California to legalize recreational marijuana

[Viperidae]

Alcoholic grandparents? check

Shitpiss alcoholic parents? check

Hmm...

Anyway, yay mj, goes to show Cali is more like Canada than Canada is.

 

[Glirk Dient]

It doesn't upset me. There can be the occasional minor annoyance of, say, buying a round for the table and having somebody turn it down. But I move past that by rationalizing that it's more beer for me.

I just don't understand it. It's their personal choice, but it's one I don't see a point to it. I'm not going to try and convince them to change. Although I won't deny a rise of indignation when somebody says "all alcohol is disgusting". That's crossing a line, and the consequences will be dire.

Back on topic guys...
Alcohol actually is very harmful health. There was a British study that listed 20 drugs in order from least to most harmful. Alcohol was #5. Tobacco was 9 and marijuana was 11.

Marijuana should be legalized so people have a safer recreation drug choice.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Alcohol actually is very harmful health.

Yes, but so is chocolate, fast food, coca cola, not getting enough exercise, etc. You have to live a little. If we worried about everything that was damaging to our health we wouldn't do anything. I would rather live for 70 years of forfillment and fun than live till 120 in good shape but having barely touched what life actually is.

 

[TechnoHippyChic]

Hear, hear.

Alcohol can have health benefits, too.

 

[Glirk Dient]

Yes, but so is chocolate, fast food, coca cola, not getting enough exercise, etc. You have to live a little. If we worried about everything that was damaging to our health we wouldn't do anything. I would rather live for 70 years of forfillment and fun than live till 120 in good shape but having barely touched what life actually is.

Those aren't anywhere near as damaging to health as alcohol is. Alcohol releases toxins in the brain that kills brain cells. It damages the liver, is addicting and causes LOTS of deaths per year. None of those do. Just because alcohol is legal does not mean it isn't a dangerous drug. If it were introduced today many health experts agree that it would be without a doubt illegal.

Hear, hear.

Alcohol can have health benefits, too.

So can marijuana...That doesn't make a basis for it's legality though. Marijuana is less harmful and more beneficial yet for some unknown reason it stays illegal.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Those aren't anywhere near as damaging to health as alcohol is. Alcohol releases toxins in the brain that kills brain cells. It damages the liver, is addicting and causes LOTS of deaths per year. None of those do. Just because alcohol is legal does not mean it isn't a dangerous drug. If it were introduced today many health experts agree that it would be without a doubt illegal.

While fast food merely causes diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease and a variety of other problems. Nowhere near as bad as alcohol!

Regardless, the key is moderation. There are responsible alcohol users, and I like to think that I am one, who doesn't drink ridiculous amounts (I drink like, once a week, not every day) just the same as not everyone who eats fast food is obese.

 

[Tyguy]

The only medication I trust is marijuana. It fixes everything for me, and I'm not just saying that.

1) Asthma
2) Anxiety
3) OCD
4) Diet
5) Depression (not in the long term, but it still helps)

Plus my farts are 100 times funnier when im high

 

[Absinthe]

Those aren't anywhere near as damaging to health as alcohol is. Alcohol releases toxins in the brain that kills brain cells. It damages the liver, is addicting and causes LOTS of deaths per year. None of those do. Just because alcohol is legal does not mean it isn't a dangerous drug. If it were introduced today many health experts agree that it would be without a doubt illegal.

Oh no, I guess that social beer will be the doom of us all!

 

[Glirk Dient]

While fast food merely causes diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease and a variety of other problems. Nowhere near as bad as alcohol!

Regardless, the key is moderation. There are responsible alcohol users, and I like to think that I am one, who doesn't drink ridiculous amounts (I drink like, once a week, not every day) just the same as not everyone who eats fast food is obese.

Exactly...alcohol isn't so bad in moderation. Much like every drug out there. Alcohol and even fast food are exponentially more dangerous to your health. Yet they are legal. Our government needs a sensible drug regulation instead of the failed war on drugs.

Oh no, I guess that social beer will be the doom of us all!

It's not that it will be the doom of us all...it's the fact that it's one of the most dangerous drugs known to mankind with very little medicinal value.

 

[Absinthe]

It's not that it will be the doom of us all...it's the fact that it's one of the most dangerous drugs known to mankind with very little medicinal value.

