CBS Attempts to Kiss and Make Up

[seinfeldrules]

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/CA490493.html

Let the fence-mending begin. According to a Broadcasting & Cable source in Washington, D.C., CBS News president Andrew Heyward, along with Washington bureau chief Janet Leissner, recently met with White House communications director Dan Bartlett, in part to repair chilly relations with the Bush administration.
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Heyward was “working overtime to convince Bartlett that neither CBS News nor Rather had a vendetta against the White House,” our source says, “and from here on out would do everything it could to be fair and balanced.” CBS declined to comment.

 

[CptStern]

"fair and balanced" is a fox"news" trademark

 

[Gray Fox]

Tell me Seinfeld how does it feel to live with your head up your ass?

 

[seinfeldrules]

How so Grey Fox? For posting something you dont agree with? I dont see anything incorrect or even inflammatory in my post. Whats the line- "A person of 'tolerance and diversity' cant stand somebody else's opinion".

"fair and balanced" is a fox"news" trademark

Even CBS wants a piece of it! Good for them! Hopefully this is a sign that the left leaning media is being pushed back to the center.

 

[CptStern]

ya too bad it's a sort of a joke with Fox"news" ...heeh fox and news shouldnt even be said in the same breath ...hmmm

fox-info-tainment-conservative-propaganda-"news"-program


their slogan should be:

"meh we lie, but who cares? so does the president"

 

[seinfeldrules]

And your progressive media doesnt screw up at times? Everybody does stern, its life.

 

[Gray Fox]

Oh sorry Seinfeld I didn't insult you because of your post, I insulted just because you are a republican http://www.halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=47105&highlight=stupid+republicans

and most of all you actually have convinced yourself that fox news is fair and balanced, and are even comparing it to cbs, abc http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/networks/foxnews/foxnews.html

And besides the more left the media is the better, one of the credo's of the leftwing media is objectivity and that is also one of the things that rightwingers like you despise about them, that they insist on bringing real news and not beeing Patriotic, so in essence instead of beeing honest and saying that you are a republican because you're an ass and don't giva a shit about anyone else but yourself like Ann Coultner does you keep pretending you're actually a sane & objective person.

 

[seinfeldrules]

Oh sorry Seinfeld I didn't insult you because of your post, I insulted just because you are a republican

And again, somebody of 'diversity and tolerance' cant stand people with an opposing viewpoint. How ironic that is.

and most of all you actually have convinced yourself that fox news is fair and balanced, and are even comparing it to cbs, abc

Where did I compare it to the cesspool of the left wing media?

one of the credo's of the leftwing media is objectivity and that is also one of the things that rightwingers like you despise about them, that they insist on bringing real news

Or blatantly being biased by only running pieces supporting the left. When that doesnt work, you can always forge documents to get your point across.

saying that you are a republican because you're an ass and don't giva a shit about anyone else

But you dont care enough to support the removal of Saddam? How did Bush up the money our gov't gives over that of the Clinton admin.?

Your extreme view of Republicans is laughable at best. At this rate, the Democrats wont win another election for the next 50 years. You dont realize that you consider yourselves better than anybody who disagrees with you, and thats your downfall.

 

[Gray Fox]

No the reason the democrats won't win an election for the next 50 years is because they beliefe in democracy and thus don't rig the election like you do. there is nothing ironic about me calling you that because you are a republican and it's not intolerance, it's just that you have to be an hypocritic idiot to support bush, read my link.

Or blatantly being biased by only running pieces supporting the left. When that doesnt work, you can always forge documents to get your point across.

So you say, but can you give me a few links, like i did. You know you often accuse the left of the things we accuse you but somehow you never give links or supporting evidence, you seem to think that because you are all paranoid delusional diskheads that everyone is.

But you dont care enough to support the removal of Saddam? How did Bush up the money our gov't gives over that of the Clinton admin.?

I would gladly support the removal of saddam, if it meant that something far worse wouldn't coem in to it's place, http://www.soaw.org/new/index.php.

