Chastity Bono transitioning to male

[Warped]

Sonny and Cher's child transitioning from female to male

(CNN) -- Chastity Bono, gay-rights activist and child of performer Cher and the late entertainer and politician Sonny Bono, is in the early stages of transitioning from a female to a male and will be known as Chaz, his spokesman said Thursday.

"Chaz, after many years of consideration, has made the courageous decision to honor his true identity," Howard Bragman said in a written statement.

"He is proud of his decision and grateful for the support and respect that has already been shown by his loved ones. It is Chaz's hope that his choice to transition will open the hearts and minds of the public regarding this issue, just as his 'coming out' did nearly 20 years ago."

Someone's decision to transition does not necessarily mean they are undergoing gender reassignment surgery, and in many cases they do not, said Mara Keisling, executive director of the Washington-based National Center for Transgender Equality.

"The whole media fixation on surgery is kind of misplaced," she said. "Almost no transgender people ever have surgery. We don't have any idea how many do." iReport.com: Do you have a transgender story?

An estimated one-quarter to one-half percent of the American population is transsexual, however, Keisling said. "It's sort of a general term that encompasses both or either a social transition or a medical transition."

Keisling said she was unaware of the specifics in Bono's case, but speaking generally, a transition means that he will now want to be "known, seen, viewed" as a male.

"The actual details depend on his needs and wants and his doctor's needs and wants," she said.

Bragman asked that the media "respect Chaz's privacy during this long process, as he will not be doing any interviews at this time."
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Now 40, Bono as a little girl made regular appearances on her parents' show, "The Sonny and Cher Comedy Hour." As an adult, he has been a longtime gay-rights advocate and been closely associated with the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. Photo See more photos from Chastity Bono's life »

Bono's father, Sonny Bono, was a U.S. representative from California when he was killed in a skiing accident in January 1998.

I just threw up in my mouth...a lot! she just wants a pee pee so she can shove it in her girlfriends you know what! just throwin that out there

your thoughts??

 

[Diesel_Power]

1. As long as no one is getting hurt
2. Tax payers aren't footing the bill

Do what you want.

 

[BabyHeadCrab]

Good for him?

 

[G(ordon)-man]

If that's true, then there are 1,53 million transsexuals in USA.

 

[amaranth]

The sex change is his/her own business. Why should we care about it?

 

[Darkside55]

she just wants a pee pee so she can shove it in her girlfriends you know what!

For a psych class we had a post-op mtf transsexual come speak at one of the lecture halls, and I can't remember if it was her or my teacher (who was apparently a good friend of hers) who made the joke:

"The one operation medical science has yet to perfect is an 'addadictomy."

Heh heh, phalloplasty.



Anyway what do you care? Are you jealous because Chaz's fake weiner will be getting some puss while yours isn't?

 

[nurizeko]

She wants to be considered a guy but she is still going to be a she?.

Sorry but without that op as far as I am concerned she is still a midden. Just a really manly one.

But you know, whatever. Her life.

 

[Eejit]

She wants to be considered a guy but she is still going to be a she?.

Sorry but without that op as far as I am concerned she is still a midden. Just a really manly one.

But you know, whatever. Her life.

I think trannies generally have to live like the opposite sex for a period of time prior to the op.

 

[VirusType2]

attention man whore

 

[Robbo]

"He" needs to hit the gym

 

[Stigmata]

Minus the connection to Cher, this is a nice story.

 

[kupocake]

She wants to be considered a guy but she is still going to be a she?

Where did you get that? Or is this a 'you are what you start out as' argument phrased in a really retarded way?

That said, transitioning at 40 is suspiciously like someone with a lot of cash is having a mid-life crisis. I know the science behind FtM is pretty rubbish, but still. Someone so prominently spot-lighted on queer issues can't have had that much holding her back from making whatever decision she wanted to make.

 

[Raziaar]

Doesn't affect me. I won't affect her/him by trying to stop it.

 

[Lucid]

Gross.

 

[Darkside55]

Doesn't affect me. I won't affect her/him by trying to stop it.

Even if you tried, do you think you'd be manly enough to stop a guy named Chaz?

 

[CptStern]

who cares? she's doing something that makes her happy

40 is suspiciously like someone with a lot of cash is having a mid-life crisis

oh come on, the mid life crisis is that you want to be a youth again, which is why so many old bald guys drive convertible sports cars. people dont change their freakin sex on a whim; there's NO turning back.

 

[Raziaar]

Even if you tried, do you think you'd be manly enough to stop a guy named Chaz?

I can't stop anything from my armchair... wait, my chair doesn't even have arms.

