Bush condones Israels action..

[Korgoth]

Yeah, to support the palestinian people does not mean you support militants, people need to get over that. I support the plight of all people involved, Israeli and Palestinian, no one group deserves that land over another. God I pray this doesn't spiral out of control. I will not die for Israel.

 

[Korgoth]

http://today.reuters.com/News/newsA...204402Z_01_L11538533_RTRUKOC_0_US-MIDEAST.xml

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Israel killed at least 34 civilians on Saturday, including 15 children, in air strikes meant to punish Lebanon for letting Hizbollah guerrillas menace the Jewish state's northern border....


At least 103 people, all but four of them civilians, have been killed in Israel's four-day-old assault, which has choked Lebanon's economy and prompted tourists and foreigners to flee.

Oh yes, defense measures, huh? You are a disgusting human if you support this reaction.

The European Union, in a statement at the G8 summit, said Israel's assault on Lebanon was disproportionate.

^ Agreed.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Some valid points you have there Daman. Though i must say i dont agree with all of them:
I personally support the borders of 1948, since the areas declared as Israel by the UN, we're Jewish areas, formed by Israeli's who "belonged there", and fought off the Brits and Arabs.
Imo its more of a seperatist situation than anything else. Kind of like a "Taiwan-China".
The reason its so sensitive is because there is a religious barrier. It doesnt exactly help if both religions have insanely holy places in that same land :S

Due to the wars in which the arabic countries united to destroy israel, the israeli borders expanded for strategic reasons i guess=> this i do not support.
Here is another way of looking at it:

--The war mongor loses--
When the Germans attacked my country in World War 2, they killed hundreds of thousands of people, and stole everything they could carry. When they lost the war, they lost almost half of their country to Poland, and some parts to Holland etc.
We gave the land back to the Germans in the 70's, but Poland did not.
Germany lost alot of land due to waging wars...

--Seperatists---
When Belgium seperated from Holland in 1830, there was alot of fuss about land, we for instance traded Limburg for Antwerpen (lol) etc.

To cut a long story short
Countries seperate all the time, countries also lose land when they wage wars (the Arabic nations tried several times, and lost). I'm not saying its right, i'm trying to point out this is nothing more than a dirty religious war, since a religious barrier has always been the cause for such shitholes in the past (like the whole Katholics + Protestants issue in Ireland which was also claimed to be about "land").

I've visited Israel many times, and seen the Palestinian areas, even the northern areas of Lebannon and what i've noticed is that the people are no different, the only difference is the religion, which is the sad part.
Its funny Israeli Arabs (muslims living in Israel accepting israel) live together with Israeli's and there's not much problem there => its not like the Jews "kicked out all the arabs".

The post is a bit messy sorry for that, but i hope its still a bit "clear"

As for the international law part. International law is being broken by the Palestinians too.
Geneva convention clearly states there must always be a clear line between civilians and fighting forces.
This rule is there to prevent harm being drawn to civilians.
The Palestinians (especially Hamas but back in the day Arafat and the Palestinian authorities too) love to mix this to the extent that even children become armed forces.
Its then not really fair to shove that blame only on the Israeli's.
Especially when these civilians act as suicide terrorists and target Israeli civilians (also against international law).
It looks more like a civil war to me

I personally would support the Palestinians alot more than i currently do, if they would refrain from indoctrinating their own children, and breeding generations of mindless hatefull youth, along with sending women and children to their deaths in suicide attacks.
Then posing on TV as if they have "nothing to do with the suicide attacks" when funds have been traced back to the PA and Arafat.

As for the occupying nation part, the Oslo Accords in '93 accepted Israel, which Hamas (currently at power) does not.

Israel's existance is legit and even accepted by the PA, though some of the areas are not (and are occupied), which is where i do agree with you

 

[Kadayi]

The worst thing the UN ever did was recreate the state of Israel. Nothing good has ever come of it. The Israelis seem hell bent of destroying themselves and dragging the rest of the world into the WW3 as a result. That the USA persists in supporting the actions of a nation that breaks international law with impunity beggars belief.

 

[JellyWorld]

I never understood the Geneva convention... Rules for War? That's like regulating street gang fights, they shouldnt be happening in the first place.

 

[15357]

Well, War is like soccer, just a bit more bloody.