But tell me, how come you beliefe that bush did that because he thought saddam had weapons of mass destruction, then why didn't he attack NK, which is confirmed that has them and has missles that can hit the US

 

[seinfeldrules]

there is nothing ironic about me calling you that because you are a republican and it's not intolerance, it's just that you have to be an hypocritic idiot to support bush, read my link.

Read your link of what? A joke? Your case is based on a joke?

No the reason the democrats won't win an election for the next 50 years is because they beliefe in democracy and thus don't rig the election like you do

You know Kerry supporters slashed tires, in Ohio, of vans that would have carried voters to polls. Saying such things is such a paranoid response to losing two elections running.

So you say, but can you give me a few links, like i did. You know you often accuse the left of the things we accuse you but somehow you never give links or supporting evidence, you seem to think that because you are all paranoid delusional diskheads that everyone is.

If you havent heard of the RatherGate scandal then you shouldnt be writing in this thread to begin with.

I would gladly support the removal of saddam, if it meant that something far worse wouldn't coem in to it's place

You're accusing US troops of executing 200,000 citizens, and killing 200,000+ others? Then witholding 12 billion dollars in aid to spend on building palaces?

But tell me, how come you beliefe that bush did that because he thought saddam had weapons of mass destruction, then why didn't he attack NK, which is confirmed that has them and has missles that can hit the US

Do you expect us to deal with every threat simultaneously? NK is definitely being looked at and we have pushed for diplomatic talks with them.

 

[CptStern]

seinfeldrules ..really, you need to do some more research ..saddam turned a profit by reselling the oil ..and US companies turned a blind eye to it

here do some reading ....Haliburton (under ceo cheney) made $73 million in contracts with saddam as late as 2000 ...so I wouldnt head down that road cuz you were in bed with the enemy, which is nothing new

 

[Absinthe]

Do you expect us to deal with every threat simultaneously? NK is definitely being looked at and we have pushed for diplomatic talks with them.

But what's funny is that Bush went after the country that wasn't a threat.

If you fail to see the irony in that...

 

[Narcolepsy]

Though I tend to lean to the left, please realize that all I'm seeing here is irrationality. There is no synthesis of views, no socratic discussion. Just mindless propaganda thrown back and forth.

 

[KoreBolteR]

i dont know what your all on about.
Fox news is a great channel, imo, it is fair and balanced.. as is sky news.

cptstern i bet youve seen faranheit 9/11. lol :dozey:

 

[Kangy]

i dont know what your all on about.
Fox news is a great channel, imo, it is fair and balanced.. as is sky news.

It's the same network. Were you joking?

 

[KoreBolteR]

It's the same network. Were you joking?

yeah its the same Network, but not the same news.
i like cnn and fox news tho, both good.
plus cnn was all they had in the hotel room this summer, i jus watched beslan when it got too hot outside.

in the night i got smashed :upstare:

 

[CptStern]

cptstern i bet youve seen faranheit 9/11. lol :dozey:

I also protested the first war, I didnt just wake up one day and decide all wasnt kosher in the US of A, years of research my friend


btw for a brit, you're remarkedly unbritish ...methinks you're an american living across the pond

 

[seinfeldrules]

seinfeldrules ..really, you need to do some more research ..saddam turned a profit by reselling the oil ..and US companies turned a blind eye to it

Stern, you do some research. Saddam took the oil for food money, 12 billion worth, and spent it on palaces and other needless stuff. The UN let it slide right on by, probably because the Germans, French, and Russians were selling Saddam weapons and taking his oil.

 

[Eg.]

21 billion, get it straight damnitt if u wan to call urself a conservative. do not leave a black mark on our name

 

[KoreBolteR]

I also protested the first war, I didnt just wake up one day and decide all wasnt kosher in the US of A, years of research my friend


btw for a brit, you're remarkedly unbritish ...methinks you're an american living across the pond

nope, 100% British, lol :cheers:

i jus dont want to disrespect our british troops out there.
i disagreed with the war in the start, but we have to live with it.
nothing we do can change it ...

