Card make name, does it matter?

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It can have an effect, most noticable is the cooling system.
A cheap cooling system on board will make a big difference, because running at higher clock speeds will cause the card to get hotter, and without the right cooling, it just gets to hot. So, they will lower clock speeds to put less stress on the card and keep it cooler without spending money of the heat sink or whatever.
Theres some other stuff but that's the gist of it IIRC
 
i agree big time, while the reference design doesn't change from supplier to suplier the one thing that DOES is the cooling, heat sinks and fans vary widely from top to bottom. it's like evrything else, there is no free lunch. so if you buy a low end card, be prepared to upgrade the cooling. i once bought card that had a defective fan right from the mfgr! to say i was unhappy would be an understatment.
 
Asus keeps the clock speed, plus delivers great cooling solutions. Any of the big names usually don't have cheap cooling solutions. ASUS, All in Wonder, Sapphire, and ATI themselves to name a few.
 
i think its about 20 quid more for the Sapphire so ill prob go for that.
is this best card to buy for a 200 quid budget? im on about the ATI radeon 9800 pro 256 version

thanks for the replies
 
ahhh. well...idk. id trust the larger market retailers. small english companies dont exactly sound trustworthy ;)
 
I know Gainwards are totally different to most, they come overclocked...stay cooler than stock speeds when overclocked and have a warranty overclocked..so yeah gainward are pretty good, thats why im getting a gainward 6800GT golden sample in 6 days and counting...... :D ......
 
guinny said:
6800.......*shudders*
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whats wrong with a 6800? i may get one. but it wouldent be for awhile so probably not.
 
theres nothing wrong, its an amazing card. but with its power hogging, and its useless features, ati is a much better choice.
 
guinny said:
theres nothing wrong, its an amazing card. but with its power hogging, and its useless features, ati is a much better choice.
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Better choice for you, every person is different. Not just like you.
 
Oh sorry I forgot people like to have useless features and 2 slot power hungry video cards for less performance.
 
Look, the high end cards from ATI and Nvidia perform well beyond what anyone expected from these cards. I honestly don't see a clear winner in this round. Regardless of what you choose, you will be happy with your decision.
 
guinny said:
Oh sorry I forgot people like to have useless features and 2 slot power hungry video cards for less performance.
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Obviously just a fanboi you are.

Lets have a little review of the 6800.

1). The ultra is 2 slot molex connector yes, and it can run on a 300watt PSU so stop believing rumours that was never official. If i say "Half life 2 is out next friday" you would probably phone a games store _just_ to check because you are so gullable.

2). PS3.0 isnt useless...it is far from it. My gfx card now is 1.5 years old...lets say i buy a 6800 with PS3.0 and this time next year when PS3.0 is being used i wont need to go buy yet another ****ing £350 graphics card, useless my arse.

3). FYI the 6800GT is faster than the X800 PRO in almost every game with AA/AF on when nvidia dont use full trilinear like ATI dont so "less performance", Whatever, and the visual difference between the two is zero, it isnt visible to the human eye.

No one knows how well the 6800Ultra and X800XT will perform yet because there are no reviews up on any of the popular sites.
 
The name of the company might not matter but the cooler and memory will.
As long as you get a retail card the clock speeds should be good. I always double check though, especially for OEM/Bulk. Compair it with another Retail card on a website that lists their speed (Newegg.com).

As for the 6800, its a good card. The reason why people would pick the X800 is because it performs better in those games they play or they use the AF setting on most games.

People would pick the 6800 if it performs well in the games they play.
BTW Nvidia says a 350Watt PSU now instead of the 480Watt (Not 300).
And PS3.0 isn't useless for Nvidia, but it is for ATI. DX9.0c is just Nvidia's version of DX9. DX9.0b is ATI's. ATI does have better shader performance still so using PS3.0 since it is more efficent is something that Nvidia can use to combat that.

Everything else beyond that is opinion or so close it doesn't matter.
You shouldn't be shocked if someone is actually going to buy a 6800! gasp :O
It is a much different beast than the FX series. Nvidia is obviously a good brand and corrected all of their mistakes.
 
guinny said:
Oh sorry I forgot people like to have useless features and 2 slot power hungry video cards for less performance.
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Companies don't make useless features that NO one will use, someone WILL. Seriously there isn't anything wrong with the card, I like it, but I like my X800 Pro more.
 
Your getting me all wrong. The feature, no matter what side of the spectrum you look at, of PS 3.0, is USELESS. Don't give me that year and a half from now crap, because a year and a half from now your going to want to upgrade to what's probably triple as fast as todays cards. PS 2.0 isn't even being used to its fullest, no company is jumping into 3.0. So yes, you will have PS 3.0, an amazing feature, sadly, NOONES USING IT, THEREFORE IT IS RENDERED COMPLETELY USELESS. Argue all you want, I'm not a fanboy, I used to be the proud owner of almost every geforce card out there, X800 > 6800. And that is unbiased, as I've owned ONE ati card in my life.
 
um, AIW isn't a brand, it's a type of card. And people might be planning for their computer to still be in use for a while, and therefore, that might be a good choice.

