Bush's approval even lower than before

[seinfeldrules]

But nevermind that, explain this to me and I will never again mention this and admit I was wrong for even suggesting it:

How were you wrong? The polls were. Are you that much of an extremist? It never ends with people like you. Not everything good that happens to Conservatives is some conspiracy theory. Take defeat like a man, not a whining conspiracy nut. The polls didnt account for everyone that voted, only a small percent of people that could or could not have been telling the truth. That is why these polls are not used to elect the President, they are very unreliable (as the election proved).

 

[No Limit]

How were you wrong? The polls were. Are you that much of an extremist? It never ends with people like you. Not everything good that happens to Conservatives is some conspiracy theory. Take defeat like a man, not a whining conspiracy nut. The polls didnt account for everyone that voted, only a small percent of people that could or could not have been telling the truth. That is why these polls are not used to elect the President, they are very unreliable (as the election proved).

Come on, I am getting sick of this, I honestly respected your ability to debate but I am quickly losing that respect. Can you please look at what I post objectively and I promise I will do the same with what you post?

I posted 3 different graphs showing how exit polls were dead on accurate with paper ballots but were way off on diebold machines. If you can give me an explanation for this I will admit nothing fishy happened and I will take off my tin foil hat. If you can not give me a explanation but instead want to throw around the word "extremist" and "conspiracy nut" just do me a favor and don't respond, I will debate this with someone else. If you will not look at anything openly and wont ever admit that Republicans can do wrong then you really shouldn't be here in the first place.

 

[jonbob]

I'm not very well informed with respect to the voting machine hoo-ha, but I can say that there's no smoke without fire, rumour is often based on fact and all that.

 

[seinfeldrules]

If you will not look at anything openly and wont ever admit that Republicans can do wrong then you really shouldn't be here in the first place.

Republicans can do wrong. Same with wild internet conspiracy theorists just dying for any way to screw Bush (aka the people who made the graphs). The exit polls all day had Kerry winning, across the board on all machines. That isnt the way the day ended. Exit polls are highly inaccurate and are only meant for vague guesstimates for the news organizations to throw at you for a few hours. The real numbers mean everything and they show that Bush won the popular vote by 10million people and also took the electoral vote. If you have solid evidence (not some theory) that Bush altered enough machines to cover 10 million people then come back. Until then thats all it is, some wild theory meant to discredit Bush. Again, take your loss with dignity and look ahead. This type of behavior wont help Dems in 08 just as it didnt in 04.

Come on, I am getting sick of this, I honestly respected your ability to debate but I am quickly losing that respect.

Same here. You seem more and more inclined to throw around ridiculous statements based on little fact. I figured you for more of a moderate then the extremist you are.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Whos debating? Aren't we all just here to find ways to screw bush? isn't thats whats cool?

Hey guys...check this out "BU**SH**" Haha, get it...its a cuss word censored and it spells bush! haha, bush sucks! I'm so cool.

BTW, my comp just crashed, I think bush hates me, maybe it crashed because haliburtons stocks rose from all of the oil they are murdering civilians for.

 

[CptStern]

:upstare: I've been following american foreign policy since the early 80's ...cant accuse me of "wanting to be cool"



besides, I cant see how taking on the entire US population (at the time of the onset of war pretty much every american was for the war ...heck so was much of the free-world) can be considered the "cool thing to do"

 

[No Limit]

Republicans can do wrong. Same with wild internet conspiracy theorists just dying for any way to screw Bush (aka the people who made the graphs). The exit polls all day had Kerry winning, across the board on all machines. That isnt the way the day ended. Exit polls are highly inaccurate and are only meant for vague guesstimates for the news organizations to throw at you for a few hours. The real numbers mean everything and they show that Bush won the popular vote by 10million people and also took the electoral vote. If you have solid evidence (not some theory) that Bush altered enough machines to cover 10 million people then come back. Until then thats all it is, some wild theory meant to discredit Bush. Again, take your loss with dignity and look ahead. This type of behavior wont help Dems in 08 just as it didnt in 04.

All I want from you is to address the polls. I do not have definate proof that Bush cheated nor did I claim he cheated. I said there were huge irregularities in the exit poll data probably caused by something other than the exit polls themselves; the evidance I posted points to diebold machines. all democrats want is a simple investigation to why the polls were wrong or why the machines were wrong. I don't know how in the hell this is "extremist". Are you telling me you are comfortable voting again in 06 and 08 when such huge problems occured in the last election and the election before that? I never said that Bush stole this election and had some wild conspiracy going, I said there were election irregulaties which is fact. But everytime democrats want to find out why those irregulaties existed you republicans shut us down with throwing out names such as extremist instead of actually looking at facts and trying to fix the problem.

Same here. You seem more and more inclined to throw around ridiculous statements based on little fact. I figured you for more of a moderate then the extremist you are.

And like I said, I exptected to have more mature debate with you and hope we still can. the problem is I don't think you will ever admit you are wrong, instead you just leave the thread and leave it at that; you demonstrated that in the downing street memo thread. I still think you are probably a good guy; I've been on this board about the same time as you (I'm a month older ) and believe it or not I actually remember having discussions with you about video games long before this politics board even existed. so I don't take anything here personally but you need to actually read my points, look at them objectively, and stop trying to place me in to categories such as "extremist" or "ridiculous" and I will do the same to you. Deal?

Sorry the Coronas are kicking in.

 

[seinfeldrules]

the problem is I don't think you will ever admit you are wrong, instead you just leave the thread and leave it at that; you demonstrated that in the downing street memo thread.

No, I just have come into a much busier schedule that doesnt give me the time to involve myself in deeper debates. From now on I'll keep from butting in with bold statements unless I can find the time to take all debate seriously.