 

[brink's]

nope, 100% British, lol :cheers:

i jus dont want to disrespect our british troops out there.
i disagreed with the war in the start, but we have to live with it.
nothing we do can change it ...

So even though it's unjust and inhumain you support it cause there's nothing you can do about it??? How bout protesting??????????? or I don't know not supporting it?

 

[KoreBolteR]

So even though it's unjust and inhumain you support it cause there's nothing you can do about it??? How bout protesting??????????? or I don't know not supporting it?

has protesting got in anywhere, i dont think so, im just going to support the troops, i hate it when they get jailed for killing terrorists that people got angry over.

"oh oh he was defenceless, on the floor"
... yeah well last time they checked a guy lying on the ground pretending to be dead, he detonated himself and killed 6 marines.
good enuff for him he shud have put his hands up and shouted for forgiveness. terrorists should burn in hell tbh .

 

[el Chi]

And your progressive media doesnt screw up at times? Everybody does stern, its life.

Certainly true, but that can't help one being pissed off at a media source that is horribly biased - especially when that bias is contrary to your own views

 

[KoreBolteR]

Certainly true, but that can't help one being pissed off at a media source that is horribly biased - especially when that bias is contrary to your own views

you could say that about Al-Jazeera TV, they help direct anger at the west and therefore, more people join the terrorists ;(

 

[el Chi]

I honestly don't think that's entirely true. The reason they got Osama's tapes - as one example of what could be construed as anti-Western propaganda - was because they are a specifically Arabic channel. Had he decided to send them to Fox, for example, thhe channel still would have ran it with relish. What kind of ridiculous exclusive news opportunity is that!?

 

[CptStern]

nope, 100% British, lol :cheers:

i jus dont want to disrespect our british troops out there.
i disagreed with the war in the start, but we have to live with it.
nothing we do can change it ...

Who's disrespecting the troops? not I (well, except a choice few who deserve it) And by extension if you say you respect your troops then logically you would be concerned with their welfare ..which leads us back to the justification for the war. If it was based on a lie then by your own stated support of your troops it is your duty as a citizen to stand up for them: demand that your government pulls the troops out of iraq for their

has protesting got in anywhere, i dont think so, im just going to support the troops,

more people protested the start of this war than any other war in history ..over a 100 million people ...the more you know the more you get involved, the more you get involved the more your government become accountable to the will of the people.

i hate it when they get jailed for killing terrorists that people got angry over.

so you're saying they have carte blanche to kill whomever they please? regardless of guilt?

"oh oh he was defenceless, on the floor"
... yeah well last time they checked a guy lying on the ground pretending to be dead, he detonated himself and killed 6 marines.
good enuff for him he shud have put his hands up and shouted for forgiveness. terrorists should burn in hell tbh .

please, that incident was suspect enough to warrent a formal investigation by the military. There are countless examples of soldiers killing defenseless combatants/civilians/suspects/prisoners contrary to international and humanitarian laws and ethics ..and dont give me that "what about the terrorists" argument cuz the coalition has a far higher standard to live up to: they're liberators not conquerors ......right?

 

[seinfeldrules]

more people protested the start of this war than any other war in history ..over a 100 million people ...the more you know the more you get involved, the more you get involved the more your government become accountable to the will of the people.

Maybe if 100 million people were out protesting Saddam in 1993 then countles lives could have been spared. Maybe these 100 million people should be protesting NK's treatment of its people.

 

[KoreBolteR]

when you sat countless examples.
the only Mistake the "few" marines in abu grave (whatever) prison was a minority, and they got sentenced. but the guy who killed the TERRORIST/KILLER pretending to be dead was good enuff imo, what if the guy had a gun and shot them all as they left the building?

so you're saying they have carte blanche to kill whomever they please? regardless of guilt?

thos "whomever" are terrorists, people who kill civilians on purpose dont let any innocent person get in thier way/ use the civilians as sheilds because they know that the "western critics" like you, will go nuts if a marine kills a civilian being used by the terrorist as a shield.

with 100 million people protesting the war, and STILL the war goes on,
i think thats a point that no protesting can change the mind of Bush.

