British National Party Controversy

[Dynasty]

Okay, these guys SERIOUSLY need to be burned.

Now, as a sort of heads up on myself, I AM british, but dont consider myself to fall into the category of whatever people percieve brits to be. You know, the people that are so cockny it looks like it hurts, with the stupid accents, have an obsession over football and drink 'Stella'...

Anyway, I heard about this new debate opened by the BNP and I literally almost crashed my car in a wave of disbelief and anger.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/the_p_word/newsid_10000000/newsid_10002000/10002087.stm This is essentially the interview I heard on Radio 1 on the way home.

What they were essentially debating is that its not okay for Britain to conform to the multicultural beliefs etc that people bring when they enter our country, find work etc etc. The idea that as long as they live by our laws, pay into society yada yada yada then all is well. Which is partly fair enough I guess.

But THIS part drove me insane.

If everybody integrated it would take away everybody's identity...I would be upset if there were no more giant pandas, I'd be upset if there were no more lions, if there were no more tigers, so equally I'd be upset if white people weren't here any more

Now im sorry, but WTF!?

And

If I went to live and work in another country, then I would still adhere by their culture and they should adhere by ours

Okay...for the vast majority of people I see from britain abroad (as I travel alot), they DONT conform. British people abroad are quite simply the way they are here in the UK; arguably THE rudest and almost DEFINITELY the most racist group of people youll ever come across. The kind of people that will go out and beat/kill anyone from Holland because the Dutch ref on a football game made a '***king bad call you Dutch **nt!*

This is just adding fuel to the stereotype of Britain in my opinion. About how Brits cant stand people coming into their country, but want to go everywhere else. Its COMPLETELY pathetic.

Now yes this is a rant against my 'fellow' Brits, but god damn it im SO embaressed to say im British these days. This country is full of scum, and the people that come in as far as im concerned who are actually TRYING to get jobs and arent living off the government are more praisable than the people living here already. Just look at the stats of teenage pregnancies in this country, they should all be lined up and shot.

BNP want to force out the people who have been here for '5 minutes' over the people that have been here for '40,000 years'? I say its the other way around.

Trim the herd and get some respect back to this country.

 

[Bob_Marley]

When arn't the BNP beign controverisal? Its basically the only thing that keeps the party going.

And you're from the South West, so yes, you have go a stupid accent. You also drink cider and drive a combine to work.

 

[xdrive]

Tbh there is nothing wrong with being anti-multiculturalism. Instantly when you say that to people they say "You're racist" Just because you are a anti-multiculuturlist. I am all for a multi-race country, but i want a mono culture country.

This is basically the views of these parties. The uk has an identity, america has an identity. These are called cultures. When a country becomes multi culture, the identity (culture) of that country all of a sudden has to move aside for the other cultures to fit in and one day that culture might even get pushed out all together. That's what people are worried about. That's why people come off as racist. If you come to a country, you should fit into there culture, don't bring your culture, if you want to keep your culture stay in your own country, where that culture is. I think multi multiculturalism is a failed concept.

As for this

I'd be upset if white people weren't here any more

That is a fair statement. It's the human instinct to want to live with your own race.

 

[Sulkdodds]

When arn't the BNP beign controverisal? Its basically the only thing that keeps the party going.

Yeah, I dunno if this is worth a thread or what will change since the last BNP thread, which asked a more specific question...

This is basically the views of these parties

Well, not quite. This party in particular is explicitly racist, no matter how much it protests otherwise - as testified by its retarded "if white people direct racist violence against black people that's the black people's fault" logic. Even where racism isn't present, such parties tend not to actually look descriptively at what British 'identity' might actually be, or to acknowledge the possibility that there are many different British identities on equal footing (class-based, regional, religious...) but instead invent prescriptively the version of Britishness that they believe should be true.

 

[xdrive]

Yeah, I dunno if this is worth a thread or what will change since the last BNP thread, which asked a more specific question...

