Chemists: TATP Liquid Bombs Impossible to Make In Jet Lavatory--Huge Hoax

[No Limit]

If I had to fly anytime soon I'd be pretty pissed. This desription by Thomas Greene and an accompanying Chemistry PDF, show how making liquid bombs on a plane is virtually IMPOSSIBLE. You'd have to be in the lavatory for hours, then dry it for hours, and the acetone fumes would kill you anyhow.

Now for the fun part. Take your hydrogen peroxide, acetone, and sulfuric acid, measure them very carefully, and put them into drinks bottles for convenient smuggling onto a plane. It's all right to mix the peroxide and acetone in one container, so long as it remains cool. Don't forget to bring several frozen gel-packs (preferably in a Styrofoam chiller deceptively marked "perishable foods"), a thermometer, a large beaker, a stirring rod, and a medicine dropper. You're going to need them.

It's best to fly first class and order Champagne. The bucket full of ice water, which the airline ought to supply, might possibly be adequate - especially if you have those cold gel-packs handy to supplement the ice, and the Styrofoam chiller handy for insulation - to get you through the cookery without starting a fire in the lavvie.

Once the plane is over the ocean, very discreetly bring all of your gear into the toilet. You might need to make several trips to avoid drawing attention. Once your kit is in place, put a beaker containing the peroxide / acetone mixture into the ice water bath (Champagne bucket), and start adding the acid, drop by drop, while stirring constantly. Watch the reaction temperature carefully. The mixture will heat, and if it gets too hot, you'll end up with a weak explosive. In fact, if it gets really hot, you'll get a premature explosion possibly sufficient to kill you, but probably no one else.

After a few hours - assuming, by some miracle, that the fumes haven't overcome you or alerted passengers or the flight crew to your activities - you'll have a quantity of TATP with which to carry out your mission. Now all you need to do is dry it for an hour or two.

http://www.anywhichway.net/article.php?story=liquidexplosives

Maybe our friend numbers can shed some more light on this, he's crazy about that kind of stuff .

If this liquid thing is such a threat why haven't the terrorists done this yet? If our government knew about this for over a decade why did they decide to bring this up right before the 2006 election?

 

[No Limit]

For clarification here is a wikipedia article on TATP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetone_peroxide

 

[Sulkdodds]

Interesting.

Dirty bomb threat, anyone?

 

[SAJ]

Dirty bomb threat, anyone?

No thanks , had one earlier.

 

[Raeven0]

Hey, I heard that same article on my radio a couple of weeks ago! Then I forgot about it almost instantaneously and so never bothered to research its validity.

Why isn't there any rioting in the streets over this stuff?

 

[15357]

Gee. You don't actually need the acid, just [edit]

 

[Krynn72]

Gee. You don't actually need the acid, just [edit]

HAHA, He actually did edit it.

 

[15357]

Yeah, I was worried that hectic glennn might ban me....

 

[bliink]

breastmilk again, eh?

 

[15357]

well, I haven't tried that.

 

[15357]

You guys just don't know the beauty of the physics of flammable liquids, the combustion of volatile vapor, nor the awe-inspiring brilliance of explosives......

 

[No Limit]

You guys just don't know the beauty of the physics of flammable liquids, the combustion of volatile vapor, nor the awe-inspiring brilliance of explosives......

So you are saying mixing this stuff on a plane would only take a couple minutes and the fumes wouldn't aleret anyone and the explosion would be big enough to actually blow a hole in the plane?

 

[15357]

Melt, actually.

 

[No Limit]

Melt, actually.

So what would you use to melt it? You can't exactly build a lab on a plane.

 

[Korgoth]

Survey Says!

"Talking out of his ass"

 

[SAJ]

Survey Says!

"Talking out of his ass"

Survey says, this thread is being monitored by the NSA , CIA and MI6.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Didnt they try something similar in 1995:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060811/wl_afp/britainusattacksairlinephilippinesplot


I'm not scared of flights, i'm pissed off this shit even hit the news, they shouldnt parade this stuff, now i have to wait hours on heathrow, and on flights to the US i cant even take liquids, and before that i had to put laptops in suitcases!! You have any idea how airport personal lob suitcases around ?
Ah well, excuse my airpost frustration, i'm just sick of waiting in their lines

 

[No Limit]

Didnt they try something similar in 1995:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060811/wl_afp/britainusattacksairlinephilippinesplot


I'm not scared of flights, i'm pissed off this shit even hit the news, they shouldnt parade this stuff, now i have to wait hours on heathrow, and on flights to the US i cant even take liquids, and before that i had to put laptops in suitcases!! You have any idea how airport personal lob suitcases around ?
Ah well, excuse my airpost frustration, i'm just sick of waiting in their lines

Yeah, they actually were able to mix an explosive on board the plane in the bathroom. The problem was that doing this they couldn't not make the bombs strong enough to blow up a plane. The bomb went off and killed one person that was close to the blast, but the plane landed safely.

 

[gick]

Yeah, they actually were able to mix an explosive on board the plane in the bathroom. The problem was that doing this they couldn't not make the bombs strong enough to blow up a plane. The bomb went off and killed one person that was close to the blast, but the plane landed safely.

You wouldnt need to blow up the plane, just punch a hole in the side and let decompression do the rest.

 

[No Limit]

You wouldnt need to blow up the plane, just punch a hole in the side and let decompression do the rest.

But planes are built a lot stronger than you think. As said, one of those bombs did go off and it killed a person but it did not blow a hole in the plane nor do any other extremely serious damage that would have caused it to crash.

 

[15357]

So what would you use to melt it? You can't exactly build a lab on a plane.

The thing is, no one-bottle explosive that you can make in a bathroom is powerful enough to destroy a passenger jet.


I suggest using liters of gasoline, pouring them on the cockpit door, setting it on fire.

That would work much better than the 'explosives'.

 

[63]

Or you could have tons of buttsecks, swallow a knife conveniently placed inside a plastic container, and simply shit it out in the washroom. Now you can stab the plane until if finally gives in and explodes.

 

[No Limit]

The thing is, no one-bottle explosive that you can make in a bathroom is powerful enough to destroy a passenger jet.


I suggest using liters of gasoline, pouring them on the cockpit door, setting it on fire.

That would work much better than the 'explosives'.

The fact you know all this scares the shit out of me. But thanks for explaining it, I really don't know much about this stuff.

So that still leaves the question, why is our government making such a huge deal out of this right before midterm elections?

 

[mortiz]

A plane wouldn't crash just because it's got a (relatively) small hole in the side. Decompression alone isn't enough to crash a plane. To crash/destroy a plane you'd need a rather large explosive.

 

[Angry Lawyer]

Pfft, explosives. Just wait until Terrorists start smuggling Snakes on board.

D:

-Angry Lawyer

 

[Max35]

I really need to see that movie, or so I've been told.

 

[Ome_Vince]

Or you could have tons of buttsecks, swallow a knife conveniently placed inside a plastic container, and simply shit it out in the washroom. Now you can stab the plane until if finally gives in and explodes.

Yeah, though you first need to destroy its shield generators, then stab it till its health is 0%.