When i mean disrespecting the troops, im mean, give them support. They are there to kill Terrorists, and when they do, some people go nuts (feeling sorry for the terrorists) "hes human" when hes not ahuman at all, terrorists are monsters, i cant really call people who kill innocent people, and set of roadside bombs to cause havoc "human"

 

[CptStern]

and china and sudan and the congo and haiti and the US and and and and ...you have to pick your battles ..tell me when was the last time you did anything for your country? posting patriotic posts here doesnt count

you'd be surprised but I sort of agree with you ...if more people got off their ass and cared more about the injustices in this world and less about how big their suv is a lot of this crap would be preventable.

tell me seinfeldrules ..why did the US block an attempt by Iran to bring saddam to justice during the height of his barbarity? Why did they purposefully block Iran's UN resolution on saddam's crimes against humanity?

 

[el Chi]

Who's disrespecting the troops? not I (well, except a choice few who deserve it) And by extension if you say you respect your troops then logically you would be concerned with their welfare ..which leads us back to the justification for the war. If it was based on a lie then by your own stated support of your troops it is your duty as a citizen to stand up for them: demand that your government pulls the troops out of iraq for their

Cap'n, I usually agree with you but I can't on this point. The country is in a terrible state and it is our fault. As such we should take responsibility for our actions and help to rebuild. History shows us that whenever a country is "liberated", or whatever you want to call it, by an outside force if that force suddenly goes home after crushing the country for the sake of "peace and freedom" - well quite simply you cannot. You plunge a country into turmoil and then you just leave, thus plunging them into further turmoil. What you end up with - almost invariably - is more violence, corruption and usually you just end up with another tyrannical dictator as bad as the last one.
This is precisely what happened in Afghanistan the first time around. The CIA helped the Taliban because they thought they'd be better than the USSR (even if it was only slightly) and then they pretty much buggered off and that f*cked up stupendously. The US still gave them money, but it basically ignored the mess it had helped create without attempting to help in the first place. The same happened when the British empire was given up and we just withdrew. In all fairness, a lot of countries couldn't wait to see the back of us and didn't want our help at all but even so, we could have tried harder, I think.
After WW2, the Allies heped rebuild and support some of Germany and other European nations that had been completely desimated by the violence and now many of them are thriving, strong democracies and important on the world stage.
I don't agree with the lies that the war was based but I don't believe we can justifiably completely withdraw now. I'm not saying that our presence there will solve all Iraq's ills, nor am I saying that it will prevent another dictatorship (I'm almost positive that it will not, elections or no). However the US nor the UK can simply leave now after what we've done, after the mess we've helped create.


As for the rest of your post: Right on, sister. Or something.

 

[KoreBolteR]

and china and sudan and the congo and haiti and the US and and and and ...you have to pick your battles ..tell me when was the last time you did anything for your country? posting patriotic posts here doesnt count

you'd be surprised but I sort of agree with you ...if more people got off their ass and cared more about the injustices in this world and less about how big their suv is a lot of this crap would be preventable.

tell me seinfeldrules ..why did the US block an attempt by Iran to bring saddam to justice during the height of his barbarity? Why did they purposefully block Iran's UN resolution on saddam's crimes against humanity?

that was wrong, but NOW that the US are bringing him to justice is that a wrong thing no, they might have done a wrong thing years ago, but theres always time to make a wrong, a right

 

[seinfeldrules]

tell me when was the last time you did anything for your country?

Paid my taxes, I'm not really bitching about much else. I do plan to serve for the Gov't later in life.

tell me seinfeldrules ..why did the US block an attempt by Iran to bring saddam to justice during the height of his barbarity?

