China GDP to overtake USA in 2020s

[satch919]

Why would I reasearch something I believe not to be true? If you don't think burden of proof is on the accuser, well, I guess we have nothing to talka bout.

You wouldn't research it out of fear that I might be right. You were hoping that I wouldn't come up with the evidence.

I never said that I don't believe in the burden of proof. I just said that given the resources available to you, you could also benefit from looking it up yourself. You're just putting words in my mouth.

 

[Bodacious]

You wouldn't research it out of fear that I might be right. You were hoping that I wouldn't come up with the evidence.

Hehe, ok, whatever. What does the future hold? Will I win the lottery?

I never said that I don't believe in the burden of proof. I just said that given the resources available to you, you could also benefit from looking it up yourself. You're just putting words in my mouth.

You would rather me look stuff up than take the time to prove your claims. That says to me that you either don't care or are wrong.

 

[PvtRyan]

BULLSHIT! What if your job had been outsourced? These jerkoff companies don't want to pay people decent wages so that the CEOs and managers can make tons of money. Its about the all mighty dollar, not about improving the economy. If these dumbass politicians had balanced the budget and the economy, we wouldn't be in this position. Americans need jobs, not some guy over in India. Shouldn't we come first?

It's only a temporary solution anyway. Chinse labor may still be cheaper now, but the more you move to it, they more they'll want to earn. It's not a long run solution.

 

[satch919]

Hehe, ok, whatever. What does the future hold? Will I win the lottery?




You would rather me look stuff up than take the time to prove your claims. That says to me that you either don't care or are wrong.

You feel threatened so you go with the cheap shots huh? Nice. There is no fortune telling, only educated guesses.

Like I said earlier, people tend to learn more when they do things for themselves. However, since you've shown me that you're not capable of doing such a simple task, I provided the links for you. Its not that I don't care or that I'm wrong, I just didn't have the time to go browsing around on the net.

I edited my last post but this is just in case you didn't see it.

Here's your sources regarding poor treatment of workers.

http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/sweatshops/nike/faq.html

http://www.mcspotlight.org/case/index.html

http://members.aol.com/walmopboy/abuse/strl.htm

http://www.legalnewswatch.com/news_453.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/12/national/main673677.shtml

There's more and all you have to do is look.

I have a personal story to tell. I worked at Sam's Club for a year. During that time, I saw many employees get screwed. I got screwed as well.

When I first started, they made it sound like they offered all these kinds of benefits. On its face, it looked good. However, further reading told me that it cost X amount to buy into these options. Now, with the money that I was making, there was absolutely no way I could afford it. Now, Wal-Mart and Sam's Club makes tens of billions of dollars a year. http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/stories/2005/02/14/daily46.html With that kind of income, they can't even give their employees proper benefits or coverage? The few at the top are the one's who are benefitting. Want more evidence?

http://www.aflcio.org/corporateamerica/walmart/walmart_3.cfm

Those people aren't the only cases either. Its in every Wal-Mart and Sam's Club.

Check this out:

http://www.aflcio.org/corporateamerica/ns02112005.cfm

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/cpress/20050209/ca_pr_on_bu/que_wal_mart_2

Wal-Mart would rather close their stores than let a union into their stores. Thats low.

This is the kind of crap that happens in private industry.

 

[bliink]

I guess we have nothing to talka bout.

No Limit, if are replying to anything I said, you are on ignore, so don't expect anything from me.

So, you have people you think you're arguing against on ignore, and you refuse to talk to other people, yet you still think its ok to argue and fight in this thread?

Hmm.. that sounds like trolling!

Why are you even posting in this thread anyway? just to fight?

Please understand that every action will cause an opposite and equal reaction.
Next time, its 4 points.

 

[KoreBolteR]

So, you have people you think you're arguing against on ignore, and you refuse to talk to other people, yet you still think its ok to argue and fight in this thread?

Hmm.. that sounds like trolling!

Why are you even posting in this thread anyway? just to fight?

Please understand that every action will cause an opposite and equal reaction.
Next time, its 4 points.

busy night bliink ?

back to the topic.. yeah i basically think china, and a number of countries will econmically improve drastically, therefor it wont be war for land or power in the future, it will be for the natural recources, food and drink of the Earth. the winner = survives.

sounds like ants imo. :rolling:

 

[kirovman]

There are predictions about in the future, China will become more hungry for resources (including land) and their current territory will be overstreched.

