reliable newspapers in the world, I'm glad it is, along with other newssources that have regularly been proven to be trustworthy and unbiased, considered left wing.
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I don't care what the study says, the Guardian is an unbridled socialist mouthpiece.
As peoples' opinion of the BBC as well as various other publications proves, left-wing newspapers are frequently considered in error to be "trustworthy and unbiased", when they are anything but. The bias just tends to be more subtle and duplicitous - with the BBC, it's the news they don't report, the phrases they use, and the kind of topics they emphasise.
 
kirovman said:
Doesn't MSN UK just rip proper news articles off Reuters?

But they do their own analysis of what's happening in celebrities lives.
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I don't read Reuters, so I guess I wouldn't know. Their political and motoring articles are always interesting, as are their columnists.
 
Nemesis6 said:
Hopefully that's an exageration...? I know there are a lot of Polish people, but jeez...
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Well, some people do sell Coca Cola that was imported all the way from Turkey :p

I think the Carbon Footprint problem can be found at your local newsagents :dozey:
 
repiV said:
Unfortunately it's also written by pansies for pansies (and students with Che Guevara t-shirts who think they have all the answers).
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I love the ideological irony of buying a mass produced commercial product with the likeness of one of socialisms greatest supporters and fighters on it.


repiV said:
No, it's not on the same level as the Daily Mail, but like the Mail, it's also a tabloid pretending to be a broadsheet. Written by pseudo-intellectual hippies and terrorist apologists, full to the core of anti-Western/anti-capitalist bias.
Unlike the Mail, it has a respectable image that is completely unwarranted. Similar to the BBC, which has become incredibly biased in recent years.

Actually the most intelligent and sensible news source I've found to date is MSN UK. The Telegraph also has some very good articles/blog posts quite frequently.
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I just read The Times.

Seems about as impartial as it gets, well, thats my opinion anyway. I like news to be reported, not given as an opinion piece.
 
Here's what pisses me off most about Britain (so sit up and pay a-bloody-ttention, dammit):
The hordes of sanctimonious, blinkered, one-dimensional bores who revel in complaining about how the country's going to the dogs.
We Brits are a cynical people at the best of times and this isn't always a bad thing (in fact it's often A Good Thing), but it leads to these heart-stoppingly dreary bastards whose sole source of relief involves clambering atop one's high-horse (which are invariably stratospherically high) bemoaning some (or every) aspect of society and actively avoiding any good news or semblance of rational thought.
Well done, you've done our nation proud!

I've not got my head in the clouds; I know this country has some large problems but it's mentally exhausting listening to people bang on and on as they do.
Plus their solutions are usually either poorly thought through (often to the point of being infeasible), draconian, not based in the real world or conspicuous by their absence.

Most of the time I try and be tolerant - their views may be wrong, but they're still entitled to them I suppose - but sometimes I just wish the tabloids ran a story about how repeatedly smacking yourself around your face with a claw hammer will banish all the Eastern Europeans from the country and bring Madeleine McCann back to life and into Downing Street.

/Rant ends

I love that Viz Suggestion Box that read: "Daily Mail editors - confuse your readers by telling them that immigrants are the natural predators of paedophiles."
 
el Chi said:
Here's what pisses me off most about Britain (so sit up and pay a-bloody-ttention, dammit):
The hordes of sanctimonious, blinkered, one-dimensional bores who revel in complaining about how the country's going to the dogs.
We Brits are a cynical people at the best of times and this isn't always a bad thing (in fact it's often A Good Thing), but it leads to these heart-stoppingly dreary bastards whose sole source of relief involves clambering atop one's high-horse (which are invariably stratospherically high) bemoaning some (or every) aspect of society and actively avoiding any good news or semblance of rational thought.
Well done, you've done our nation proud!

I've not got my head in the clouds; I know this country has some large problems but it's mentally exhausting listening to people bang on and on as they do.
Plus their solutions are usually either poorly thought through (often to the point of being infeasible), draconian, not based in the real world or conspicuous by their absence.