Well, not quite. This party in particular is explicitly racist, no matter how much it protests otherwise - as testified by its retarded "if white people direct racist violence against black people that's the black people's fault" logic. Even where racism isn't present, such parties tend not to actually look descriptively at what British 'identity' might actually be, or to acknowledge the possibility that there are many different British identities on equal footing (class-based, regional, religious...) but instead invent prescriptively the version of Britishness that they believe should be true.

Hmm, i am not really sure about the BNP. I was just going off what the same kind of parties in australia have. I am involved in one Australian nationalist party.

 

[Sulkdodds]

As I said, to be a nationalist is never to objectively look at what your country is like, to never actually defend and champion a real national identity, but always but always to invent, create, restrict, elide, and constantly maintain a specific and exclusive 'national' identity.

 

[FishBulb]

If you come to a country, you should fit into there culture, don't bring your culture, if you want to keep your culture stay in your own country, where that culture is.

Location: Melbourne, Australia

So you adhere and fit into Aboriginal culture very well, do you?

 

[15357]

.............. Interesting. The streotypical brit that we perceive over here is a polite gentleman, sometimes condescending, but without meaning it.


Anyway, I'm quite anti-multicultural, mainly because I'm worried that I might offend someone.

 

[The Monkey]

Right-wing populist parties have started popping up all over Europe in the last 20 years due to the electorate becoming more mobile. Young men from the working class who previously voted on a form of labour party now turn to the far right. But don't worry, the pluralist electoral system of the UK is designed to prevent minor parties from getting real power, so these people wont have much to say in parliament, even if they get a substantial support from the electorate.

 

[xdrive]

So you adhere and fit into Aboriginal culture very well, do you?

Yep. Even though you can't really argue that. That card is played alot in these types of discussion.

Aboriginals were primitive, australia was colonized as were all the other countries that had native tribes. The australian identity today is based alot on aboriginal culture. 80% of the towns and cities in australia have aboriginal names. Part of our language is taken from the aboriginal language, Aboriginal heritage plays a bit part in the australian identity. Aboriginals are called Australian aboriginals.

 

[FishBulb]

I'm not talking about Australia in general. I'm talking about you, as an individual, as per your statement.

 

[xdrive]

I'm not talking about Australia in general. I'm talking about you, as an individual, as per your statement.

Well, i can't really adhere to the aboriginal culture because it doesn't have that much of a presence tbh, there isn't that much to adhere too that i am not already practicing if you get what i mean. you should know this, you live in australia.

The aborigenal culture is the australian culture.

 

[FishBulb]

So you want Aboriginal culture to be the mono-culture we should all abide by as Australians?

 

[Bob_Marley]

One could argue that theres actually more than one nation within Australia and that this australian national party is actually acting in the interest of the european decended australian nation. Nations, unlike states, are not tied to a particular piece of land. Look at Serbians, for example, the historical Serbian homeland is actually the Kosovo region, which is currently full of Albanians and most Serbs live in other areas, yet the Serbian nation still exists.

Additionally, one could question as to whether aboriginals are now the dominant nation within Australia and so if it is actually relevent to fit in with aboriginal culture in modern day Australia or if the european decended australian culture is now dominant. For example, England. The native English ceaced to exist centuries ago, replaced with a mongrel mix of German, French, Nordic and God knows what else, making fiting in with native english culture irrelevent in today's situation as it is no longer dominant.

 

[AtomicSpark]

Different Human "races" are more like breads of dogs then different animal species. Just thought I'd point that out.

 

[xdrive]

So you want Aboriginal culture to be the mono-culture we should all abide by as Australians?

The aboriginal culture is the Australian culture. When Australia was born, the aboriginal culture and a new culture was mixed to create the Australian Culture for the new country that was founded.

You can't really adhere to the aboriginal culture because the aboriginal culture has been intergrated into a new culture the australian culture. I can't put it in any other simpler way, you being australian should know this stuff.