You have to play by the rules, otherwise it ain't any fun.

 

[ríomhaire]

Christ this is horrible. I wish our polititions would get backbones enought to stop American fighter planes refuel here.

 

[15357]

Christ this is horrible. I wish our politicians would grow a backbone and build more US military sites.

 

[DEATH eVADER]

What if the kidnappers were actually CIA operatives, the CIA are always treading on dangerous grounds.

Most conflicts or mishaps of the last 55 were instigated by those bastards.

There was a documentary on the CIAs declassified files

 

[Element Alpha]

I'm still eagerly awaiting a video of israeli decapitating people with a knife. Or israeli children shooting guns and screaming for murder in the name of god.

I suggest you reconsider on who the 'crazies' are. This isn't fiction. Israel has to act when it must, or suffer the consequences of non-action -> death in the name of god.

I always enjoy armchair critics because they just don't realize what's at stake.

When you know jewish history, how can you be surprised about their very short fuse?

 

[gh0st]

When you know jewish history, how can you be surprised about their very short fuse?

short fuse? didnt israel GIVE BACK land to the palestinian authority and remove its settlers? wasent it STILL attacked?

 

[ríomhaire]

Christ this is horrible. I wish our politicians would grow a backbone and build more US military sites.

Go buy an independant thought.

 

[Flyingdebris]

I think Israel is right to attack. All this time Israel has had its hands tied when it came to defending itself. All this time everyone has been critical of every little action Israel has taken to defend itself from people who'd love to see every last Israeli dead. The kidnapping of the soliders was the straw the broke the camel's back. Israel has had enough

i think this attack on Lebanon is Israel's way of saying that they will no longer tolerate anymore assholes with "god on their side" blowing up their people and their property.

 

[Element Alpha]

short fuse? didnt israel GIVE BACK land to the palestinian authority and remove its settlers? wasent it STILL attacked?

I said short fuse because the pretext of this operation is the kidnapping of one military individual.

Of course there's all the other stuff, but I think you'll agree that the israeli nation - in regard to its history - is similar to a bucket filled to the top, just waiting for little drops to fall in. Therefore I said they have a short fuse.

 

[Korgoth]

I'm still eagerly awaiting a video of israeli decapitating people with a knife. Or israeli children shooting guns and screaming for murder in the name of god.

I suggest you reconsider on who the 'crazies' are. This isn't fiction. Israel has to act when it must, or suffer the consequences of non-action -> death in the name of god.

I always enjoy armchair critics because they just don't realize what's at stake.

When you know jewish history, how can you be surprised about their very short fuse?

True, Israel is a little more humane in their killing, they use bombs, and machine more so than knives. And isn't all of this land dispute in God's name anyway? Isn't Israel "holy", thats why they won't budge... Ya' know, with all the blood thats been spilt on that soil, I would consider that place holy, I'd consider it hellish.

And armchair critics, lol what are you? Just because our views vary, we are both still "armchair critics". And to add to that, what makes you the supreme authority on this topic?

And you would say that starting a major war over the kidnapping of one soldier isn't an over-reaction?

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

What if the kidnappers were actually CIA operatives, the CIA are always treading on dangerous grounds.

Most conflicts or mishaps of the last 55 were instigated by those bastards.

There was a documentary on the CIAs declassified files

WHAT IF THEY WERE ALIENS?!

And you would say that starting a major war over the kidnapping of one soldier isn't an over-reaction?

You need to realize who is responsible here, and who started the war. It's not Israel. Hezbollah and Hamas need to be ERADICATED.

 

[Ome_Vince]

And you would say that starting a major war over the kidnapping of one soldier isn't an over-reaction?

Uhm, Kidnapping 3 in total (1 Hamas, 2 Hizbollah) from inside Israel along with hundreds of daily Katyusha rocket attacks.

Just out of interest: How many kidnappings, assasinations, rocket attacks do you think justifies action? How many Israeli's must die/be kidnapped in your logic before they are justified to retaliate against these terrorist organisations?

 

[Korgoth]

Uhm, Kidnapping 3 in total (1 Hamas, 2 Hizbollah) from inside Israel along with hundreds of daily Katyusha rocket attacks.

Just out of interest: How many kidnappings, assasinations, rocket attacks do you think justifies action? How many Israeli's must die/be kidnapped in your logic before they are justified to retaliate against these terrorist organisations?