They may decide to invade neighbouring nations, for example resource rich Siberia in Russia.
Their are a lot of Chinese people in East Russia, so the Chinese government will have not much trouble persuding people that these people belong to China (much like their Tibet strategy- apparently Tibetians are one nation of many Chinese nations-not seperate from China. The main chinese nation being Han Chinese). Historically China is well known for flooding neighbouring nations, 'outbreeding' them (for lack of a better word) and ultimately these territories become Chinese -see Tibet, Xinjiang, Outer Mongolia. The Koreas are quite "lucky" to be independent today.

Their may also be a lot of island disputes between them and Japan, which could get quite heated.

A possible balancing of power may come from India in the south, who are also on the way up the economical ladder (albeit 10 - 20 years behind China)

 

[GhostFox]

There are predictions about in the future, China will become more hungry for resources (including land) and their current territory will be overstreched.

They may decide to invade neighbouring nations, for example resource rich Siberia in Russia.

The Bear and the Dragon anyone? (Actually a well thought out and written book)

 

[kirovman]

The Bear and the Dragon anyone? (Actually a well thought out and written book)

That certainly springs to mind, I'm a big fan of Tom Clancy books.

It was well researched and thought out, but I still found a few inconsistencies (when I read it, can't remember exactly, now), but I really enjoyed that book.

I have since read more opinions about the need for China's expansion.

 

[kmack]

Why would I reasearch something I believe not to be true? If you don't think burden of proof is on the accuser, well, I guess we have nothing to talka bout.

Because ignorance is bliss? If you don't expose yourself to the alternate arguments facts you have nothing to fear? If you simply deny things you do not believe you have no chance of ever being wrong. Just like denying to believe that the earth revolves around the sun, if you don't research it because you don't believe it is true, you will never see anything but what you believe. If that is truly how you think, you should never attempt a debate. To be successful in debate you must completely understand both sides of the argument, its debating 101.

The problem at hand is that we are going to outsource far too much to China, and eventually we are going to lose what few exports we have. The problem we have now is that we import to much and export to little, the stability we have is in a very delicate balance, as we continue to do this, the value of the dollar is going to drop, its going to be harder and harder to afford imports, and since we have outsourced everything, we wont be able to export as efficiently because other, cheaper countries will have filled the holes we leave in the market.

 

[GhostFox]

I have since read more opinions about the need for China's expansion.

I have as well. Apparently Clancy got the idea (so I have heard) after reading an article about the need to China's expansion and Russia being the most obvious target. While the book was fictional, Clancy did a fairly good job of describing the events that could cause China to make a strike at Russia.

 

[Rupertvdb]

I've been to China for a 3 month work placement, i was writing for a magazine in Shanghai, the commercial heart of China it could argued.

The expats there give me more than enough reason to believe this could be true. There are some very rich people out there and they are getting richer. The investors are pouring in and the opportunities available are astronomic.

The main thing that could hurt China's future is the Chinese government. If anyone is going to prevent the economic growth from being managed in the best way possible it shall be the corrupt officials and shady practices.

 

[Pesmerga]

Alexander the Great once anologized China as a sleeping giant, to rise to the sky when it was awoken.

 

[kirovman]

Alexander the Great once anologized China as a sleeping giant, to rise to the sky when it was awoken.

I thought that was Napoleon?

Something about it's a sleeping giant, best leave it undisturbed.

 

[bliink]

I thought that was Napoleon?

I thought that was russia... and that is was a sleeping bear

 

[kirovman]

I thought that was russia... and that is was a sleeping bear

http://www.ravenhill.org/sleepgnt.htm

Solemnly and slowly, with his index finger extended, Napoleon Bonaparte outlined a great stretch of country on a map of the world. "There," he growled, "is a sleeping giant. Let him sleep! If he wakes, he will shake the world." That sleeping giant was China. Today, Bonaparte's prophecy of some one hundred and fifty years ago makes sense.

But I found some other pages that show he remarked it was a sleeping bear.

http://csis.pace.edu/~varden/china.html

Napoleon Bonaparte was said to have remarked that "China is like a sleeping bear. Let her sleep, for when she wakes the Earth will move."

I couldn't find anything about Alexander the Great saying it though.

 

[kmack]

Those quotes are both in relation to the famed outdoorsman Grizzly Adams, both Napolean and Alexander wisely avoided his wrath.

But, seriously, I read The Bear and the Dragon (the friggen thing is longer than a dictionary) and enjoyed it, kinda scary because when China outgrows itself, they are going to make a move on Russia, that is only if they outgrow themselves though.