Like i said, you really can't play this "the aboriginals were here first, we should abid by there culture" card. What we now call australia ,was colonized, the Aboriginal culture and the english culture were mixed together to form the australian culture. Every country has it's own culture.

once again, the aborigenal culture, is the australian culture.

Additionally, one could question as to whether aboriginals are now the dominant nation within Australia and so if it is actually relevent to fit in with aboriginal culture in modern day Australia or if the european decended australian culture is now dominant. For example, England. The native English ceaced to exist centuries ago, replaced with a mongrel mix of German, French, Nordic and God knows what else, making fiting in with native english culture irrelevent in today's situation as it is no longer dominant.

That's what i am basically trying to say except the aboriginal culture is not gone, it's merged with the european culture to form the australian culture, we all now live under. All aboriginals and all europeans live under the australian culture.

 

[FishBulb]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. What's this new culture? We don't want no new cultures. If you want to practice that new culture, stay in the country that culture came from.

How much of Aboriginal culture was retained when this "new culture" was created? Town/city names and recognition of heritage do not constitute culture.

cul?ture [kuhl-cher]
5. the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group

I assure you, Aboriginal culture was not "mixed" with European culture, that would imply the cultures are of close to equal stature which they are clearly not.

 

[jimbo118]

''Joey and Mark think England footballer Ashley Cole isn't ethnically British''

Jealous of his missus methinks.

 

[xdrive]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. What's this new culture? We don't want no new cultures. If you want to practice that new culture, stay in the country that culture came from.

How much of Aboriginal culture was retained when this "new culture" was created? Town/city names and recognition of heritage do not constitute culture.

I assure you, Aboriginal culture was not "mixed" with European culture, that would imply the cultures are of close to equal stature which they are clearly not.

I disagree with what you saying. When Australia became a country, a new culture was created. The Australian culture. Before Australia was a country, there was no country here. only aboriginal native tribes, that lived in primitive ways. I follow the australian culture and so does the aboriginals, they accept the fact that there land was colonized, a country was created and there culture and the european culture was merged together to create the australian culture.

No matter what, what we call australia today was going to get settled, if not by the english, by the french by anyone else. Every bit of land in the word was colonized, and a country was born. That country when born, got a culture, even if it had a native culture.

Tbh, i am shocked that you can not understand this and i am shocked that i have to keep explaining this to you.
But i would just like to say this is a very hard thing to explain to someone, it's also very hard to write what i want to actually say and what point i want to actually get across.

Once again, you can't really play the "aboriginals were here first card" while talking about these kinds of things. We are talking about cultures after the world has been colonized. Everyone country has a culture now, and that countries culture should stay the same.

 

[13LACKBISHOP]

I'd be upset if white people weren't here any more

I don't get the point of this. There are plenty of British black people. What's skin colour got to do with ANYTHING. Can't we all just get along.

 

[The Monkey]

I disagree with what you saying. When Australia became a country, a new culture was created. The Australian culture. Before Australia was a country, there was no country here. only aboriginal native tribes, that lived in primitive ways. I follow the australian culture and so does the aboriginals, they accept the fact that there land was colonized, a country was created and there culture and the european culture was merged together to create the australian culture.

No matter what, what we call australia today was going to get settled, if not by the english, by the french by anyone else. Every bit of land in the word was colonized, and a country was born. That country when born, got a culture, even if it had a native culture.

Tbh, i am shocked that you can not understand this and i am shocked that i have to keep explaining this to you.
But i would just like to say this is a very hard thing to explain to someone, it's also very hard to write what i want to actually say and what point i want to actually get across.

Once again, you can't really play the "aboriginals were here first card" while talking about these kinds of things. We are talking about cultures after the world has been colonized. Everyone country has a culture now, and that countries culture should stay the same.

But you make it sound as though the Aboriginal culture (which is stupid to speak of, BTW, as the continent was made up of not one but thousands of different Aboriginal cultures which had little or no contact with each other) contributed as much to the Australian culture as the British one, when this clearly isn't the case.