 

[alpha incipiens]

attention man whore

Yeah man transgendered people (and well all homosexuals really) are just doing it for the attention, I mean it's not like it's a huge life change that will cause them to endure a lot of hatred, bigotry and plain ignorance or anything and personally I sleep with guys on the weekend and wear skirts it's not that big a deal

Furthermore I think that by not doing interviews and requesting to have his privacy it is clear that he is just loving all this attention the press is giving him

And finally I think that he really should have just stayed in the god damn closet, I mean what if my children start thinking it is okay if they are uncomfortable with their gender identity or sexuality, it is disgusting really and he is degrading family values by forcing his lifestyle choice on us all

 

[kupocake]

people dont change their freakin sex on a whim; there's NO turning back.

I don't disagree with you, but you've really got to question this... you don't let yourself get to 40 in a body that physically repulses you unless you have serious burdens and closeting issues. And it's hardly unprecendented for people to make stupid, largely cosmetic changes to their body in middle age. (I mean, holy shit. This is Cher's offspring we're talking about here).

Though since Erectile dysfunction is more common by the time you're male and 40, I suppose FtM transition becomes more accurate at that age

 

[alpha incipiens]

There's a huge difference between embracing your sexuality and embracing your gender identity. Attitudes towards homosexuality are far more accepting than those toward transsexuals; you can see evidence within this thread, as people are openly voicing their disgust.

 

[CptStern]

I don't disagree with you, but you've really got to question this... you don't let yourself get to 40 in a body that physically repulses you unless you have serious burdens and closeting issues.

have you seen this thread?

http://halflife2.net/forums/showthread.php?t=119785&highlight=legs

And it's hardly unprecendented for people to make stupid, largely cosmetic changes to their body in middle age. (I mean, holy shit. This is Cher's offspring we're talking about here).

liposuction and rhinoplasty does NOT compare to cutting off your pee pee, sectioning it and then using it to construct a vagina. nor does it compare to the years of hormone injections, psychological assessments and gender reassignment therapy that they'll have to endure prior to and after surgery. this isnt simply chaning a part of your body, it's changing your entire gender. Most doctors wont even perform the operation unless the person has met certain guidelines like living as the opposite sex without surgery for an extended period before they're eligible for a gender reassignment. really to compare it to a nose job or boob job is laughable because neither of those two "conditions" lead to depression or suicide (unless the people in question are really really really shallow)

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

I'm disgusting to transsexuals.

 

[CptStern]

I'm disgusting to transsexuals.

not manly/womanly enough for them?

 

[alpha incipiens]

I'm disgusting to transsexuals.

Hey, not all of them.

What are you doing tonight, sweetcheeks?

 

[Higlac]

Good for shim.

 

[Tyguy]

i'd love to see the surgery first hand. Well, i dont want to touch anything but it would be cool nonetheless.

"scalpel.....forceps......penis"

 

[kupocake]

liposuction and rhinoplasty does NOT compare to cutting off your pee pee, sectioning it and then using it to construct a vagina. nor does it compare to the years of hormone injections, psychological assessments and gender reassignment therapy that they'll have to endure prior to and after surgery.

1. Why are you gibbering about Male to Female transition? This is Female to Male. Her boobs get lopped off, and the article stresses at some length that it's not known whether Chastity intends to go as far as genital reassignment.
2. Defending this case on the strength of the rigorous guidelines that govern transition is irrelevant, since it's unclear from the article whether this is anything but a self-assessment with no professional ratification (Consider: "Bragman asked that the media "respect Chaz's privacy during this long process, as he will not be doing any interviews at this time.")

really to compare it to a nose job or boob job is laughable because neither of those two "conditions" lead to depression or suicide (unless the people in question are really really really shallow)

Fine, but the point is that transitioning should CURE depression or thoughts of suicide linked to gender dysphoria. Again, how is that consistent with getting to 40 years of age, open and out as a Lesbian in a supportive environment? Chastity Bono, Chaz Bono, whatever. The notion that she has to suffer anything like the kind of shit that any other transgender person does is a credit to your liberal mindedness, but I'm sure many would find it frankly insulting.

 

[Farrowlesparrow]

My cheeks are sour. My cheeks are bitter.

Oh boy did this get taken out of context.
Still. The points stand!