Jesus, it's horses for courses, not one size fits all.
 
guinny said:
Your getting me all wrong. The feature, no matter what side of the spectrum you look at, of PS 3.0, is USELESS. Don't give me that year and a half from now crap, because a year and a half from now your going to want to upgrade to what's probably triple as fast as todays cards. PS 2.0 isn't even being used to its fullest, no company is jumping into 3.0. So yes, you will have PS 3.0, an amazing feature, sadly, NOONES USING IT, THEREFORE IT IS RENDERED COMPLETELY USELESS. Argue all you want, I'm not a fanboy, I used to be the proud owner of almost every geforce card out there, X800 > 6800. And that is unbiased, as I've owned ONE ati card in my life.
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Crytek is going to patch PS3.0 in :) Not that it'll make a huge difference, just something to note

Anyhow.. your argument sucks, IMO. You could say the same for engine technology as you could for hardware technology. Games are advancing at a faster rate now (alongside hardware), so why shouldn't some companies push for PS3.0 support?
 
You CAN say the same thing for engine technology, but it isn't as fast. Games aren't advancing much at all. Actually to me, games aren't really advancing more then they have right now. Even all you peoples beloved FEAR and STALKER are running PS 2.0 amongst many other ordinary, many times before seen engine features. Companies are just finding new and better ways to use the tech.
 
guinny said:
Your getting me all wrong. The feature, no matter what side of the spectrum you look at, of PS 3.0, is USELESS. Don't give me that year and a half from now crap, because a year and a half from now your going to want to upgrade to what's probably triple as fast as todays cards. PS 2.0 isn't even being used to its fullest, no company is jumping into 3.0. So yes, you will have PS 3.0, an amazing feature, sadly, NOONES USING IT, THEREFORE IT IS RENDERED COMPLETELY USELESS. Argue all you want, I'm not a fanboy, I used to be the proud owner of almost every geforce card out there, X800 > 6800. And that is unbiased, as I've owned ONE ati card in my life.
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Says the person with a 64bit processor :rolleyes:
 
I don't think those are real specs, comrade.

This is completely and wholly OT, but if that's the case guinny, why did you buy a GeForce2 with the totally useless HT&L? How do you justify ATi's X series with 3Dc? You don't think geometry instancing will see any use anytime soon? Out of curiosity, what do you consider a useful feature?


Anyway, shopping for a card by cooling solution can be very difficult. I've known some vendors to change the cooling solution (like remove some heatsinks) on a particular product without announcing it, and of course they're under no obligation to. The problem is compounded when shopping online.
 
ComradeBadger said:
Says the person with a 64bit processor :rolleyes:
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Haha, yeah. Its not useless when it will be used, pull your head out of your ass giunny or whatever.
 
i think this whole conversation is useless( x800 vs 6800 ) until full retail versions of both cards WITH decent drivers come out and get flogged by no less than 3 decent HW sites using benchmarks for current games that we all play,,,

UNTIL THEN.. this is all crap, posturing, and chest thumping...
 
guinny said:
Your getting me all wrong. The feature, no matter what side of the spectrum you look at, of PS 3.0, is USELESS. Don't give me that year and a half from now crap, because a year and a half from now your going to want to upgrade to what's probably triple as fast as todays cards. PS 2.0 isn't even being used to its fullest, no company is jumping into 3.0. So yes, you will have PS 3.0, an amazing feature, sadly, NOONES USING IT, THEREFORE IT IS RENDERED COMPLETELY USELESS. Argue all you want, I'm not a fanboy, I used to be the proud owner of almost every geforce card out there, X800 > 6800. And that is unbiased, as I've owned ONE ati card in my life.
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You are a fanboi though, you are denying FACTS by saying "x800 > 6800"
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_6800_performance_and_overclocking/ No one knows how the 6800ultra with new drivers compares to the x800 XT so i dont include them but if you want straight forward answers just click the link, THE 6800 GT BEATS THE X800 PRO IN DIRECT3D AND OPENGL IN EVERYGAME THEY SHOWED _AND_ THE 6800 HAS A VERY DISTINCT ADVANTAGE IN 'AA' OVER THE X800 PRO.

You got owned by ComradeBadger as well :LOL:
 
Alig said:
You are a fanboi though, you are denying FACTS by saying "x800 > 6800"
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_6800_performance_and_overclocking/ No one knows how the 6800ultra with new drivers compares to the x800 XT so i dont include them but if you want straight forward answers just click the link, THE 6800 GT BEATS THE X800 PRO IN DIRECT3D AND OPENGL IN EVERYGAME THEY SHOWED _AND_ THE 6800 HAS A VERY DISTINCT ADVANTAGE IN 'AA' OVER THE X800 PRO.

