Bush Indicted?

From what I'm hearing these indictments go all the way from bush 2 through clinton, and to bush senior... Man if they actually do something here, this could be history in the making, or it could all just fall apart, or not even be real. I'm keeping my eyes peeled, thats for sure.
 
this seems appropriate:

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
 
Well...I wonder what would happen if the follow through and what Bush says...I'll just laugh in his face if that happens..the best day of many people's lives. :D
 
i'd say wait til this is confirmed before you start slobering all over yourselves
 
Somehow, I doubt it's going to really do anything... but I'm hoping for the best.
 
Oooo.. possible indiction and incarseration. If it does materialise somehow this will be very interesting indeed.
 
Get The B*****d!

I really hope this goes through.
 
I don't think this is real, but I gurantee you if it was we would have people like Seinfeld come in here and defend them. I was proved right once and I will be proved right once again when Rove is charged.
 
I don't think this is real, but I gurantee you if it was we would have people like Seinfeld come in here and defend them. I was proved right once and I will be proved right once again when Rove is charged.
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Must you call me out post after post? Just make your argument and move on.
 
oh boohoo ..you do it all the time ...and he has a point ...you avoid these things like the plague ...although, so do your like minded chums
 
oh boohoo ..you do it all the time ...and he has a point ...you avoid these things like the plague ...although, so do your like minded chums
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I avoid unoffical liberal blogs like the plauge? Yes, you're right. Excuse me for taking such a shocking stance. I dont buy into all this commondream and democraticunderground crap. Furthermore, I dont make needless bait posts in an attempt to start arguments based on nothing. Hell, you guys make bait TOPICS all the time.
 
seinfeldrules said:
I avoid unoffical liberal blogs like the plauge? Yes, you're right. Excuse me for taking such a shocking stance. I dont buy into all this commondream and democraticunderground crap. Furthermore, I dont make needless bait posts in an attempt to start arguments based on nothing. Hell, you guys make bait TOPICS all the time.
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I must call you out. You know why? Because if I don't you will in October (hopefully October) defend Rove if indictments are handed out. I did the same when there were unconfirmed reports of Rove being involved in the leak. I said you guys would defend him, your Republican friends said they wouldn't but you somehow missed that post and never replied. Now that the talking points are out about this you are suddenly defending him. This is why I call you out, so you don't miss this thread. So, if Rove is indicted will you defend him? Yes, yes, I know, you don't know how to judge morality yourself, you need the courts to do it.
 
there's no evidence anybody has been indicted of anything, maybe you should wait til things are confirmed before you start acting like Bush and Rove have already been tried and found guilty
 
Icarusintel said:
there's no evidence anybody has been indicted of anything, maybe you should wait til things are confirmed before you start acting like Bush and Rove have already been tried and found guilty
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Did you miss the IF???
 
When he gets convicted...I'll run down to the states and slap him in the face myself. I should also slap all the people who back him too. Yeah..half the country needs a good slap in the face. :D
 
Now that the talking points are out about this you are suddenly defending him.
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Coming from the person who probably couldnt think if it werent for democraticunderground that is laughable. I dont use talking points, I dont visit far right wing leaning websites on a daily basis to see what is going on. Hell, I might look at a blog or two once a month. I dont need people to help me think as you do. I wont convict a man that the courts dont find guilty. It isnt happening. Its a sad day when liberals consider themselves above a court of law just so they can steamroll a hated adversary. Now, from now on you can call me out all you want, but I wont be responding to any thread in which you do. I'll speak my mind when I damn well please.
 
seinfeldrules said:
Coming from the person who probably couldnt think if it werent for democraticunderground that is laughable. I dont use talking points, I dont visit far right wing leaning websites on a daily basis to see what is going on. Hell, I might look at a blog or two once a month. I dont need people to help me think as you do. I wont convict a man that the courts dont find guilty. It isnt happening. Its a sad day when liberals consider themselves above a court of law just so they can steamroll a hated adversary. Now, from now on you can call me out all you want, but I wont be responding to any thread in which you do. I'll speak my mind when I damn well please.
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You are free to do that and I am free to call you out for doing that. Again, if you need the courts to judge moral character thats fine, but don't go around and pretend like you do that because you have your own personal opinions. I'm sure you defending Rove has nothing to do with him being a Republican even if you know that exposing an undercover agent is wrong.
 
I'm sure you defending Rove has nothing to do with him being a Republican even if you know that exposing an undercover agent is wrong.
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And just as I'm sure your being a liberal has nothing to do with your steamroll attempt.
 
seinfeldrules said:
And just as I'm sure your being a liberal has nothing to do with your steamroll attempt.
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No, morality has something to do with it. Let me ask you this, do you think it is okay for anyone to release classified information in order to discredit their political opposition?
 
Let me ask you this, do you think it is okay for anyone to release classified information in order to discredit their political opposition?
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You're asking me if Rove is guilty. I'm not playing games. You know my stance, now deal with it.
 