The rockets didn't start flying till' after israel starting bombing, and how many assassinations do you think israel can commit before they are allowed to retaliate?

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

Uhm, Kidnapping 3 in total (1 Hamas, 2 Hizbollah) from inside Israel along with hundreds of daily Katyusha rocket attacks.

Just out of interest: How many kidnappings, assasinations, rocket attacks do you think justifies action? How many Israeli's must die/be kidnapped in your logic before they are justified to retaliate against these terrorist organisations?

Part of the problem you are not seeing is they are not retaliating against a terrorist organization.

It's nothing more than wanton destruction.

 

[Flyingdebris]

yeah, but this is about way more than just a few kidnappings. The kidnappings were the tip-o-the iceberg, there's a whole lot of violent history here that precedes them

 

[_Z_Ryuken]

yeah, but this is about way more than just a few kidnappings. The kidnappings were the tip-o-the iceberg, there's a whole lot of violent history here that precedes them

Name me a country or group of people with no violent history.

 

[bliink]

I wouldnt be surprised if it was part of a larger campaign ..the US cant move into syria without breaking international laws so they support israel who just has to claim they're defending themselves

Back in the old days, this would be where the USSR would threaten to protect/support iran/syria etc if they were attacked, and everything would simmer for a bit.

Without the threat of MAD, things can go a lot further.

 

[CptStern]

yes unforetunately having no real opposition means the enemy will find new ways to fight back ...dirty nukes, daring suicide attacks etc ...this road to perdition will be soaked with the blood of innocents

 

[Nemesis6]

The sick thing is, a large part of the missiles are Iranian-made. Iranian personel are also on ground, teaching the HizbAllah terrorists how to operate them. The attack on the Egyptian ship, those were Iranian Revolutionary Guard soldiers. This is not a war against Lebanon, Lebanon seems unable and unwilling to deal with HizbAllah, and many support the removal of HizbAllah, especially the Christian Lebanese. But the chief of the Lebanese army supports HizbAllah, so... Where does that leave Israel? I'll tell you: Doing the job that Lebanon was supposed to do - Secure the borders and prevent terror attacks.

This is not a war against Lebanon, it's a war against HizbAllah, Iran, and Palestinian leadership(Hamas, Fatah).

By the way, here's a letter from the Lebanese Foundation for Peace(Free-Lebanon.com), you might be surprised about what they have to say about this...

Dear Mr. Prime Minister,

It was about time,

We Lebanese congratulate you on your recent actions against the Hezbollah terrorist infrastructure in Lebanon. We urge you to hit them hard and destroy their terror infrastructure. It is not Israel who is fed up with this situation, but the majority of the silent Lebanese in Lebanon who are fed up with Hezbollah and are powerless to do anything out of fear of terror retaliation.

Since Israel’s forced withdrawal in 2000, pulling out due to pressure from the Clinton Administration, Hezbollah has not for one day ceased its terror incentives, acts of war and provocations at the border. Hezbollah, with the help of Syria and Iran, turned Southern Lebanon into a terror base supported by 12,000 Iranian missiles threatening every initiative for Peace in general and the security of Israel in particular.

Unfortunately, the West should have understood from the beginning that diplomacy does not work with terrorism, neither the Saudi backed initiatives in Lebanon, it enforces terrorism and acts like a booster for Hezbollah justifications on the ground.

The Lebanese are trapped within their own nation.

We urge you not to hit Lebanese infrastructure, Lebanon is a friendly country, rather hit and destroy Hezbollah’s infrastructure in the country.

The IAF raids on suspected Hezbollah strongholds will have a limited effect on this terror organization; an infantry offensive is needed to clean up Southern Lebanon from the threatening missiles and launching bases , destroy Hezbollah infrastructure and consolidate security.

On behalf of thousands of Lebanese, we ask you to open the doors of Tel Aviv Ben Gurion airport to thousands of volunteers in the Diaspora willing to bear arms and liberate their homeland from fundamentalism. We ask you for support, facilitations and logistics in order to win this struggle and achieve together the same objectives: Peace and Security for Lebanon and Israel and our future generations to come.