Most of the time I try and be tolerant - their views may be wrong, but they're still entitled to them I suppose - but sometimes I just wish the tabloids ran a story about how repeatedly smacking yourself around your face with a claw hammer will banish all the Eastern Europeans from the country and bring Madeleine McCann back to life and into Downing Street.

/Rant ends

I love that Viz Suggestion Box that read: "Daily Mail editors - confuse your readers by telling them that immigrants are the natural predators of paedophiles."
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You must love the crapfest that is the BBC's Have Your Say, then.
 
Llama said:
As a question from me, if 97% of buyers are priced out of the market, where are they all going? Why hasn't the market collapsed laready from a lack of anyone being able to afford housing?
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97% of first time buyers Llama. If you've a foot already on the property ladder then your in a better position to get a mortgage. The majority of sales are coming from people looking at the property as an investment through buy to let (they buy and let to tenants) who are working on the basis that in a few years the value of the property will have gone up considerably. It's been far more profitable to invest in a property over the last 10 - 15 years than it has to buy shares or anything. Right now because of the sub prime mortgage collapse in America, and the resultant panic, as a first time buyer you can probably expect you bank to demand you front up 30% of the mortgage before they will grant you one. No 100% mortgages going on at present.
 
The most annoying thing for me living in the north of England (Newcastle , originaly from Glasgow in Scotland) is that when I am looking for a mortage on a house, say around 100,000 they say we can only give you around 80,000 and I'm on 18,000 how is a guy like me supposed to get on the ladder, wait for some old reletive to die and get there money, not gonna happen in a long while. Its so hard right now people are even using there credit cards to pay there monthly mortages its a sad thing.
Something needs to be done to re-address the balance.
 
el Chi said:
Here's what pisses me off most about Britain (so sit up and pay a-bloody-ttention, dammit):
The hordes of sanctimonious, blinkered, one-dimensional bores who revel in complaining about how the country's going to the dogs.
We Brits are a cynical people at the best of times and this isn't always a bad thing (in fact it's often A Good Thing), but it leads to these heart-stoppingly dreary bastards whose sole source of relief involves clambering atop one's high-horse (which are invariably stratospherically high) bemoaning some (or every) aspect of society and actively avoiding any good news or semblance of rational thought.
Well done, you've done our nation proud!

I've not got my head in the clouds; I know this country has some large problems but it's mentally exhausting listening to people bang on and on as they do.
Plus their solutions are usually either poorly thought through (often to the point of being infeasible), draconian, not based in the real world or conspicuous by their absence.

Most of the time I try and be tolerant - their views may be wrong, but they're still entitled to them I suppose - but sometimes I just wish the tabloids ran a story about how repeatedly smacking yourself around your face with a claw hammer will banish all the Eastern Europeans from the country and bring Madeleine McCann back to life and into Downing Street.

/Rant ends

I love that Viz Suggestion Box that read: "Daily Mail editors - confuse your readers by telling them that immigrants are the natural predators of paedophiles."
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Agreed.. I'm sick of whinging about immigrants most of all - they actually help our economy :|
 
Crawley's a horror for people like that. I actually know several people who always say "Ethnics" when referring to asian folk, and they always do it in a whispered tone, as if THE ETHNICS ARE GOING TO TAKE THEM AWAY AND APPLY LIBERAL (rather than conservative) BEATINGS!

-Angry Lawyer
 
Angry Lawyer said:
Crawley's a horror for people like that. I actually know several people who always say "Ethnics" when referring to asian folk, and they always do it in a whispered tone, as if THE ETHNICS ARE GOING TO TAKE THEM AWAY AND APPLY LIBERAL (rather than conservative) BEATINGS!

-Angry Lawyer
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I've only seen that on Have Your Say, and then it's "These so-called ethnics"

Oh well, it's good to see that racists are adhering to politically correct doctorine. I guess it's a tickbox on one of Labour's quotas.
 