It's not going to happen guys, this is the most powerful government in the world, they'll cover up anything and everything.
 
oldagerocker said:
It's not going to happen guys, this is the most powerful government in the world, they'll cover up anything and everything.
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The bigger they are..the harder they fall. :E
 
Bush needs to be firm and concise.....look into the camera and say "I did not have sexual relations with......" ....ooops wrong lying sack of shit holding office.

All kidding aside...why are politics and honesty mutually exclusive nowadays?? How do the biggest liars on the face of the earth land in some of the most important positions in the world?? Why is it OK until you get caught??

Don't make any bones about it....people buy the spin like bottled water on a 10,000 degree day.....LYING IS OK UNTIL YOU GET CAUGHT....then it's full spin time to weezle out of it and it's like you didn't lie at all. Any political figure caught in a lie needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law....when you purge yourself in such a position you are open to blackmail and, depending on how desperate you are, that can lead to treason. This shit has got to stop. No one is exempt....democrat, republican, green, independent, etc....it doesn't matter....stop the bullshit.

In the case of our wonderful leader, this man has such an air of dishonesty surrounding him, allegations like this should come as NO surprise. NONE. And his administration is in exactly the same mold. But what does this dickbag care?? Nill, he's almost as big a liar as Clinton(s). Whatever though...stuff like this catches up to you....it has to....right?? Well, I guess accountability is another issue for another thread....
 
oldagerocker said:
It's not going to happen guys, this is the most powerful government in the world, they'll cover up anything and everything.
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seconded
Lt. Drebin said:
All kidding aside...why are politics and honesty mutually exclusive nowadays?? How do the biggest liars on the face of the earth land in some of the most important positions in the world?? Why is it OK until you get caught??
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seinfeldrules said:
You're asking me if Rove is guilty. I'm not playing games. You know my stance, now deal with it.
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No, I'm asking you if you think its okay for anyone to release classified information knowingly for political reasons. Simple hypothetical, Rove has nothing to do with that question.

The fact you wont answer because you know Rove probably did this proves my point, you will defend him no matter what happens. If you don't think he did this you can give me a simple yes, its wrong. And if Rove is found to have done this when the investigation is complete I can point to this thread to make sure that you dont suddenly change your stance.
 
And if Rove is found to have done this when the investigation is complete I can point to this thread to make sure that you dont suddenly change your stance.
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If he is found to have commited a crime in doing so then he is guilty in everyone's eyes.
 
seinfeldrules said:
If he is found to have commited a crime in doing so then he is guilty in everyone's eyes.
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You prove my point again, why will you not answer this simple question? It has nothing to do with Rove, unless of course you think he is guilty.

Do you think it is okay for anyone to knowingly release classified information in order to discredit their political opposition?

I am not asking you if you think it is legal, I am not asking you for your opinion of our justice system, all I want from you is your own PERSONAL belief of if the above is right or wrong. Doesn't have anything to do with Rove, just a general scenario of anyone leaking classified information for political reasons. Any jackass with a sense of right or wrong could give a simple answer to that question, not sure why you are having problems.
 
seinfeldrules said:
You know my stance on the matter. Making your words larger wont affect me.
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No, I don't know your stence. From what I'm getting you think it's okay to kowingly release classified information for political gain. However, I wanted to give you a chance to clarify as that tells me you have little if no moral character in you. You know what, I'm making a new thread, please post there.
 
seinfeldrules said:
If he is found to have commited a crime in doing so then he is guilty in everyone's eyes.
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That sounds resoundingly like Clinton-speak.

No Limit: If I was Seinfeldrules, I wouldn't give you a straight answer either.

I've been reading these threads for a long time. In all honesty, you guys cannot have civilized conversations because you always try to bully each other. If you guys managed some friendly give and take, you'd be a hell of a lot less hostile toward one another...regardless of political affiliation. One side or another has got to become LESS angry/hostile....particularly trying to get one side or another to say they're wrong, or throw another member of theirs under the bus.....etc. Admitting mistakes is one thing, but it's a hell of a lot more difficult to swallow when someone is simply waiting there to gloat and say "I told ya so". One of the biggest issues in American politics, especially recently, is our inability to find common ground. Sometimes, I think we disagree just to disagree and aggrivate one another. Both sides have their share of good and bad ideas/positions....my god....see John McCain...I'm no Republcan, but he's a great example of a man willing to compromise, admit his faults and work for his COUNTRY and not his party. If he runs in 2008, he has my vote....especially if that twat Hilary runs.

Back to topic. Karl Rove is a complete scumbag. And No Limit, you're absolutly right....it's absolutly outrageous to release classified information for the sole purpose of discrediting opposition and making them look like fools. This has gone on for a long time though....lord knows Clinton was just as guilty of such actions. But, this is a case of someone stepping way over the line. It's attrocious. If Karl Rove did this, he should go to jail and there is resounding evidence to suggest he was the source of this leak. This is borderline treasonous behavior. I'm still a little lost as to how this information discredited this woman's husband??? It just seems like an incredibly dumb thing to do.
 