You got owned by ComradeBadger as well :LOL:
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How come you keep saying that no one knows how it will perform and then you come right out and say the 6800 performs better? It's either one or the other, they're contradicting statements. You can't apply one to him and then come around and say the 6800 performs much better than the x800.

That last statement was a foolish thing to say, you don't need to make an ass out of yourself by provoking him, it doesn't help your argument at all.

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Now that I think about it, someone should probably close this thread, after Alig gets his obligatory "last word" in.
 
babywax said:
How come you keep saying that no one knows how it will perform and then you come right out and say the 6800 performs better? It's either one or the other, they're contradicting statements. You can't apply one to him and then come around and say the 6800 performs much better than the x800.

That last statement was a foolish thing to say, you don't need to make an ass out of yourself by provoking him, it doesn't help your argument at all.

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Now that I think about it, someone should probably close this thread, after Alig gets his obligatory "last word" in.
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Im allowed to say what i want as long as it isnt flaming which it was'nt so zip it.

Im not talking about the 6800ultra and x800 XT like i said. Out of every 10 people that have 9800 series cards i bet only 1 or 2 of them have "XT's"...the rest either pro or standard because only fools pay an extra £100 for an extra 4 fps/more heat and nothing extra THATS why i say the 6800 is better because i bet the GT and PRO out sell the ULTRA and XT by a long shot.
 
Alig said:
Im not talking about the 6800ultra and x800 XT like i said...
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You're also not talking about the topic of this thread... :borg:
 
1. The specs in my sig aren't fake.
2. My 64 bit cpu isn't useless, as I install XP in about 5 minutes with service packs and windows updates.
3. Noone has owned me, your just talking about the GT and the Pro. I'm talking about the Ultra and the XT. The GT is significantly better then the pro, without AA and AF...but who would want to play with jaggies anyway?

edit - i did this post without flaming ...consider that a good thing, as everyone on this forum who knows me knows i woulda been banned for replying like i would normally when someone tries to get the last word in. :-p
 
guinny said:
1. The specs in my sig aren't fake.
2. My 64 bit cpu isn't useless, as I install XP in about 5 minutes with service packs and windows updates.
3. Noone has owned me, your just talking about the GT and the Pro. I'm talking about the Ultra and the XT. The GT is significantly better then the pro, without AA and AF...but who would want to play with jaggies anyway?
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Its significally BETTER than the PRO with AA/AF period

And how the **** have you got an XT when they are'nt even out ?

Your 64 bit cpu is as useless as ps3.0...what uses 64bit ? apart from windows64 beta thats due out as retail in 2005 at the earliest. FC will be implementing PS3.0 into the game in its next patch, thats a patch that isnt due out in 2 years btw so expect PS3.0 usage within 3 months...not 2 years.

Your specs are fake. I saw you say you had an x800 PRO, not an XT ....your probably 9 years old who gets pocket money from your mum and dad every week and thinks that saying you got all the latest stuff makes your online appearence/dick size and thoughts better than everyone else.
 
I'm afraid that until Windows 64bit is out and proper 64bit software is in use, it's pretty much useless.

Oh, and you'll probably want to upgrade by that time... to use your own words.
 
Alig said:
your probably 9 years old who gets pocket money from your mum and dad every week and thinks that saying you got all the latest stuff makes your online appearence/dick size and thoughts better than everyone else.
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Its more like mommy and daddy had too much money and asked there son if he wanted a new pc. ROTFLMAO, if I had enough money I would get something better than his. :LOL:
 
More like a bunch of jealous little kids. ;)

But instead of flaming you for how incredibly dumb you are, I'm simply going to say, ok, your right. You win.
 
ComradeBadger said:
Says the person with a 64bit processor :rolleyes:
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why would you buy a 32bit cpu when all the 64 bit variants are clearly and vastly superior to 32bit for an equal price? there is a reason not to buy the 6800 if it supports a feature that will be largly unused until the next generation of graphics cards. its guinnys choice if he wants to upgrade now or then, but id pick now.

Alig said:
Your specs are fake. I saw you say you had an x800 PRO, not an XT ....your probably 9 years old who gets pocket money from your mum and dad every week and thinks that saying you got all the latest stuff makes your online appearence/dick size and thoughts better than everyone else.
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no. guinny works at trauma studios and develops DC. i think thats where his pocket money comes from. he does have an x800xt, you need to trust me on that lol i know him personally. though calling someone a child when theyve probably accomplished more in their life than you ever have is pretty weak.

ComradeBadger said:
I'm afraid that until Windows 64bit is out and proper 64bit software is in use, it's pretty much useless.

Oh, and you'll probably want to upgrade by that time... to use your own words.
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refer to my first post. if you are buying a 32bit processor right now for gaming, you are pretty stupid. besides, how do you know what he will use it for? theres a ton of 64bit software out right now.
 
It seemed like he was old enough to order the parts himself..

Maybe he bought it with his own money?
 
No RTFMish....Alig and Comrade know me front to back, they've got my number. ;)

Funny how they haven't the slightest clue about me yet they can make flamming judgements.
 
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