As of the fighting continue in the north of Israel in order to create security, at the Lebanon Israel border, we ask the world’s nations to endorse your political action and wish you full success in your deterrence against terrorism’s autonomy in Southern Lebanon and Gaza.

Mr. Prime Minister,

Help Lebanon in order to help yourself.

 

[RakuraiTenjin]

The rockets didn't start flying till' after israel starting bombing, and how many assassinations do you think israel can commit before they are allowed to retaliate?

Bullshit. These groups have been launching attacks against Israeli settlements on a regular basis.

 

[bbson john]

The intention of Israel in this military action is good. But the way they do it is rather unacceptable. They are not actually killing Hezbollah but the civilians of Lebanon. Israeli blew Lebanese airport and oil-tanks. These are all important civilian facilities for Lebanon. What the citizens in Lebanon are supposed to do after the war? The Israeli are not doing the right thing unless they help in civilian re-construction after the attack.

short fuse? didnt Israel GIVE BACK land to the palestinian authority and remove its settlers? wasent it STILL attacked?

Do NOT forget the land of Israel, originally, belongs to Palestinian. Unfortunately, the land given to Israel is the Holy Land of Palestinian. There is no reason for Palestinian to stop attack unless Israel gives back their land to Palestinian, of course this is impossible and quite unfair to all Israeli. Would American be angry if we take the Florida and build a Jewish country on it? Of course they will. Note that, Israeli Government recognized the Palestinian Government literally. From the military actions and diplomatic actions of Israel, you can see, Israel have little respect to the Palestinian Government. And they don't regard Palestine as a real country at all.

 

[Nemesis6]

Palestine is not, and never has been a country. Palestine is the region, or better phrased, Palestine IS Israel. Palestine is what the Romans named it after they captured it from the Jews. They named it after the Phillistines, a people Greek origins I believe, who had been invading Israel from the sea. The Phillistines, or 'Pelishtim' in Hebrew means "invaders". And the PLO, the basis of Palestinian governmentry today, was based on one single goal: The destruction of Israel. Today, they have been made much, much worse, with the instatement of Hamas. And a Palestinian state does exist today, it's called Jordan. Formerly Trans-Jordan, before it was on both sides of the Jordan river. The Palestinian Arabs in the Gaza Strip and West Bank today are largely Arabs from neigboring countries who came with the Jews in the Zionist immigration to the area in the 1800s and 1900s. They were the people who left Israel at the command of the attacking Arab armies, who now cannot get back into Israel.

 

[CptStern]

Bullshit. These groups have been launching attacks against Israeli settlements on a regular basis.

and? should innocent civilians pay the price for their actions? ...need I remind you of 9/11?

 

[CptStern]

Some valid points you have there Daman. Though i must say i dont agree with all of them:
I personally support the borders of 1948, since the areas declared as Israel by the UN, we're Jewish areas, formed by Israeli's who "belonged there", and fought off the Brits and Arabs.

not really

map of jewish settlements pre-UN partition

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/70/Map_of_Jewish_settlements_in_Palestine_in_1947.png

map of jewish settlements after UN partition
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...06px-UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.png


edit: double post

 

[Element Alpha]

And armchair critics, lol what are you? Just because our views vary, we are both still "armchair critics". And to add to that, what makes you the supreme authority on this topic?

I don't criticize anything except the armchair critics. It's one thing to ask relevant questions and try to find their answers, it's another thing alltogether to make baseless assumptions and then have an uninformed judgement.

And you would say that starting a major war over the kidnapping of one soldier isn't an over-reaction?

Are you even reading what you type? Of course this isn't just about the kidnapping of one soldier. There's an enormous amount of dimensions in this story.

I think the middle-eastern conflict has a huge base of uninformed critics.

But please, do go on.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Part of the problem you are not seeing is they are not retaliating against a terrorist organization.

It's nothing more than wanton destruction.

/sarcasm
They are not? Dam, then they are lying against us!
/sarcasm

They ARE targetting Hizbollah, though hizbollah is spread throughout the country with its freekin headquarters in an appartment complex in Beirut!
By targetting infrastructure Israel wants to paralize the country so it prevents Hizbollah from transporting the prisoners to Syria like they have done in the past.

When will people see that terrorist organisations hide amongst civilians deliberatly to cause terror => put Israel in a "check-mate" situation.
Launching katyusha's from residential area so when Israel targets them they hit civilians.