Lt. Drebin said:
That sounds resoundingly like Clinton-speak.

No Limit: If I was Seinfeldrules, I wouldn't give you a straight answer either.

I've been reading these threads for a long time. In all honesty, you guys cannot have civilized conversations because you always try to bully each other. If you guys managed some friendly give and take, you'd be a hell of a lot less hostile toward one another...regardless of political affiliation. One side or another has got to become LESS angry/hostile....particularly trying to get one side or another to say they're wrong, or throw another member of theirs under the bus.....etc. Admitting mistakes is one thing, but it's a hell of a lot more difficult to swallow when someone is simply waiting there to gloat and say "I told ya so". One of the biggest issues in American politics, especially recently, is our inability to find common ground. Sometimes, I think we disagree just to disagree and aggrivate one another. Both sides have their share of good and bad ideas/positions....my god....see John McCain...I'm no Republcan, but he's a great example of a man willing to compromise, admit his faults and work for his COUNTRY and not his party. If he runs in 2008, he has my vote....especially if that twat Hilary runs.

Back to topic. Karl Rove is a complete scumbag. And No Limit, you're absolutly right....it's absolutly outrageous to release classified information for the sole purpose of discrediting opposition and making them look like fools. This has gone on for a long time though....lord knows Clinton was just as guilty of such actions. But, this is a case of someone stepping way over the line. It's attrocious. If Karl Rove did this, he should go to jail and there is resounding evidence to suggest he was the source of this leak. This is borderline treasonous behavior. I'm still a little lost as to how this information discredited this woman's husband??? It just seems like an incredibly dumb thing to do.
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I see what you are saying and I don't want to get in to the whole "friendliness" discussion again but the bottom line is that politics is hostile. If someone is wrong you grill them so hopefully they change their position, works for both sides. All I want from him is a simple answer to a simple question. I know that he thinks that releasing classified information to discredit political opposition is wrong but he wont bring himself to say it as he thinks Rove really did do this. I think this world would be a much better place if the political extreme (that includes me) would do more to punish their side when their side clearly does wrong.
 
Lt. Drebin said:
That sounds resoundingly like Clinton-speak.

No Limit: If I was Seinfeldrules, I wouldn't give you a straight answer either.

I've been reading these threads for a long time. In all honesty, you guys cannot have civilized conversations because you always try to bully each other. If you guys managed some friendly give and take, you'd be a hell of a lot less hostile toward one another...regardless of political affiliation. One side or another has got to become LESS angry/hostile....particularly trying to get one side or another to say they're wrong, or throw another member of theirs under the bus.....etc. Admitting mistakes is one thing, but it's a hell of a lot more difficult to swallow when someone is simply waiting there to gloat and say "I told ya so". One of the biggest issues in American politics, especially recently, is our inability to find common ground. Sometimes, I think we disagree just to disagree and aggrivate one another. Both sides have their share of good and bad ideas/positions....my god....see John McCain...I'm no Republcan, but he's a great example of a man willing to compromise, admit his faults and work for his COUNTRY and not his party. If he runs in 2008, he has my vote....especially if that twat Hilary runs.
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well as a long time reader you've probably witnessed my frustration (I cant speak for everyone else ..cuz I'm "me" not "them") at receiving stone dead silence or worse yet derision for posting clear, undeniable sources that spell out my points ..yet my opponents would rather paint me with the brush of "anti-american" than face the facts ...because were they to truely examine the facts they would draw the same conclusions I have ...when the source is the US government own declassified secret documents there can be no other interpretation

I dont care about the democrats I dont care about the republicans ..I dont play partisan politics ..I call it as I see it ... which is based on facts regardless of which political group has supported it or not ...that's what debating is all about

someone presents facts, I present mine, we debate who's facts are more compelling, we then either concede the point and move on or we arrive at a stalemate ...but that isnt the case here ...there is no conceding points no matter how compelling the argument
 
Lt. Drebin said:
see John McCain...I'm no Republcan, but he's a great example of a man willing to compromise, admit his faults and work for his COUNTRY and not his party. If he runs in 2008, he has my vote....especially if that twat Hilary runs.
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QFT

He's got my vote...
 
OCybrManO said:
QFT

He's got my vote...
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mine too, but something in my gut tells me he isn;t going to run, i think I'd vote for Colin Powell too, but if they both ran I'd have a tough time choosing either one
now the real kicker would be if Jeb Bush ran, I'd vote for him just to see if we could get all 3 in the president's chair, that would be a true dynasty
 
No Limit said:
the bottom line is that politics is hostile.
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It is hostile, I agree to an extent. But it doesn't have to be unproductively so. See the last 4-5 years as reference.
 
Hillary will never win the democratic nomination, I'm guessing she won't even run. McCain is a good guy but he is in many ways a political coward. After all the things Bush did to him in 2000 (including questioning his service like they did to Kerry in 04) I could not stand the fact McCain just took it like a good little Republican that wont question his party's leader no matter what that leader does to him and his family.
 
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