The only bad things I can see about Britain from abroad are - The Chavs, and the fact that you label Pakistanis/Indians/Bangladeshis/Arabs as "Asians"... It must be very confusing for you guys when you read the newspapers and it opens with the text "Two local Asians have opened a new store at ...." -- Well, gee? Chinamen? Japanese? Koreans? I don't know about you, but when I think Asians, it's the Sinitic-speaking countries. Now, you can deal with this if you just injected some common sense into those middle-class heads of yours, but the Chavs, well, they're kind of sort of the horrible bastard child of your welfare system. Let's see if this ugly phenomenon disapp... Wait a minute! Don't you have to culturally sensitive toward them, too? Correct me here please -- It's the BBC who don't want to use the "C" word, isn't it?
 
repiV said:
Unfortunately it's also written by pansies for pansies (and students with Che Guevara t-shirts who think they have all the answers).
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Having all the answers is different from having an answer to everything.
 
Belgium reigns supreme. If you do not concur, you will be stuffed with high-quality chocolate and beer until you suffocate.
 
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Its OK, normally it's pretty entertaining. Its size and global position has always been useful for trade and the economy. We have a good history of eccentrics and innovators. You have good times and bad times like anywhere though.

When I travel to the continent (Europe), I always feel like giving it a shot living there however.
 
People I know from the countries you mentioned all consider themselves Asian. I'll go by their interpretation rather than yours thanks.
 
Well said, Eejit.
It's interesting that a lot of people who bemoan "politically correct" terms for social/racial groups don't seem to have even considered the possibility that these terms are being used because that's what the communities in question want.
They just seem to get all uppity because "wogs" isn't an ethnic option on a national census.
ComradeBadger said:
Agreed.. I'm sick of whinging about immigrants most of all - they actually help our economy :|
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Not to mention the fact that, if all immigrants were deported, the NHS would collapse overnight.
 
Doppelgofer said:
grim weather, binge drinking and yob culture is all that keeps us going. we drive on the left side of the road and speak like we can't be assed with anything aswell

each day i pick up the paper, all i read is misery about how some bloke got glassed in a shite house of a nightclub or some granny got run over by a super rapist-paedo farmer on the run or whatever you want

i was speaking to some lass who's living/working over here but comes from perth in aussy originally and she agreed with me that every bugger here is so uptight. life goes by too quick here, its manic

be nice if we all just calmed down a bit, took a deep breath and put the 8 pack of kestrel super lager down in exchange for a nice cup of tea and a biscuit

thats another thing while i'm here, i don't think theres anything better than a sit down and a cuppa. balls to going out, bit of music and some tetleys goes down a treat for me
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To be honest, you're right. It really is f*cked up. There's really nothing great about Engaldn, and there's far too much shit around to not be constantly depressed.
But well, that's life.

And half of it is just your perception. Life in half of the other places in the world are not much better, and you'd soon start complaining about anywhere else that you lived - now that's true British for you. There are problems here, but then there are problems all over the world. Our media hypes things up way too much, and as far as they're concerned, it's the end of the world and has been for the past twenty years. If you went back in time any number of years, then no doubt people would be complaining about something else or someone else.

For a part I agree with you, though. There are far too many chavs and far too many people getting pissed for my liking. They're just morons and represent the worst of us. But it's depressing how the worst of us are in the majority. Just going on the metro through Manchester last weekend and it just depressed me how many people without any lack of decency there were. I'd far prefer someone who was "uptight" than likely to bash my skull in or mug someone's gran.

But then I know from personal experience that it's not all like that. At times I think the whole world is about to collapse in a moral demise, but then I realise it's only in certain places. Some of the suburbs of Manchester are OK, for a start, and there are some fairly nice communities outside the ones where people are boarding up their windows. And in Cambridge (and I believe Oxford is similar), life is almost bliss, it's so different. There are even parts of Birmingham that are decent! It appears that the socially defficient people cluster together in like packs, especially nearer the center of large cities.

But meh, maybe it'll brighten up one day.
 
el Chi said:
Not to mention the fact that, if all immigrants were deported, the NHS would collapse overnight.
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Shows how well thought out the NHS is, in any competently run country we wouldn't need a flow of immigrants to keep things running.
 
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