And this is why I drew the distinction between having a drink and getting shitfaced. To be sure though, I essentially agree with you in that it's ridiculous that a drug like alcohol can be legal for consumption while cannabis draws the wrath of the law. I think I took your post I responded to the wrong way.

 

[delusional]

Cannabis was criminalized due to Hemp more than its effects i believe. Some company that made rope didn't want to compete with Hemp so cannabis was made worse than it really is so both Cannabis and Hemp were criminalized. It wasn't because it was a dangerous drug.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Exactly...alcohol isn't so bad in moderation. Much like every drug out there. Alcohol and even fast food are exponentially more dangerous to your health. Yet they are legal. Our government needs a sensible drug regulation instead of the failed war on drugs.

Yep, this. Many drugs should not be illegal. Take acid and shrooms. Some people jumped out of a building. Okay. So what.

Hundreds die from cigarettes and alcohol, drugs that do nothing for you daily, while a few people jump out of a building, and suddenly acid is illegal. And people on acid don't hurt other people, while most alcohol related deaths are people who haven't actually been drinking.

As for pot being legal, I have a couple of ideas

1) In early america, racial minorities tended to use it more than the whites - by illegalising pot, they kept these people down.

2) Anyone can grow it, and so the government cannot make much money out of it. I suppose they could tax the seeds or something.

 

[Nemesis6]

Yep, this. Many drugs should not be illegal. Take acid and shrooms. Some people jumped out of a building. Okay. So what.

Hundreds die from cigarettes and alcohol, drugs that do nothing for you daily, while a few people jump out of a building, and suddenly acid is illegal. And people on acid don't hurt other people, while most alcohol related deaths are people who haven't actually been drinking.

As for pot being legal, I have a couple of ideas

1) In early america, racial minorities tended to use it more than the whites - by illegalising pot, they kept these people down.

2) Anyone can grow it, and so the government cannot make much money out of it. I suppose they could tax the seeds or something.

Yeah, it's a bit hypocritical that tobacco is allowed but not pot, but I think acid and shrooms are different in a sense: Those are inherently more prone to induce base-jumping; they're psychedelics not just euphoria-inducing like tobacco. Don't generalize when it comes to synthetic drugs; they're more dangerous than normal stuff like tobacco or pot. Lastly, what do you mean with the alcohol related deaths being people who haven't been drinking?

Now I don't think your first point is that valid, unless that was their motivation. Your second point however... The U.S government actually still delivers marijuana to small, fixed number of cancer - and other chronically-ill patients. In the U.S, they pay high amounts of money for health care, so including this as an option might actually net them a good share, and it does work as a treatment, so I can't see any problem with this.

 

[Absinthe]

Shrooms aren't synthetic. Even if they were... meh? Their prospective danger derives almost entirely from the trip itself, and plenty of people can take them without having their mental states burst into flames.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Yeah, it's a bit hypocritical that tobacco is allowed but not pot, but I think acid and shrooms are different in a sense: Those are inherently more prone to induce base-jumping; they're psychedelics not just euphoria-inducing like tobacco. Don't generalize when it comes to synthetic drugs; they're more dangerous than normal stuff like tobacco or pot.

Actually, shrooms are natural. And actually, acid is non-toxic and non-addictive (its not something you really want to do again soon).

Lastly, what do you mean with the alcohol related deaths being people who haven't been drinking?

Yeah, I wasn't too clear here. What I meant was things like drunk drivers, people injured in fights, etc. You can't get into fights while on weed (its like "Hey man", "Yeah?" "uuuuuuuhh") and if you jump out of a building while tripping then your not hurting anyone else.

To be fair, if someone drives under the influence of any drug (yes, even pot guys) they are likely to cause injury.

 

[Mr Stabby]

ketamine should be legal, it's harmless.

 

[Kula Meenur]

^What are you ****in nuts!?

 

[Mr Stabby]

If it's good enough for horses, it's good enough for people.

 

[TechnoHippyChic]

Trying to "criminalize" any substance, especially natural, is just silly.

 

[Atomic_Piggy]

Bill Hicks is needed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fntiAF3OSts&feature=related


Though he is proboaly real ****ing hiiiiiiiiigh at the end.