It was the early 80s before Saddam really gassed innocents. His main campaign against the Kurds was in 88. Afterwards, we did allow resolutions to pass. Ill post the link when I am at a computer where I have them saved. Why did you oppose Saddam's removal from Kuwait?

Why did they purposefully block Iran's UN resolution on saddam's crimes against humanity?

You just asked the same question twice...

 

[CptStern]

when you sat countless examples.
the only Mistake the "few" marines in abu grave (whatever) prison was a minority, and they got sentenced.

nope there were many other cases ..here's one example. Sure there have been some inroads in curbing specific cases of abuse/murder but when it's sanctioned by the government they tend to lose credibility

but the guy who killed the TERRORIST/KILLER pretending to be dead was good enuff imo,

sorry but your opinion doesnt count ..the military is investigating the incident

what if the guy had a gun and shot them all as they left the building?

you obviously didnt see the video ..the person was wounded and had been lying there for at least 24 hours prior to being shot

thos "whomever" are terrorists, people who kill civilians on purpose dont let any innocent person get in thier way/ use the civilians as sheilds because they know that the "western critics" like you, will go nuts if a marine kills a civilian being used by the terrorist as a shield.

if that was the only coaltion target I'd say it was somewhat justified (although they are the occupiers so they're actually indirectly responsible for the death of the civilian)

with 100 million people protesting the war, and STILL the war goes on,
i think thats a point that no protesting can change the mind of Bush.

public opinion eventually pulled the troops out of vietnam so dont tell me it's not effective ...mark my words americans will not tolerate their soldiers dying at an alarming rate perpetually ...sooner or later they will say enough's enough

 

[el Chi]

Except with 'Nam it was obvious they'd been stubbornly fighting a losing battle for many years. In Iraq, they've started so the cahnces are they may stay till they diceide they've finished. Although that time could coincide with the time when Americans are really too pissed off to tolerate it any more.

 

[CptStern]

Paid my taxes, I'm not really bitching about much else. I do plan to serve for the Gov't later in life.

so you'll not put your money where your mouth is and serve in the military? in your country's time of need? for shame

It was the early 80s before Saddam really gassed innocents. His main campaign against the Kurds was in 88.

ummmmmmm no, at this point 1984 saddam had already slaughters 10's of thousands of kurds. But do go on ...I'd like to see how you can possibly justify the US' support of saddam using WMD

Afterwards, we did allow resolutions to pass. Ill post the link when I am at a computer where I have them saved.

I'd like to see your info, because no action was taken against saddam ..in fact the US stepped up their support

Why did you oppose Saddam's removal from Kuwait?

who opposed it? Not I ..I opposed the US invasion of Iraq, I opposed the crippling sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of children ..I stood up for what was right

You just asked the same question twice...

for emphasis

 

[CptStern]

Except with 'Nam it was obvious they'd been stubbornly fighting a losing battle for many years. In Iraq, they've started so the cahnces are they may stay till they diceide they've finished. Although that time could coincide with the time when Americans are really too pissed off to tolerate it any more.

ya ..the biggest roadblock I see is the media ..in vietnam anyone with a camera could report what was happening behind the lines ...the US has learned from their mistakes that's why there's only approved media embedded in iraq ..to control the flow of information

 

[KoreBolteR]

sorry but your opinion doesnt count ..the military is investigating the incident

yeah none of our opinions count, especially those who were protesting.

you obviously didnt see the video ..the person was wounded and had been lying there for at least 24 hours prior to being shot

so was the terrorist who'd detonated and killed 6 or more marines, lying there injured for 24 hours or more with a detonator under his body with his finger on it.

if that was the only coaltion target I'd say it was somewhat justified (although they are the occupiers so they're actually indirectly responsible for the death of the civilian)

that still doesnt change the fact that the terrorists use the innocents as shields because they know that if a marine kills them it would get more of a response and more hatred directed towards the west.

public opinion eventually pulled the troops out of vietnam so dont tell me it's not effective ...mark my words americans will not tolerate their soldiers dying at an alarming rate perpetually ...sooner or later they will say enough's enough

but tell me what happened when the troops in vietnam got home, Some US troops were forgotten about., so are you saying if we pull these troops out of Iraq now (like what happened in Nam), will be a good thing, causing more turmoil for the people fo Iraq, leaving them exposed to these bomb planting beheaders aka terrorists.