I'm not saying the way Israel is acting is a "good way" to get rid of the Hizbollah, (imo they're only making it worse) but they do have the right to act up and defend themselves.
As i gave the example before, its back in the day => bombing the Nazi's in WW2, how will you tell the difference between Germany and Nazi's?.....

Its impossible. Even if Hizbollah would wore Red dressed with "i am hizbollah" then its still virtually impossible to comb Lebannon and hunt down their locations.
Yet Hizbollah dress up and mingle with civilians, which makes it impossible.

@Innervision961
Assasinations? The Hizbollah and Hamas started this and are responsible.
When will people learn that you have to take responsibilities for your actions.
Why are some people trying their best to dismiss responsibility by Hamas and Hizbollah with empty statements trying to justify their actions.

All i hear from certain people is "Israel bombing civilians, should be trialed blabla", what about the ****s who started this? What about the nations sponsoring this? What about the Israeli civilians killed?
Thats all justified? cmon..
Hamas + Hizbollah are marked by the UN as terrorist organisations, and Hizbollah is even urged to disarm.
Apparantly they're not prepared to disarm by themselves, so they need a little help.

 

[Shakermaker]

heheh, Bush had a slip of the tongue. This just in on Reuters:

Mideast crisis drives Bush to colourful language
(Eds note strong language in paragraphs 1, 5)
ST PETERSBURG, Russia, July 17 (Reuters) - A microphone picked up an unaware U.S. President George W. Bush saying on Monday Syria should press Hizbollah to "stop doing this shit" and that his secretary of state may go to the Middle East soon.
Bush was talking privately to British Prime Minister Tony Blair during a lunch at the Group of Eight summit in St Petersburg about an upsurge of violence in the Middle East, not realising a microphone was recording what he said.
"I think Condi (Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice) is going to go pretty soon," Bush said.
Blair replied: "Right, that's all that matters, it will take some time to get that together."
The two leaders also referred to an offer by Blair to help. Blair said Rice has "got to succeed" if she goes out to the region.
Bush replied: "What they need to do is to get Syria to get Hizbollah to stop doing this shit." Shortly afterwards Blair noticed the microphone and hastily switched it off, but not before the recording had reached news media.
Much of the G8 summit has been devoted to discussing the Middle East crisis centring on Lebanese Hizbollah militant attacks on Israel and Israeli bombing of Lebanon. Washington and its allies say Hizbollah is backed by Syria.

 

[Korgoth]

Bullshit. These groups have been launching attacks against Israeli settlements on a regular basis.

Bullshit, you are trying to twist my words here, show me one news article that tells of katusha rockets being fired into israel prior to last week when all this started. I'm talking about rockets, not sucide bombers, or the like.

And to you omen, I never said hizbollah, or hamas were innocent of anything, my argument has been and will continue to be that Israel is acting disproportionately.

 

[Korgoth]

I don't criticize anything except the armchair critics. It's one thing to ask relevant questions and try to find their answers, it's another thing alltogether to make baseless assumptions and then have an uninformed judgement.


Are you even reading what you type? Of course this isn't just about the kidnapping of one soldier. There's an enormous amount of dimensions in this story.

I think the middle-eastern conflict has a huge base of uninformed critics.

But please, do go on.

My god, do you even read what I type? The question was simple, yes or no, "you would say starting a war over one kidnapping isn't over reacting". Don't preach to me about uninformed opinions, who do you think you are? You know no more and no less about the situation than anyone else here, unless you happen to be living in Lebanon, which I doubt.

Newsflash: Your shit stinks too!

 

[mortiz]

www.bbc.co.uk/news

Click on the picture of Tony Blair and George Bush down the rght hand side for the comedy value of a BBC news presenter repeating the words.

 

[Tr0n]

Yes, lets go all crazy because a guy said "shit".

liekomg teh prezident said shit lolol

 

[mortiz]

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5188258.stm

The full transcript, quite interesting to see them talking earnestly to each other.

 

[CptStern]

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5188258.stm

The full transcript, quite interesting to see them talking earnestly to each other.

...criticism of the [inaudible word). I am perfectly.....

= censored by echelon :O

 

[Tr0n]

Bush: And thanks for the sweaters - I know you picked em out yourself...

Blair: Oh yes absolutely - in fact I knitted it!!!