 

[CptStern]

1. Why are you gibbering about Male to Female transition? This is Female to Male. Her boobs get lopped off, and the article stresses at some length that it's not known whether Chastity intends to go as far as genital reassignment.
2. Defending this case on the strength of the rigorous guidelines that govern transition is irrelevant, since it's unclear from the article whether this is anything but a self-assessment with no professional ratification (Consider: "Bragman asked that the media "respect Chaz's privacy during this long process, as he will not be doing any interviews at this time.")

and that long process involves gender reassignment consouling. you seem to be proving my point. that it wasnt just a sur of the moment whim

Fine, but the point is that transitioning should CURE depression or thoughts of suicide linked to gender dysphoria. Again, how is that consistent with getting to 40 years of age, open and out as a Lesbian in a supportive environment? Chastity Bono, Chaz Bono, whatever. The notion that she has to suffer anything like the kind of shit that any other transgender person does is a credit to your liberal mindedness, but I'm sure many would find it frankly insulting.

granted her experiences growing up are not typical however rich people can still be bigots, can still be discriminating ..I mean no one was surprised to know she was a lesbian, I'm sure she's had some discrimination in her life. I have and I'm white and male

 

[alpha incipiens]

Again, how is that consistent with getting to 40 years of age, open and out as a Lesbian in a supportive environment? Chastity Bono, Chaz Bono, whatever. The notion that she has to suffer anything like the kind of shit that any other transgender person does is a credit to your liberal mindedness, but I'm sure many would find it frankly insulting.

There's no guarantee that she's in a supportive environment. If you think there are no homosexuals who find transsexuals disgusting, then you are sorely mistaken, sir.

And I'd argue that he's going to have more to deal with in this transition than someone else would; most people don't have the media watching them go through something so personal.

 

[kupocake]

and that long process involves gender reassignment consouling. you seem to be proving my point. that it wasnt just a sur of the moment whim

The long process is future tensed. She hasn't gone through it yet.

most people don't have the media watching them go through something so personal.

Most people don't tell the media first.

 

[VirusType2]

Yeah man transgendered people (and well all homosexuals really) are just doing it for the attention, I mean it's not like it's a huge life change that will cause them to endure a lot of hatred, bigotry and plain ignorance or anything and personally I sleep with guys on the weekend and wear skirts it's not that big a deal

Furthermore I think that by not doing interviews and requesting to have his privacy it is clear that he is just loving all this attention the press is giving him

And finally I think that he really should have just stayed in the god damn closet, I mean what if my children start thinking it is okay if they are uncomfortable with their gender identity or sexuality, it is disgusting really and he is degrading family values by forcing his lifestyle choice on us all

Um, woah.

I am not a merged demographic of every kind of person you don't agree with on anything.


But then I realize that there are people that DON'T like making jokes about random people they've never heard of: falling down the stairs, getting run over by trains, and having penises removed or boobs attached, and I'm tolerant of these people [that don't think it's funny].

 

[alpha incipiens]

Sorry love, didn't realize you were joking. And I wasn't implying that you held all of those viewpoints (more jokes!). But calling a transgendered person an attention whore is a disgustingly common attitude which I find abhorrent, so sorry for going off the handle a bit.

 

[VirusType2]

Try not to get upset when I laugh at the wrong thing. Raz gets mad when I laugh at the way people look. lolol

If I knew these people, I am extremely caring. I just only have so much love to go around, and to be honest, .. I've never heard of [strikeout]her[/strikeout] him until now.

:angel:

 

[CptStern]

The long process is future tensed. She hasn't gone through it yet.

Most people don't tell the media first.

actually she's been going through the process since she was a child. and again it sounds like you're agreeing with me. that it was a long drawn out thought process rather than a whim as you initially suggested

 

[Crushenator 500]

I kept reading that article thinking they were talking about cher having a sex change. I wouldn't have found that very surprising tbh

 

[Tyguy]

I kept reading that article thinking they were talking about cher having a sex change. I wouldn't have found that very surprising tbh

ya, she should just have the surgery and become a legit woman.

 

[kupocake]

actually she's been going through the process since she was a child.

Source? Sounds like you're speaking for her using trans- stereotypes to fit her into the model, when nowhere in the original article does she claim to have had relevant experiences of Gender Identity Disorder in her childhood, and has openly and apparently happily lived in a completely contradictory sexual role for over two decades.

and again it sounds like you're agreeing with me. that it was a long drawn out thought process rather than a whim as you initially suggested

I'm just saying that her 'long drawn process' has taken twice as long as most classic (documented, actually professionally assessed) trans- cases, and can in no way have caused her an ounce of anguish if it has taken her this long to act on it.

I call BS on the whole affair. Which is odd, because before you started acting 'more liberal than thou', I frankly couldn't give two shits about my original throwaway comment.

 

[nurizeko]

Only on HL2.net and 4chan can members somehow find a way to argue over a dyke.

 

[Krynn72]

Only on HL2.net and 4chan can members somehow find a way to argue over a dyke.

A man can't be a dyke.