 

[CptStern]

yeah none of our opinions count, especially those who were protesting.

you misunderstand me ...your opinion doesnt count in that case because you are not involved in it

so was the terrorist who'd detonated and killed 6 or more marines, lying there injured for 24 hours or more with a detonator under his body with his finger on it.

noooo, where did you get that from? there was no detonator found ..he allegedly reached for his gun

that still doesnt change the fact that the terrorists use the innocents as shields because they know that if a marine kills them it would get more of a response and more hatred directed towards the west.

that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand ...you seem to be saying that since the terrorists are behaving a certain way it gives the troops every right to do as they please ...remember ..the US is there to help the people of iraq

but tell me what happened when the troops in vietnam got home, Some US troops were forgotten about., so are you saying if we pull these troops out of Iraq now (like what happened in Nam), will be a good thing, causing more turmoil for the people fo Iraq, leaving them exposed to these bomb planting beheaders aka terrorists.

well it's like the chicken and the egg ...the terrorist recruiting camp that is now Iraq didnt exist during saddam's time. You broke it, it's your responsibility to fix it

 

[KoreBolteR]

you misunderstand me ...your opinion doesnt count in that case because you are not involved in it

are you? lol

noooo, where did you get that from? there was no detonator found ..he allegedly reached for his gun

it was on the news a couple of weeks back.

that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand ...you seem to be saying that since the terrorists are behaving a certain way it gives the troops every right to do as they please ...remember ..the US is there to help the people of iraq

yes, and since the terrorist "west-haters" are there too stop Coalition helping Iraq, they try and Turn people into "critics" like yourself

the only thing the troops can do is kill the people who are stopping them help the Iraqi people, But them people are using the Civilians as a Shield, which then after mistakingly killing that innocent (because of terrorist using them as shield) Marines are sent down to jail, because of political correctness, its "bs".

well it's like the chicken and the egg ...the terrorist recruiting camp that is now Iraq didnt exist during saddam's time. You broke it, it's your responsibility to fix it

ah you see, there were terrorist camps in Afghanistan and other countries around the world before US went in iraq to save the people from a Powermad Dictator. as you see all these terrorist camps helped make the plans for 9/11.

One thing i wudda done if i was bush, was put more troops in Afghanistan to catch Mr Bin, he only put 11,000 in there, he shudda put 200,000 or more imo, before focusing on saddam.

 

[CptStern]

are you? lol

I never claimed to be ..I stated my opinion but it holds no weight as I'm not on the military tribunal that will decide the soldiers fate .....if any

it was on the news a couple of weeks back.

source ..I think you're talking about another incident

yes, and since the terrorist "west-haters" are there too stop Coalition helping Iraq, they try and Turn people into "critics" like yourself

dont assume you know me ...I've been against the incurion into iraq since the first war ...I dont take sides based on a few scant sources

the only thing the troops can do is kill the people who are stopping them help the Iraqi people, But them people are using the Civilians as a Shield, which then after mistakingly killing that innocent (because of terrorist using them as shield) Marines are sent down to jail, because of political correctness, its "bs".

is that why 7000 + iraqi civilians died as a result of terrorists using civilians as shield? :upstare:

ah you see, there were terrorist camps in Afghanistan and other countries around the world before US went in iraq to save the people from a Powermad Dictator. as you see all these terrorist camps helped make the plans for 9/11.

so in essence you're supporting the fact that the US created that situation? ...saddam would have been nothing without western help

One thing i wudda done if i was bush, was put more troops in Afghanistan to catch Mr Bin, he only put 11,000 in there, he shudda put 200,000 or more imo, before focusing on saddam.

ahhh but that's not profitable now is it?