(laughter)

:|

 

[Korgoth]

Way to believe what CNN says without looking into it yourself. No, it's not banned. Hezbollah IS on the US Terrorist Group listing, but its sattelite channel was not banned when it was placed there. This was even a talking point when it happened.

However, the station owners THEMSELVES decided to pull it, using THEIR freedom to do so. There is no 'ban' though, there's no way to legally do so.

"Secretary of State Colin Powell didn't ban Hezbollah's satellite TV station Al-Manar from the United States when he added it to the federal Terrorist Exclusion List on Dec. 17. But the edict took on that appearance when it coincided with the decision of station's satellite provider in North America to unplug it."

Way to not have a source... you are wrong

by John Mintz, Washington Post

Dec. 22, 2004

Al-Manar, one of the most popular television networks in the Arabic- speaking world, has been removed from U.S. airwaves after the State Department designated it a supporter of terrorism.

State Department officials placed the satellite television network, run by the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, on its Terrorist Exclusion List on Friday because of what they described as its incitement of terrorist activity. The designation means foreign nationals who work for the network or provide it any support can be barred from the United States, officials said.

"It's not a question of freedom of speech," State Department spokesman Richard A. Boucher said. "It's a question of incitement of violence. We don't see why, here or anywhere else, a terrorist organization should be allowed to spread its hatred and incitement through the television airwaves."

Al-Manar is protesting the designation,(yeah sounds like they pulled it themselves, huh) saying on its Web site that banning it was an attempt "to terrorize and silence thoughts that are not in line with U.S. and Israeli policies."

The U.S. action had the effect of banning al-Manar in the United States, where its programming had been beamed via GlobeCast, a company that sells access to foreign television programs by satellite. "As of Friday last week, that channel is no longer on the satellite," GlobeCast spokesman Robert Marking said.

Some Arabic-speaking Americans expressed frustration with the State Department's action. Osama Siblani, publisher of the Arab American News, a newspaper in Dearborn, Mich., said al-Manar is popular in this country in part because of its strong support for "resistance against Israeli occupation."

"I disagree with the State Department that it incites violence," he said. "By that standard, they should shut Fox News for inciting violence against Muslims."

Earlier this month, French officials prohibited the network from broadcasting in France, citing what it called al-Manar's anti-Semitic content and appeals to violence. French officials cited al-Manar programs reporting that Jews spread AIDS around the world and that they seek children's blood to bake into Passover matzoh.

A radical Lebanese political party that was formed in 1982 to represent Shiite Muslims, Hezbollah has been designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. government for years. Its military wing, funded by Iran and dedicated to the destruction of Israel, is widely admired in the Arab world for forcing Israel from southern Lebanon in 2000. Hezbollah also funds schools and hospitals in Lebanon.

In the early 1980s, Hezbollah was involved in the kidnapping of Americans in Beirut and the bombings of U.S. Embassy buildings and a Marine barracks there. U.S. officials say Hezbollah trained al Qaeda members in the use of explosives before they bombed U.S. embassies in east Africa in 1998.

Al-Manar airs a wide array of programming, including children's shows and soccer games. It heavily covers events involving the Palestinians, and it shows militants setting off explosives and shooting at Israelis and American troops, often to musical accompaniment.

"Al-Manar often juxtaposes sacred Islamic text with images of 'martyrdom' to incite its viewers to support and even carry out acts of terror," according to a recent report by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a pro-Israel think tank. "Potential bombers are implored to focus their attention on the afterlife and on Judgment Day 'instead of getting preoccupied with our lives on earth.' "

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2004/12/21/al_manar_network_feels_worlds_heat/
(another source)
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Briefs/4607.htm
(another, references the AP)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4106595.stm
(and another)
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/12/15/hezbollah.tv/
(and another... note this is pre ban, but read this quote)

But if the State Department designates the network a terrorist organization, as expected, the move would essentially knock Al-Manar off the air in the United States -- because companies such as satellite wholesale operators that continued to broadcast the network could face heavy fines or prosecution

Mind sharing your source? And its not that I don't agree that they do incite anger/hatred/terrorism whatever blah blah blah, but is this not a free country, i mean what the hell. We are now being told what we can and can not access in the media, whats next our books?... our thoughts? Washington is rolling in his grave.